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#1 Dec 12 2012 at 1:41 PM Rating: Decent
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I know to some this might seem a ridiculous question, and to others they may not want to give up the "Sweet" spots.. But i'm having a difficult time with money right now. I just came back a week ago so I've NO idea where one goes to make gil nowadays.

I have BST and THF leveled to 99, with DNC at 49 for a subjob.

Any help would be much appreciated!
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Sent you a PM with my method these days.

A less secretive one that's good for BST/DNC is farming Dynamis solo. A BST/DNC can get anywhere from 15-30 coins in a 1-2 hour session in Dynamis solo, depending on luck (and a little bit of practice.)
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catwho wrote:
Sent you a PM with my method these days.

A less secretive one that's good for BST/DNC is farming Dynamis solo. A BST/DNC can get anywhere from 15-30 coins in a 1-2 hour session in Dynamis solo, depending on luck (and a little bit of practice.)


15-30 coins? Should an average bst/dnc be getting 150-180?
#4Olorinus, Posted: Dec 12 2012 at 4:36 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) she said in a half hour...
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TribalProphet wrote:
catwho wrote:
Sent you a PM with my method these days.

A less secretive one that's good for BST/DNC is farming Dynamis solo. A BST/DNC can get anywhere from 15-30 coins in a 1-2 hour session in Dynamis solo, depending on luck (and a little bit of practice.)


15-30 coins? Should an average bst/dnc be getting 150-180?


Maybe doing Tav with the zone to yourself o.O I have trouble pushing 120 solo. But 15-30? What are you doing wrong...
#6Olorinus, Posted: Dec 12 2012 at 5:21 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) she said in a half hour... also, I would not say 150-180 is what an average" bst/dnc would get you're only going to get that many with pretty excellent gear and zero or very little competition.
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Olorinus wrote:
TikkaofLakshmi wrote:
TribalProphet wrote:
catwho wrote:
Sent you a PM with my method these days.

A less secretive one that's good for BST/DNC is farming Dynamis solo. A BST/DNC can get anywhere from 15-30 coins in a 1-2 hour session in Dynamis solo, depending on luck (and a little bit of practice.)


15-30 coins? Should an average bst/dnc be getting 150-180?


Maybe doing Tav with the zone to yourself o.O I have trouble pushing 120 solo. But 15-30? What are you doing wrong...


she said in a half hour... also, I would not say 150-180 is what an average" bst/dnc would get you're only going to get that many with pretty excellent gear and zero or very little competition.

I usually get around 100 coins in a session if I'm not waiting on repops too much. I'd say I'm more average than exceptional. I'm not particularly terrible but I could definitely have some better bits of armor etc.


I believe the confusion lies in the fact that she wrote "1-2" hour session, with the dash implying that she was working within a one to two hour period of time. If it was "1/2" instead of "1-2" that would have been much clearer, especially considering that within the same sentence she went on to use a dash for implying range (15-20) as opposed to division.
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#8 Dec 12 2012 at 5:50 PM Rating: Good
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Olorinus wrote:
she said in a half hour...
So what's 15 divided by 30? She ranged the hours like she ranged the coins.
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oh I read it as half an hour... gee I'm blind... yes that is very low.
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#10 Dec 12 2012 at 6:39 PM Rating: Default
Olorinus wrote:
TikkaofLakshmi wrote:
TribalProphet wrote:
catwho wrote:
Sent you a PM with my method these days.

A less secretive one that's good for BST/DNC is farming Dynamis solo. A BST/DNC can get anywhere from 15-30 coins in a 1-2 hour session in Dynamis solo, depending on luck (and a little bit of practice.)


15-30 coins? Should an average bst/dnc be getting 150-180?


Maybe doing Tav with the zone to yourself o.O I have trouble pushing 120 solo. But 15-30? What are you doing wrong...


she said in a half hour... also, I would not say 150-180 is what an average" bst/dnc would get you're only going to get that many with pretty excellent gear and zero or very little competition.

I usually get around 100 coins in a session if I'm not waiting on repops too much. I'd say I'm more average than exceptional. I'm not particularly terrible but I could definitely have some better bits of armor etc.

Idk about the excellent gear honestly, I have decent gear nothing great or special and I usually pull in 150+ each run, you just have to jump in and get to "work" to maximize how much you make in currency each run,
#11 Dec 12 2012 at 9:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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Olorinus wrote:
also, I would not say 150-180 is what an average" bst/dnc would get you're only going to get that many with pretty excellent gear and zero or very little competition.

I usually get around 100 coins in a session if I'm not waiting on repops too much. I'd say I'm more average than exceptional. I'm not particularly terrible but I could definitely have some better bits of armor etc.


I was getting 150 or so when I was a weird mix of perle/+1 armor. Once I got all +2 (with brego gloves) and got my two -11% pet pdt axes done I got 180 a run unless the competition was overwhelming.

One thing that helps is to be prepared to do different zones if the one you usually do is so packed that it's not a matter of "competition" anymore and is just about "wasting time trying to outclaim a crowd". Having a rhythm for one zone is good, but having a rhythm for all three cop zones is great.
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Dynamis as BST/DNC DNC/THF THF/DNC really is the cats **** for current money. a 2 hour session can net you a cool 700K, and that can be done every day. (being conservative @ 100 Currencies, more often you will see over 100 on a bad day.) Figure 5 days of farming dynamis gives you 3.5Mil a week thats good income for casual play, and a good purse to have for the weekend when you have higher hours.

If you have a higher playtime, you can add other events to a schedule to make money, such as Limbus (ABC's sell still but not as fast as Dynamis Currency). As well as a plethora of other "currency" type items in various repeatable events, voidwatch, abyssea, woe.

Essentially look for repeatable content that consumes little time and has a high demand item in return. Dynamis is the best, because everyone wants to have a Relic.
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#13 Dec 13 2012 at 3:10 AM Rating: Good
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You will have a hard time selling BST or THF but go to every Qilin VW NM shout you see. A Heavy Metal Purse is an instant 850K.

If you play during JP hours see if theres an active Walk Of Echos zone that you can try and not die in.

But yeah, farm Dynamis every day.
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Exactly, no big secret. Voidwatch. Made over 15 mil in the last month just doing voidwatch. I dont partake in any other farming, bores the **** out of me.

The hands from the T4 Jeuno Beetle still sell for 1,5 mil, Brawny Adargas are still 2 mil, Jingang Greatsword around a mil, most other weapon armor drops that can be sold around that 500k-1mil mark too. AH-able weapons and armor drop regularly. Pulse Cells are rare but 5-6 mil each.

Heavy Metal Plates can be sold for 100k overnight, or 90 if you want to sell them instantly (why would you, it's a guaranteed sell, even at 120k over a few days).

And you can always use the Cruor from it to brew a NM in Abyssea that drops something good and exciting. Maybe even merc a Caturae for his drops, or Merc Shinryu.

It doesnt take rocket science to find something profitable in this game. Most basic level <20 crafts have them, most common monsters have items in demand too for consumables. But you cant expect people to just hand you their idea's and suggestions. Do a little research, maybe even find random players on FFXIAH and see what they have been selling themselves for gil. Tons of options available.

And if all fails, you could even play the AH. Buy things that are massively undercut that you know you can NPC for higher amounts of gil.
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I don't use the BST/DNC for Dynamis money method. When I did, there was so much **** competition that getting 30 coins in 1 hour was pretty good.

Has competition died down? Can I actually claim mobs now? Smiley: laugh If so, then yeah 100 is probably a much better estimate for 2 hours.
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Let me post a guide I made for a friend who went, "but I'm broke!". You know who you are. I'm updating this here for post cru nerf..
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Gilmaking in a post Abyssea World
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I started this when a friend of mine came back (you know who you are) and actually said that! Said person is afraid of the gil mountains you have to climb now a days.

...As most of you are aware, it's easier to climb these gil mountains than you think. I won't give away all my secrets, some you'll have to think about because I'm going to be pretty vague here. Rather not lose my gilmakers by ratting on them specifically but hopefully I can help someone out here.


Anyway, lemme go though the possibilities of making gil. Also a few tips, NEVER put your gilmaking all in one basket; multiple ways are best. FFXI AH should be your friend, and don't forget stuff you can NPC; that can at least pay for food/meds.

1. Farming Stuff People Don't Farm Anymore; Clusters are ok gil. So are certain scrolls that are used to proc in abyssea. Get say, a AM or some IV spells off a mob and you've made yourself a cool 200k. And oh yes, if it's scrolls, I suggest you farm somewhere you can get some npcables too; that's quick gil :)
2. Farming NPCables in aby; Dark rings I hear are worth a lot of money if you get them from gold chests in aby. I've heard of people who funded relics this way...
3. “NPCing the Colbri Feathers” – You'll prolly ask, “Eli, what the frick do you mean?” What I mean is using stuff you get from merit/xp parties to get stuff to NPC. So this means; weapons you get from Heroes zones that you can get from a npc...all that kinda stuff. (Sadly blinkers to gil isn't as good anymore)
4. Dynamis stuff ; I think most know about this one. Currency is worth a nice amount of gil (if you don't plan on a relic weap), so are the new upgrade items for AF2. I made a lot of gil from dyn tho yeah, I need to get so I can solo in there better :D
5. Farming and Crafting; If you get a craft up all the way, great. Maybe you got a way to mint gil if you're smart about it. The trick is you really want some things that you can easily profit on the NQ with. (Some crafters are going to look at me funny for that) Why? HQ things are no way to make a living in FFXI. Getting hqs is really random and you can't always control WHEN you'll get a hq; you can go though a whole stack of mats and only get 1. Which isn't good. Also, if you got time to farm mats, that can help profits as well; BUT ONLY IF YOU HAVE THE TIME. Anyway, check ah, check costs, if you can find something you can make that gives good profits and sells frequently, go for it.
6. Fishing and NPCing the catch; As a cook this INFURIATES me when I go look for fish (and I'm considering taking up fishing myself), but I know people fund relics with this. Heck, I heard of one guy who funded 3 relics with fishing and npcing the catch. Check around and see which fish give you the best time to gil ratio. ^^
7. Selling Stuff From Brown Chests from GoV; Ah yes. Sometimes there's junk in there, but sometimes there's stuff that can sell for a pretty penny. (cells come to mind if you don't do Voidwatch)
8. Selling Stuff You Don't Need from Voidwatch – I know, that event can be quite infuriating. But I've gotten two rancor collars (I keep my tonberry hate low, dangnabbit, that's useless to me!) and that's worth a bit. It's random as bleep, so don't feel obligated to voidwatch. It's more like icing on the cake when you actually get something good and you don't need it.
9. Being a Merc; Yes this still can work. I've heard of people when easy brews first came out actually selling a brewing service. (I don't think that'd work anymore) Just check for a opportunity and pounce.
10. Selling Teles/Retrace/D2 while watching shouts; Old method, still viable. Used to be better at one point because you could shoutsell, but if you're doing something like watching shouts or crafting in Jueno and someone wants a Tele Dem, there's some spare gil for you.
11. HELMing; Most people don't try to do this, but there is money to be had, especially with new items. Make sure you use a job that can cast its own s/i and reraise and go for it. Oh and do your research. Obviously things like mining gold ore no longer works (argh gold drops from Voidwatch) so don't do this blindly.
12. Selling Imp Coins; IS is dearer now but there is still a demand for imperial currency. Heck there proly will be as long as the game is up because of mog lockers. So do a few Besiged's and get a stack or two to sell.
13. Doing Limbus and selling Ancient Beastcoins – I think this is self explanatory. Quite a bit of the old standbys for coin gear are still good..that's why this works..
14. BCNMs and such fights; I don't think I need to explain this much either. Best gil is from bcs you can either solo or do with no more than three people tho imo; less to share unless you're doing your go/your orb your drop.
15. Selling Abyssea Pop Items; Check the AH. Some pop items take a while to farm, and people are lazy and will pay like 200k each for 'em. Need I say more?
16. Avatars/Quests; If you kill the 6 primes, that's 60k a day. Solo a puppeh and it's more. Need I go on? Also there's quests ya can do for some gil; I know my brother relied on one to get over a mil once. However it's kinda tedious. ^^
17. Gardening – No, I don't mean ore. (Ore is not profitable anymore) There are some cooking mats that are profit if you can get them consistently. Get some cheap pots, check FFXI Wiki for directions, and give it a try. Oh and if you remember the wildgrass thing; if you farm your crystals it still works for med gil, tho don't try wildgrass if you buy your crystals. (Well, unless you're raising a bird..)
18. Selling Chocobo Cards/Chocobo Racing/Chocobo stuff; If you raised a bird and it's colored, great. Sometimes you can sell a card from that bird for someone wanting to raise a bird for a few k. Also if you got a racer, you can sometimes win some nice gil at the races. I don't know though how well chocobo digging does anymore though since I never bothered leveling it..proly not so hot.

As you can see, no one is totally helpless making gil. Oh and last thing to say, be patient. Gil making takes time. It can take more time than xping as a matter of fact now a days. But totally worth it. :)
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#17 Dec 13 2012 at 11:46 AM Rating: Excellent
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I don't use the BST/DNC for Dynamis money method. When I did, there was so much **** competition that getting 30 coins in 1 hour was pretty good.

Has competition died down? Can I actually claim mobs now? Smiley: laugh If so, then yeah 100 is probably a much better estimate for 2 hours.


Yeah I don't know if these people saying 150-180 are on dead servers or what. Every time I even look at dyna every zone has at least 12 people in it, and there is always one mob (griffs, birds etc) that there is so overcamped that half of it's JA time there isn't even one up, cause they are respawning.

I'm not wearing perle/aurore, have full gear haste and a decent amount of double/etc attack (no merit WS though because I'm choosing to use those on other jobs). I know my gear isn't the best of the best but it isn't bad and I feel good when I can pull 100 in an hour.

I tried doing DC but the kill time increased so much the fact that there was less competition wasn't much of a consolation.

Maybe people are rocking Tav? Cause bubu/vulk/quifim are always crowded these days. It's one of the reasons I took a month break, after the cruor nerf there has never been a time when dyna isn't packed. Even cities have someone farming them.

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You stated the reason that you are pulling maybe 100 instead of 150. No merit WS. The difference between Rampage and 5/5 Ruinator is huge. Your don't think using a WS that does 3k+ every time will increase kill speed as compared to one that does 1200-ish? The increase in kill speed from that alone could net you another 50 coins over a 2 hour period EASILY. Considering a proc'ed mob usually drops 2-3 coins, we're only talking an extra 17-25 kills over 2 hours to close that 50 coin gap. Doubling your WS damage can surely amount to that many extra kills during that time.

I get 140-170 usually, always doing Valkurm. There are usually 10+ people in zone, often as many as 20 on my server, so no...you don't need an empty zone to get good results. Sure, the Hippo camp is stupidly crowded from 8:00-16:00. That's why you should - brace yourself - go kill something else instead of fighting for pulls! Gasp! Don't be afraid of DC camps, and cycle NMs into your rotation (they occasionally drop a 100-piece).


Also, lol @ ppl "funding a relic" by farming Dark Rings in Abyssea. Nobody has done that, ever. What are they, 7k each or something? Plus they don 't stack, so you'd need to leave Aby to sell them, come back and start all over building lights again. A relic costs roughly 150M. Nobody funded that by selling Dark Rings. I don 't know who Eli "heard" had done that, but pffftt.

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Also, lol @ ppl "funding a relic" by farming Dark Rings in Abyssea. Nobody has done that, ever. What are they, 7k each or something?
32-34k.
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I know; people actually did that before blinkers were well known. I heard someone in one of my shells doing that! (they actually asked for the rings so they could fund their relic)

Not that I'd do it. Rather stick to farming + cooking, with dynamis and VW along with it. ^^
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Also, lol @ ppl "funding a relic" by farming Dark Rings in Abyssea. Nobody has done that, ever. What are they, 7k each or something?
32-34k.



OK. Still, at that price you're talking about farming like 4,500 of an item that doesn't stack and requires building lights every time you enter the zone to even have a **chance** at one showing up in a chest. Come on. NOBODY has ever funded a relic this way. lol
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Your don't think using a WS that does 3k+ every time will increase kill speed as compared to one that does 1200-ish? The increase in kill speed from that alone could net you another 50 coins over a 2 hour period EASILY.


The problem with this is:

a) I already have to take my pet off some mobs and turn around to try and proc mobs before I kill them at times, especially some of the squishier EP. I've thought sometimes that it would be better not to even bother but it sucks when there is competition and you kill without proc and get nothing at all, so I usually hold for proc if that happens.

It obviously doesn't happen every time but probably about 7% of the time.

b) Killing faster doesn't help when you are waiting for repops.

Now, that said, I fully acknowledge that realmrazer would help some, but I'm not seeing how it would increase my output by 50 coins given the natural constraints of the zone. Fact is, doesn't matter how fast I kill stuff if there isn't anything available to kill. Maybe if it gave me enough of an edge to go DC, but given the huge cut that my pet's damage output would take just from changing from EP to DC, I am not sure that would even out. I'd love to see some math.

I also don't generally hold more than one mob at a time (purposefully) so that may be what is slowing me down? Seems like every other **** in the zone is killing 3 at once. I just think it is rude.



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If you are spamming steps/flourishes/spur/ready, you should almost never have a mob die before it is proc'ed. You do get all 5 TE's, right? I usually achieve proc while mob is still over 50% HP, so yeah, Ruinator allows me to put that one to bed more quickly than Rampage. Even if you just save 2-3 seconds per mob, it adds up over the course of 2 hours.

As far as holding multiple mobs, the efficient way to farm is to spam JA's on a mob until it procs, at which point you Snarl emnity onto pet and let the pet finish killing it while you move on to the next mob and begin trying to proc it. If you get lucky and things proc quickly, then yes, you could end up with 3-4 mobs at once. Again though, with proper damage output you won't be holding them for long.

As far as the DC camps, sure it takes a little longer to kill them, but I find an empty DC camp usually yeilds more currency than an overcamped EP camp. Would uou rather kill DCs slowly, or stand around waiting for EPs to pop and get fight others for claims?

If DCs are too much for you to handle (in which case there are other problems that need to be addressed), you can always use the EP Beastmen as an alternative if the EP Nightmare camps are overcrowded. Learn how to quickly tell which beastmen are which jobs, and which jobs are JA proc. example: all the Hippos are taken and the camp is flooded w/ Falcorrs? Pull the Orcs RIGHT NEXT TO that camp while you watch for more Hippos to pop. Always be fighting something. No downtime is the goal.

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Yes, I get all TEs.

I can handle the DCs, as in I don't die, but they tend to take so long it never seems worth it.

I do indeed spam steps, flourishes, spur (never seen spur proc - it doesn't target the monster- not sure it can- but I use it out of habit anyway), ready, AND primal howl (which does proc mobs) and there are just some times that I get unlucky (I believe each JA action has a 20% chance with all TEs).

I mostly have that problem with stuff like flies and bombs that seems to go down a lot faster. Out of curiosity, are ready moves that hit more than one target able to proc more than 1 target? Or just the main target? Wondering, cause I've never seen it happen.

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Yeah, spur doesn't proc, but it allows you to use Ready more often, so it still increases chances to proc sooner. I'm not sure about AoE Ready moves proc'ing multiple targets. I've never seen it happen either.



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Yeah, spur doesn't proc, but it allows you to use Ready more often, so it still increases chances to proc sooner. I'm not sure about AoE Ready moves proc'ing multiple targets. I've never seen it happen either.


I've had Dipper Yuly's Noisome Powder proc multiple targets at once many times.
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Yeah, spur doesn't proc, but it allows you to use Ready more often, so it still increases chances to proc sooner. I'm not sure about AoE Ready moves proc'ing multiple targets. I've never seen it happen either.


I've had Dipper Yuly's Noisome Powder proc multiple targets at once many times.


Thanks! Interesting to know. Too bad dipper is a weaker DD than falcor and more expensive to boot.
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The lady bug is weaker but I find her evasion to be superior. If I'm left alone I'll grab 4 or 5 mobs and spam my procs along with her Noisome powder then snarl. She can handle a gaggle of things swining at her because it turns into a wiff fest. Leavin me free to proc other things or murder them.

I thought of another way to make money on BST. Last night I did the KCNM fight (30 Kindred crest orb) for the Fracas Grenade (600K) and it also drops the Fervor ring (150K).

I did two runs and got Ring 1st and Grenade 2nd. I kept the Grenade for my DRK but you could make a bit of money off of this. Only costs 1 Gooey Gerard and Two pet foods( maybe one if you had better pet damage taken gear than I do).
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Ladybugs get a stats boost in the daytime, particularly evasion.
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