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#27 Nov 11 2012 at 8:37 AM Rating: Good
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Look, the whole benevolent trolling for the good of community vitality argument falls flat on his face when you start saying Rog was a good influence. He wasn't. He was the type of person that would insult someone five times before getting around to even addressing their questions. If that generated a lot of activity, then 90% of it was confusing and outrage that Rog was being such a frickin tool.
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#28 Nov 11 2012 at 1:56 PM Rating: Good
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So let me get this straight...

Because there is no drama, "because there are no sh*t posters", and because there is no one around to belittle those sh*t posters, this place is worse off?

Thats like, the definition of being an anarchist right there. And who knows, maybe you're one of those people that thinks anarchy and chaos is a "cool" thing... but its certainly not. I, for one, don't need drama, or sh*t posters, of flame wars to be satisfied. Based on the way things went down, a majority of the forum users agree.


And another thing--this isn't some super secret gang, where in order to become a member of the community, you need to have joined a flame war, trolled, and got burned. This is a group of people discussing the ins and outs of a videogame. Nothing more. All you have to do is play the game (not even that really...) to be a member of the community. If you want that kind of excitement, find yourself a local gang to join. They'll probably have some "jump in" process where they get to beat you up for like 10 minutes, in order to officially become a member of the gang. Then you can go out and "troll" the world at large, and see how well that works out for you. :)

I suggest you honestly ask yourself if drama and trolling was good for the forum as a whole, or just good for you. Otherwise, thats just being selfish.


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#29 Nov 11 2012 at 3:01 PM Rating: Default
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Baqst, I say!


BAQST!


#30 Nov 11 2012 at 4:17 PM Rating: Excellent
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Its not your fault Vlor. The Circle Jerk did this not you doing your job. I know you remember the dust up. The result was a glaring victory by the cicle jerk. They established that it was ok to be an @#%^, as long as you were an @#%^ to the right people. I even tested this system by trolling Rog and I saw my post rating go from negative to positive. It established the collective, and it was achieved in a series of threads centering around 2 parties calling each other names. Not just one party. It exploded into a discussion on just what is considered bad form. Can anyone click the report button and it becomes bad form.

Not that I wish to rehash a buried issue, just reminding everyone (and introducing people to) the event and scenario that began the downward spiral of the amount of content on the sight, the amount of socializing on the site, and the amount of information exchanged on the site. Ive personally met a lot of good people here, from all sides of the internet ethics divide.

The members that cared already left, they stopped posting because their time was over. You are left with a handful of people who still post here out of habit, loyalty, friendships, post counts, and a pile of new people. Who post their questions, get their answers, and move on, usually to the Wiki, where we all send new folks to learn the game, because of the lack of sh*t posting there is not social aspect to the community. **** even 10K is more or less dead, and I can't be assed to post in it because I don't give a @#%^ anymore.

I was just answering a dudes question, that was the break point for the forum, its resident sh*t poster is gone and the threads that developed our community with him.
(just like I said would happen.)

I wasn't wishing to raise questions to the strictness (or lack there of) of moderation...just an old troll typing out words remembering the good times.


Cheer up.

For some people it truly is the end of the world...

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The saddest thing about last night was that the servers were so unstable half the people couldn't even participate in the final battle.

I made it back in around 2AM and valiently fought with a team to get to the elite squadron at the center of Casa Nostrum, but my server was so R0-ey that we just didn't have the numbers to defeat the Empire. Smiley: frown
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#33 Nov 12 2012 at 2:21 AM Rating: Good
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So let me get this straight...

Because there is no drama, "because there are no sh*t posters", and because there is no one around to belittle those sh*t posters, this place is worse off?


No I said because there is no sh*t posters this place is worse off.


What? I just said that's what you said. o_0

Also, dunno where you deduced that I think I think anyone who asks questions is a sh*t poster. He'll, I've asked plenty of questions around here before... never said anything like that. My definition of a sh*t poster would be someone where the forum would just be better off if they didnt post at all.

And, are you saying that threads that are healthy for the community come around less often because there are no sh*t posters anymore? Because that just sounds like... backwards logic to me. *shrug*
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#34 Nov 12 2012 at 7:51 AM Rating: Decent
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And, are you saying that threads that are healthy for the community come around less often because there are no sh*t posters anymore? Because that just sounds like... backwards logic to me. *shrug*


That is exactly what I am saying. **** posting keeps forums healthy. I mean who is the white knight circle jerk supposed to crusade against without their **** posters? They don't have anyone so they go to the drama fueled official forums so they can be internet forum heroes there.
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#35 Nov 12 2012 at 9:45 AM Rating: Good
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If I may, I think this thread illustrates perfectly what the "problem" is. The OP was a silly, whimsical, Happy Friday thread meant to give us all a little chuckle and perhaps spur some funny responses. It instantly deteriorated into whining, arguing, and finger-pointing. WTF? Lighten up, people! Smile...it won't hurt!

#36 Nov 12 2012 at 9:55 AM Rating: Decent
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No, the OP posted a snippet from one of the most meme'd and epic lulz threads on this board, someone remarked that =10 had a marked lack of such threads lately and that the forum had become serious business, and it went from there.
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#37 Nov 12 2012 at 12:26 PM Rating: Decent
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Lionheartviii wrote:
So let me get this straight...

Because there is no drama, "because there are no sh*t posters", and because there is no one around to belittle those sh*t posters, this place is worse off?



No I said because there is no sh*t posters this place is worse off.


Hey how dare you count me out of that equation!

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As for the moon, I am very tempted to splice in footage of Fifth Element's ending fending it off and saving the planet.
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#39 Nov 12 2012 at 1:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'd say that the PUP forum here used to be one of the more lively and informative forums. Jinte and everyone else including Vlor schooling Zelduh on a daily basis made for good lulz and also provided some Excellent Information/Debate.

Zaolin* comes in threatens ban hammer and poof forum death. Did it get out of hand in there sure , were there Hard #'s discussion while it was out of hand Yes. Is there any real discussion there now No.

If the White Knights are right then where are they now? Lurking in the shadows waiting to dispense justice? I don't know where they are now that evil has been defeated but they aren't here promoting discussion and debate as it relates to FFXI. You White Knights saved Alla now you've abandoned it.

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#41 Nov 12 2012 at 3:02 PM Rating: Good
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More people will talk FFXI when FFXI has new stuff to talk about. Difficult concept, I know. Asylum's that way if you must thrive on unrelated jabber.

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#42 Nov 12 2012 at 3:33 PM Rating: Default
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Not by a wide enough margin. Difficult concept, I know.
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#43Dalans, Posted: Nov 12 2012 at 4:20 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) How many New Posts from a New Player sit unanswered for days if not weeks due to the White Knights efforts to rid the community of evil. Evil has been removed so now fill the void you have created and look into places other than =10. Though I believe we are a year too late.
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Dalans wrote:
How many New Posts from a New Player sit unanswered for days if not weeks due to the White Knights efforts to rid the community of evil. Evil has been removed so now fill the void you have created and look into places other than =10. Though I believe we are a year too late.


Er.... the only new posts that generally go unanswered are spam. I and many others make an effort to reply to genuine questions, even if the answer is not much more than "check the stickies."
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The problem isn't that they go unanswered, it's just that they don't become lasting members.
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...draining with sambas is kind of like you smack the thing and as you smack blood flies out... normally the blood would just you know fall and be red an what-not, but, with the samba your all whacked out and decide to drink the blood as it flys out. thus not adding MORE damage just taking more advantage of your damage. at least thats my take on it.
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Did someone call for FifthElement?
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#48 Nov 12 2012 at 6:11 PM Rating: Good
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How many New Posts from a New Player sit unanswered for days if not weeks due to the White Knights efforts to rid the community of evil. Evil has been removed so now fill the void you have created and look into places other than =10. Though I believe we are a year too late.


About 1 hour?

Almost every new post is answered soon. I certainly try to.

I wish there were less 500 post people though calling out those of us who have actually answered a lot of this posts. That's where the real White Knighting (aka d-baggery) has happened.

Or..."Hay guyz can we go back to 6 person parties with 200 exp/hour!!? cuz the game is so EZ mode now, that's why I'm still level 50 OMG!!!!11"
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More people will talk FFXI when FFXI has new stuff to talk about. Difficult concept, I know. Asylum's that way if you must thrive on unrelated jabber.

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Its not about talking about FFXI, in case you have not noticed there has been lots of FFXI talk in the last while. All in =10. What there has not been is community building threads. Threads which suffice it to say tend to be drama filled, and deeper discussion threads.

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How many New Posts from a New Player sit unanswered for days if not weeks due to the White Knights efforts to rid the community of evil. Evil has been removed so now fill the void you have created and look into places other than =10. Though I believe we are a year too late.


Er.... the only new posts that generally go unanswered are spam. I and many others make an effort to reply to genuine questions, even if the answer is not much more than "check the stickies."


This is pretty much accurate. Questions are answered, you can review the history by looking back several pages. The issue is that once the question is answered there is nothing really for these people to post about, until they have another question. They lack the knowledge to help others (because knowledge building threads are non existent, because everyone just links a wiki). so they can't answer questions, they don't have the "street" knowledge of how this community accepts people, (because there are no community building threads, be they drama or discussions.)

This forum dies because we don't have **** posters. Those select few who are able to rile people up and create community. Sadly it will be up to the new people to build their community, how they want it, and neither the circle jerk, nor anti circle jerk should have any say. But we should also not be so quick to slap new posters hands who want to try and fit in, and build their community. Everyone should grow a little thicker skin, and let the new posters feel the site out. Instead of telling them how to fit in, we should let them grow to fit in.

I dunno I don't think you can build community by dictating, the atmosphere discourages new posters from feeling out the place through good posting and **** posting, and joining our community, or developing their own. It is because of us old word slingers that this site dies, well not because of me...I don't give a ****, Ill post here regardless. Im just saying.


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