Your opinion on Haste II / New MarchFollow

I guess that's another job i can no longer use then... -_-


I'd REALLY hate it if they made it something exclusive to only a select elite few.

The reason Meteor for BLM is acceptable as a "trophy" spell is because it doesn't really matter to the functionality of the BLM.

March III, on the other hand, would quickly become the single most cast spell for a bard. Limiting it via a ridiculously low drop rate would be cruel to those of us who are no longer in HNMs and would have to buy it off the AH...

Ugh. 34 more colorless souls to go here. I was third in line for Apamadaks before my social shell decided to end Abyssea over the weekend. (A handful of us are going to try to low man the rest of our empys outside of the shell. Including the others who need Apamadak stuff. )

You're right. They should just dbox it to people so in 1 day we can go back to the situation we're in today.

I forgot, on =10, elite = bad.

Analogy would like a word with you. It's carrying Ebody and Neptunal legs and Head abjurations in it's left pockets.

It feels really left out these days since rare exclusivity was it's game day face from 2002-2010.

to balance out Haste II, it will be self cast only.

Ok good, there is a better argument. The fact that you have to pay more money for doing part of your job better (or at all) is not new to me. You career players should see this as something that differentiates you from "hay guyz I just got back into this game and luved RDM, can I take it to 99 tomorrow, oh goodie yes I can and immediatley start contributing as well as Rdmcandie/Seriha/<insert person who actually is good at and loves RDM"".

In other words you should agree that differentiation is good. You might not agree that doing so by rareness through expense, but that is where the onus is on you to suggest a better way to make it not immediately available to all players. For example, maybe an Inside the Belly type quest where you have to go enfeeble and survive by skill through 1,000 battles.

Will this make RDM more desired and useful? Dunno. Seems like anytime we find content that is difficult, an optimal solution is found, and that gets used, and then if some jobs don't like it they complain that there is "abuse" because their job isn't part of the optimal solution, so our nice things get taken away. If RDM happens to be part of that optimal solution, great by me. I have a 99 RDM character. If not, well it will probably be nerfed anyways due to complainers in the future who feel left out.

Eh, I don't mind somethings being rare... but I don't want to see BRD become a job that only uber-hardcore players are invited to play. Frankly, there is already more than enough stuff that is hardcore-only. BLM and WHM survived thier super-rare spells because the jobs are SO-NEEDED people aren't about to get uber-picky about them, but opportunities to play BRD are already limited - so locking most of the potential of the job behind

a) a super hard to get super-weapon (no other mage job needs a super-weapon to perform in the top tier)

b) an expensive/impossible to get spell

is a real kick to the teeth.

I understand people want to have things to attain, but I see that there is a lot of super difficult to get stuff in the game already. And when it gets to the point that most jobs are "locked" for casual players to use in mid-tier endgame content, it really destroys -my- will to play.

And I know the "hardcore" don't seem to realize that players like me, who only have say 10-15 hours a week to play are actually the ones carrying the game financially - but when a game starts locking the majority of their players out of the majority of content - it is going down a road to financial ruin. This isn't 2004 anymore. Players want to be able to play the jobs they enjoy and make progress in the game in a reasonable fashion...

Yet, even for middle tier/low upper tier voidwatch stuff a normal, casual, non-super-weapon player can't get expected to get invited on:

pup
rdm
pld
drk
war
cor
mnk
bst

prolly some other job I am forgetting about - but already you're shut out on a ton of jobs either because they aren't seen as useful (rdm/bst/pup - sometimes PLD) or because you are expected to have a hardcore weapon to participate.

And this is just voidwatch, which I see as content that was actually meant to be fairly casual friendly. Nevermind the rest of real endgame (NNI, N. Ein, Legion)

It's a little stupid to expect 1/2 to 3/4 of the player to only do outdated content and pay full price for it while being sneered at, no less.

Edited, Nov 7th 2012 10:01am by Olorinus

Not this again. There is such a thing as a middle ground. There's lots of numbers between 0 and 10 million. There's more ways to handle distribution than delivery box and 18 people fighting over a 6% drop. Why do things have to be one extreme or the other?

I'm ok with SE putting in stuff for the elite people to chase after, but I just don't agree with spells being among that stuff.

So much wrong being read. So much.

First off, you can't correlate spells to prestige WS. I know it's easy to do such because they're not native, but these technically aren't locked behind the same concept of rarity, but tedium. As long as you do at least 30 Briarius, you're like to get 50 helms. Do 50 Prov Watchers? You may never see Arise or Meteor.

Second is the fact that mages have always had to double dip into their funds for both spells and gear while melee just had focus on gear. I probably paid about 20m for my HQ staff set back in the day, and I only came about that through a nice streak crafting blood cuisses. Then you'd have people charging like 3m+ for Raise III or wanting an arm and a leg for other things like Phalanx or other BC only drops. Yes, SE was ******** mages through rarity even back then. They started at it again for the 95+ game.

Third, a WAR can still be a WAR without Ukkos or even Upheaval. The game progressively rewards the player with skill points that unlock things like Raging Rush and Rampage that certainly weren't bad WS in their times. There is no such equivalency for mages. There is no auto-cast function leaving them useful between castings. Hell, I'm the ******* poster child of trying to get mage melee brought up to a more acceptable level because the community otherwise has a **** fit when they do anything other than cast their spells. Plus the prestige weapons do **** all for actual mage progression, so it's not like that side of the game is designed fairly, either.

There are other nagging features like MP management that warrant a nod, but really, the whole, "Woe is me elite melee!" insinuation is a ******* farce at best. Mage classes can be annoying and tedious enough to play as is. There's a reason why support classes always seem to be in high demand. Burning out the few people who would take on those mantles for some faux sense of superiority is not healthy for the game. You want distinction? That's cool. Lemme kill Bri 30+ times again Enraep for my RDM. Toss enough reasonable challenges around like that and you'll eventually start distinguishing the casuals from the dedicated, but being casual doesn't mean you're not dedicated. They'll just have one or two jobs in prime condition compared to someone else's half dozen. And if that STILL bothers you, unbunch those panties and stop worrying so much about people you and your elite caste would never want to play with anyway. Christ, just seeing someone demand the Emp horn before they can play with you makes me wanna barf. I'm sure you'd be jumping hand over fist to help them get that.

I purposely didn't put brd in that list because in my experience, people don't expect an empy bard in pick up (I don't really know because outside of 1 kalustrax I've never gone above Jeuno T3 with BRD). But their shouts of R/M/E DD do suggest they expect emps/relics for other jobs.

And yes, I am aware with the might of the empy harp that for elite players to take me seriously I would need to be a 3 song brd (at least). I've accepted that I'll probably never be that.

That said, I'd be happy to do it, but it isn't exactly something a person can solo. So, I live with the fact that it just isn't going to happen.

That doesn't mean I want to be rendered even more gimp because SE seems to think that the game just isn't fun unless half the playerbase feels embarrassed about lacking key abilities for the jobs they like to play.

And Seriha is right to note that most people don't even WANT to play support. Locking support jobs behind walls of hardcoreness is nuts. Mage jobs used to be good starter jobs for people who wanted to work on aquiring key gear. With the direction things are going I feel like before long the only thing left for casuals to do will be to solo on BST.

Edited, Nov 7th 2012 1:59pm by Olorinus