We cause the nerfs. Stop being c*#ts...all of you.Follow

You can't compare the previous nerfs of the original dev team who moved on to FF14 to the current Dev team we have. These guys are actually active on the official forums and they have stated in those forums that they pay attention to other forums as well.

I think I have missrepresented my intent with my previous statements. I do think that PD and Embrava were gimicky and abusable.

My point is, who gives a ****? They worked.

We spent years wiping to Kirin, boosting for chi blast, farming millions for Lizzy boots and spent hours killing Crabs on beaches. Then the game flipped polarity to a world where people could cruor burn their way to fortunes or brew kill anything on BRD, it was easy mode and it sucked. Now, we were finally reaching a point where we had just the correct tools mixed with just enough randomness to have fun but still not get stiffed on drops in reasonably challenging events.

And people ran and told mom and dad that they left the liqour cabinet unlocked.

I don't play anymore. But, if I did, I would totally be your bro. Because you seem to be the only one that GETS IT.

Christ, this game is like a decade old. Can't we just stop getting slapped for having too much fun already?

SCH,
At least someone wanted you at some endgame events for some reason at some point.
- DNC

And in what realm would it make sense for any 2 hour buff(An "Oh ****!" button) with the exception of beast,(Specifically since it's basically just a time extender for intents and purposes) to last a full events worth(half an hour+)? Only a handful of stances and buffs last as long as this buff in it's original state,

Is hundred fist, Mighty strikes useless becuase they only last 45 seconds? No. It's an inflammatory argument that just doesn't make sense. It's a nerf, I am not parading in the streets about it but it isn't suddenly akin to Overdrive. The spell is not useless, nor is the two hour. No other two hour in the game comes with as many benefits as Scholar's does. Even though bard can haste for more and have a longer duration yes, however a bard can't give a mages and DDs that kind of regen on top of refresh or haste respectively. a bard can't suddenly cast one of the strongest spells in game that is also AoEable. A bard can't drop AoE self target only spells to help further mitigate damage and enhance attacks.

Embrava and the two hour itself is not useless. It's just not Quintessential anymore. Which was the point to the nerf. And it will still be sought after for things like Nyzul and eventually salvage for it's strong versatility.

And I have to agree with fyn point on fun. This doesn't ruin anyones fun. Cause I don't consider 2 houring and staring at a book all event long only to step away to recast 1 spell on everyone fun. Nor do I considering strong arming my way through content with the same "Hit it as hard was we can and hope it dies before we do" strategy that is so popular in this game fun when used ad nasuem,

EXACTLY, internet-high-five right back at you.

That pretty much sums up the entire issue with the game right now. The developers made these stupid powerful monsters that constantly spam their "JP Button" to kill everyone and now they refuse to acknowledge that and nerf them. It's become a situation where you MUST use PD/Embrava (PD was required, Embrava just made it easier) or you failed. Try to do ADL without PD, try to do Legion without PD, try to do Voidwatch without using Fanatics drinks. You'll find out really fast how much they were required, not desired. I would love to play in a game where we don't have to resort to such cheap tactics, cause they do make the game seem boring by removing some of the real challenge. Arch-Omega is a decent enough fight, it does a ton of AoE's but none are so powerful that they just insta-kill everyone. DD's need a PDT/MDT set to be engaged full time, and your healers need to be good on the status ailments and Curaga spam. Actually the Arch-Omega / Ultima fights are good for separating the Abyssea onry healers from the dedicated healers, Cure IV/V spam won't go far, you need Curaga's at a minimum. Of course introducing Embrava / PD makes the fight kinda easy, which is the point behind nerfing it in the first place.

So if SE's going to nerf PD / Embrava, then they need to also nerf the offensive power of boss's, it's not an option.

Ranger nerf was one of the biggest nerfs and was one of the reasons I quit the first time. I came back 2 years ago only to find out it got worse. Don't know why they tried to make ranged attack more real like in a fantasy title. I'm Still upset at how useless ranger is.



Edited, Oct 26th 2012 7:12pm by jakarai

There are groups that do legion w/o PD at all, but they do have multiple sch's for stun-locking the mobs. I think the nerf to PD is perfect, can still get 57 seconds out of it if you are skilled so you lose 33 seconds only. Embrava however I thought was too much, something like 2 1/2 min recast regain to 3 tic max, haste was fine at what they put it too and maybe knocking 15-20 off the regen and that would have been good.

I know theme tends to take a back seat to efficiency in MMOs, but there were basically two things going wrong when it came to Ranger back then. First was people simply shooting at point blank range. Really, when I consider archers or other forms of marksmen, I think of people trying to shoot **** from a distance. Execution style may have its appeal to gangstas and the like, but it's still not really in the fantasy mold. Second would be people using things like the Kraken Club to get TP really fast and just crank out WS far faster than they would've spamming RAs. Nice for parses, sure, but still not very range-y.

Mechanically, there were other issues like different damage formula favoring ranged attacks on higher level prey, which when paired with some of the above, eventually lead people into arrowburns. And since it was better, theme be damned, you were basically playing a gimpy THF/NIN until it came time to WS. Even after the nerf, the damage of RNG has not been the problem. The real hurdles the job now faces are a mix of ammunition costs and enmity issues making it difficult to actually maintain range on a mob if you're doing respectable damage. Some might also make a case for lacking auto-RA and the clumsiness of rapid shot gear, but I also don't think some realize that RAs are really just JAs with a cast time and that making such happen would be more complex than just copy/pasting the melee code. People, have, however fallen into the trap of believing that because RNG does shoot ammo, thus spend money, they deserve being a top DD. Actually being able to attack at range is a definite defensive benefit and even made some fights like Dark Ixion a breeze. The unfortunate truth is, as long as other melees have to get in range of this deadly TP wtfpwnurass **** mobs throw out, the best RNG could hop for is being on par or slightly less effective. But then we hit the problem of people only wanting the most effective jobs for a given task. That just brings us full circle to ammo costs. If 1k could get you 100 shots of any kind of ammo, I doubt people would give a **** about being less effective. But when you have to pay 15k for those 100 shots... yeah. And this is one of those cases were it's not really the crafter's fault due to either rarity or forced minimum pricing via NPC materials.

Taking away the ability for certain jobs to deal damage is actually worse than requiring a certain job to be present just to survive the fight.

Hell, that's pretty much taking them out of the fight without even bothering to kill them.

Try again.

In the interest of further themeliness, they must also take an RACC penalty when doing so. :P

I have an even better question: What's the point of making mobs do 2k+ AoEs, period?