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#52 Oct 16 2012 at 7:44 AM Rating: Good
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Jevilwolf wrote:
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Well gimmie a couple hundred mil for currency and mercing souls and $25 for server transfer I've got the first part handled.


I believe that he's willing to reimburse the $25 for the transfer if you take him up on it,
That's only if you even win the fight. Lose it and you lost yourself $50 if you plan on transferring back out of your own pocket after a month wait.


I believe you'd be stuck there for 90 days, not just 1 month, before you could travel back to your own server.
#53 Oct 16 2012 at 8:00 AM Rating: Default
I would take him up on his challenge!!!

Maybe I do that Nov 1st,

#54 Oct 16 2012 at 8:03 AM Rating: Good
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I would take him up on his challenge!!!

Maybe I do that Nov 1st,



Please do, Dear Leader, and record it for us, OK?

What job would you use?

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Well gimmie a couple hundred mil for currency and mercing souls and $25 for server transfer I've got the first part handled.


I believe that he's willing to reimburse the $25 for the transfer if you take him up on it, but what turns me off the most to it is that if I transfer over for the match, I'd be stuck on that server until I was able to transfer again, and I don't want to be over on another server for that long. Even if I were to beat him and obtain all that gil, it'd still be a little bittersweet given that I'd be away from my friends for so long.

Edited, Oct 16th 2012 1:53am by Vlorsutes


But you'd be finished with your new stick. And then you could start on that Ghorn.


Edited, Oct 16th 2012 10:06am by Artemas
#55 Oct 16 2012 at 8:30 AM Rating: Excellent
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I hope he gets beaten by a taru PUP.



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#56 Oct 16 2012 at 10:01 AM Rating: Good
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TribalProphet wrote:
Jevilwolf wrote:
Professor Shock Vlorsutes wrote:
Raelix wrote:
Well gimmie a couple hundred mil for currency and mercing souls and $25 for server transfer I've got the first part handled.


I believe that he's willing to reimburse the $25 for the transfer if you take him up on it,
That's only if you even win the fight. Lose it and you lost yourself $50 if you plan on transferring back out of your own pocket after a month wait.


I believe you'd be stuck there for 90 days, not just 1 month, before you could travel back to your own server.
Ouch. Three months away from friends is not worth a chance for the 50 million given how easy it is to make a comparable amount (if not more!) within that time these days.
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...draining with sambas is kind of like you smack the thing and as you smack blood flies out... normally the blood would just you know fall and be red an what-not, but, with the samba your all whacked out and decide to drink the blood as it flys out. thus not adding MORE damage just taking more advantage of your damage. at least thats my take on it.
#57 Oct 16 2012 at 11:42 AM Rating: Decent
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Jevilwolf wrote:
TribalProphet wrote:
Jevilwolf wrote:
Professor Shock Vlorsutes wrote:
Raelix wrote:
Well gimmie a couple hundred mil for currency and mercing souls and $25 for server transfer I've got the first part handled.


I believe that he's willing to reimburse the $25 for the transfer if you take him up on it,
That's only if you even win the fight. Lose it and you lost yourself $50 if you plan on transferring back out of your own pocket after a month wait.


I believe you'd be stuck there for 90 days, not just 1 month, before you could travel back to your own server.
Ouch. Three months away from friends is not worth a chance for the 50 million given how easy it is to make a comparable amount (if not more!) within that time these days.

why not just meet on the Test Server?

Edit: Come to think of it, wouldn't this also give an equal footing for the most part, since you could all have relics / capped merits from the vendor? You could then create a level 1 alt on his server to collect funds, and transfer that level 1 to your home server to move it to your main.

Edited, Oct 16th 2012 1:45pm by FUJILIVES
#58 Oct 16 2012 at 11:59 AM Rating: Good
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FUJILIVES wrote:
Jevilwolf wrote:
TribalProphet wrote:
Jevilwolf wrote:
Professor Shock Vlorsutes wrote:
Raelix wrote:
Well gimmie a couple hundred mil for currency and mercing souls and $25 for server transfer I've got the first part handled.


I believe that he's willing to reimburse the $25 for the transfer if you take him up on it,
That's only if you even win the fight. Lose it and you lost yourself $50 if you plan on transferring back out of your own pocket after a month wait.


I believe you'd be stuck there for 90 days, not just 1 month, before you could travel back to your own server.
Ouch. Three months away from friends is not worth a chance for the 50 million given how easy it is to make a comparable amount (if not more!) within that time these days.

why not just meet on the Test Server?

Edit: Come to think of it, wouldn't this also give an equal footing for the most part, since you could all have relics / capped merits from the vendor? You could then create a level 1 alt on his server to collect funds, and transfer that level 1 to your home server to move it to your main.
This is what the DRK had to say:

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First, because the possibility of any sort of "foul play" nonsense is mitigated by it having taken place on a "real" server.

Second, want to fight my character versus other characters that are built up, leveled, and worked in a non-testing environment, parallel to my own, the real servers.

Third, not a place where new game play mechanics may not have adequate testing, things currently in development, and where there are ways to get equipment that is not parallel to every other realm in existence.

This could be used to invalidate victories or defeats by people, I would like to avoid it entirely.

Fourth, I'm not really up to ponying up 30,000,000g and then paying for transfers. I feel I've done my part in the transaction by offering up a legitimate reward.

While I do hope to bring new interest this is not an entirely selfless endeavor.

There is also some romanticism in the idea of somebody "traveling" a great distance to face new great challenge. You may discard this as you please, but I still find some value. Some of that "epic" ness is removed by taking out this element, don't you think?

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I had membership on the test server, I lost it, I applied a couple times. I do not have it. I have not put a great degree of effort into re-obtaining it.

Perhaps some people are hesitant because they do not believe in the legitimacy of the reward, I can provide proof it exists.

I conduct myself with a degree of seriousness, the quickest way to become the biggest laughing stock this game has ever seen, would be to not pay-up and for this to be some elaborate ruse.

I assure you it is not.

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You do touch on an interesting philosophical aspect of the enemy I think will defeat me will possess, and for that you seem interesting.
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...draining with sambas is kind of like you smack the thing and as you smack blood flies out... normally the blood would just you know fall and be red an what-not, but, with the samba your all whacked out and decide to drink the blood as it flys out. thus not adding MORE damage just taking more advantage of your damage. at least thats my take on it.
#59REDACTED, Posted: Oct 16 2012 at 1:14 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Okay honestly you got to be dumb to believe this Guy is going to pay you 50 million Gil to beat him in a pvp match LOL.
#60 Oct 16 2012 at 1:21 PM Rating: Good
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jakarai wrote:
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I hate this forum. I don't know why you guys are down rating my post I'm just telling you what people have told me.
Because you're full of sh*t and everyone can smell it.
Okay honestly you got to be dumb to believe this Guy is going to pay you 50 million Gil to beat him in a pvp match LOL.
Okay honestly you got to be dumb to not have screenshots, witnesses, and video of this Guy that might pay you 50 million Gil if you beat him in a pvp match LOL.
#61 Oct 16 2012 at 1:35 PM Rating: Excellent
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I hate this forum. I don't know why you guys are down rating my post I'm just telling you what people have told me.

Because you're full of sh*t and everyone can smell it.

Okay honestly you got to be dumb to believe this Guy is going to pay you 50 million Gil to beat him in a pvp match LOL.


He's giving you every opportunity to allow you to record it and keep tabs on what happens. This means in part that you'd have some record to be able to use should you get in touch with a GM. If it is mentioned in game between the two of you at any point, that he agrees to pay up should you beat him the required number of times, then it would count as a contract that he is bound to, and should he not pay up then a GM would be able to take actions. Even if a GM weren't able to (which is extremely unlikely if the aforementioned info is established in game), if you have proof that he lost those matches but still won't pay up, then I'm certain that he'll be hounded and badgered constantly.

In short, if he were to lose but not pay you up, then it's really no one's fault but your own.
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#62 Oct 16 2012 at 1:55 PM Rating: Good
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Professor Shock Vlorsutes wrote:
jakarai wrote:
Raelix wrote:
jakarai wrote:
I hate this forum. I don't know why you guys are down rating my post I'm just telling you what people have told me.

Because you're full of sh*t and everyone can smell it.

Okay honestly you got to be dumb to believe this Guy is going to pay you 50 million Gil to beat him in a pvp match LOL.


He's giving you every opportunity to allow you to record it and keep tabs on what happens. This means in part that you'd have some record to be able to use should you get in touch with a GM. If it is mentioned in game between the two of you at any point, that he agrees to pay up should you beat him the required number of times, then it would count as a contract that he is bound to, and should he not pay up then a GM would be able to take actions. Even if a GM weren't able to (which is extremely unlikely if the aforementioned info is established in game), if you have proof that he lost those matches but still won't pay up, then I'm certain that he'll be hounded and badgered constantly.

In short, if he were to lose but not pay you up, then it's really no one's fault but your own.


I've talked to GMs about in-game deals or agreements (mainly relic loans) and while some may enforce them, it's apparently not the rule being followed by some (or most?). They were very clear to only deal with people who you know you can trust, because the ones I talked to said they wouldn't get involved with enforcing any contracts made in game.

That said, if someone is going to say this guy posting the bounty is full of it, the burden is on them to show proof. From following that thread, the guy may be a douche, a braggart, and is obsessed with a dead section of the game, but the one thing no one has done is actually beat him and post a SS of him not paying up. So far, he's held up his end of the deal as stated.
#63 Oct 16 2012 at 2:00 PM Rating: Excellent
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Honestly, the guy's forthright and eloquent (so far). I'd invite him to my linkshell.

#64 Oct 16 2012 at 3:34 PM Rating: Good
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Sitting in a tree with full camo on and the best sniper rifle in a FPS online is fun. Let's not pretend like fun = fair.

PVP in FFXI = picking the best job and trying it out a few times until you can exploit an advantage over other players. I graduated from this when the exploit used to be sleep bolt to 100 tp, and SA+WS insta kill the opponent.

Are you telling me somehow it's barranced now, or is it still pretty much pick a job that has an exploit, work on the minor few skills necessary to implement that exploit and go to town?


I never said anything about FPS, I was talking about PvP vs. PvE. Speaking of FPS, maybe camping in a FPS is fun to you, but speak for yourself. Don't assume your definition of fun applies to everyone.

If your opponent was dying from one SA+WS combo, that's just their lack of knowledge. A simple PDT set would keep them alive. Doesn't the gradual sleep resistance apply to sleep bolts as well?

I never said it was balanced. I even said in my first clause, the 7th freaking word in, that it was unbalanced. Did you even read my post?

Anyway, I've stated my opinion, feel how you like about PvP. But at least read and understand my post before you try to pick it apart.



Edited, Oct 16th 2012 5:39pm by Fermion
#65 Oct 16 2012 at 3:53 PM Rating: Default
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Sitting in a tree with full camo on and the best sniper rifle in a FPS online is fun. Let's not pretend like fun = fair.

PVP in FFXI = picking the best job and trying it out a few times until you can exploit an advantage over other players. I graduated from this when the exploit used to be sleep bolt to 100 tp, and SA+WS insta kill the opponent.

Are you telling me somehow it's barranced now, or is it still pretty much pick a job that has an exploit, work on the minor few skills necessary to implement that exploit and go to town?


I never said anything about FPS, I was talking about PvP vs. PvE. Speaking of FPS, maybe camping in a FPS is fun to you, but speak for yourself. Don't assume your definition of fun applies to everyone.

If your opponent was dying from one SA+WS combo, that's just their lack of knowledge. A simple PDT set would keep them alive. Doesn't the gradual sleep resistance apply to sleep bolts as well?

I never said it was balanced. I even said in my first clause, the 7th freaking word in, that it was unbalanced. Did you even read my post?

Anyway, I've stated my opinion, feel how you like about PvP. But at least read and understand my post before you try to pick it apart.

Edited, Oct 16th 2012 5:39pm by Fermion


Touche. Your original response to my first post in the thread is re-posted below. "...blind man in a vision test" was about balance and fairness, not fun. I'm not sure why you determined that a response about fun was relevant to such a quote. Then you said something about "just following a script", which is pretty much what PVP becomes too. Eventually, there is a best way to approach something. In PVE or PVP. If it's a little bit more fun to you to have a less rapid convergence of paths, whatever tickles your fancy, but let's not start throwing out reading comprehension accusations, when we are doing so well ourselves to begin with...

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PVP in FFXI is like pitting this years Astros against the best Yankees team ever.

In other words "Guess what guys, I beat a blind man in a vision test."


Even though PvP in FFXI is unbalanced and pointless, it's fun to get out of the regular routine once in a while. PvP challenges you in ways PvE never can. Once someone comes up with a strategy, it's pretty much just following the script after that, for example, @ 66% we do this, @ 50% we do that, or even worse, fanatic's/fool's spam.

Mobs are very predictable, players aren't. The unpredictability is where I get my enjoyment.


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PVP in FFXI = picking the best job and trying it out a few times until you can exploit an advantage over other players.

To be fair, that's PVP in every game designed in the past 100 years or so. You find the most poorly balanced, easily exploitable facet of the gameplay, ignoring the remaining 95%. And then you learn to do it faster than anyone else.
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#67 Oct 17 2012 at 2:43 AM Rating: Default
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Raelix wrote:
Well gimmie a couple hundred mil for currency and mercing souls and $25 for server transfer I've got the first part handled.



Oh. I didn't realize that "I was gonna" means "I'm just talking and have no real intention of actually acting on what I say." My bad.
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I can see how you'd confuse affirmation of speculation about PLD in the directly previous post with actually stating an attempt.

Wait no I can't.

"I was gonna go with (for the purposes of discussion and pertinent to the prior post in the context of speculation surrounding brick-walling and outlasting while resisting his enfeebles) PLD/BLU"

Better?
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#69 Oct 17 2012 at 8:14 AM Rating: Good
Professor Shock Vlorsutes wrote:
jakarai wrote:
Raelix wrote:
jakarai wrote:
I hate this forum. I don't know why you guys are down rating my post I'm just telling you what people have told me.

Because you're full of sh*t and everyone can smell it.

Okay honestly you got to be dumb to believe this Guy is going to pay you 50 million Gil to beat him in a pvp match LOL.


He's giving you every opportunity to allow you to record it and keep tabs on what happens. This means in part that you'd have some record to be able to use should you get in touch with a GM. If it is mentioned in game between the two of you at any point, that he agrees to pay up should you beat him the required number of times, then it would count as a contract that he is bound to, and should he not pay up then a GM would be able to take actions. Even if a GM weren't able to (which is extremely unlikely if the aforementioned info is established in game), if you have proof that he lost those matches but still won't pay up, then I'm certain that he'll be hounded and badgered constantly.

In short, if he were to lose but not pay you up, then it's really no one's fault but your own.

Plus the guy has no problem with others watching it.

If some one is really that confident in beating the guy surely they would record it, screenshot it. Not everyone has the likes of Fraps but still screenshots everyone has access to. Also take witnesses.

If some one says "I hear he doesnt pay up" at least say the names that are saying it? As much as I believe the guy can be beaten it does sound like he really is good but then you would be if yo dedicate a long time setting up a single job especially for PVP. And he probably is that serious in regards to paying the gil etc. Also im sure he is one of the hardcore XI players something I havnt been for some years. This guy does seem happy to allow people to record it, screenshot it and take witnesses and if he really is serious that he wants people to challenge him - he cant break his promise.
#70 Oct 17 2012 at 10:50 AM Rating: Default
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RDM/BLU, -PDT Melee set, Ice Spikes, enblizzard II, Bio III, face tank and swing sword (Joyeuse is best bet.). Silence, Addle to limit Abs TP, use Sanguine Blade to keep Health up.Dispel his Spikes (if used) Use Barthunder, and Barpara to limit Stun and Para. Use Break/Sleep as "stuns". Use Gravity/Bind to make distance if needed. Ppots Tacos keep cocoon up, use Blue Spells to heal, and lastly, use headbutt, GG.

A well played RDM/BLU has only one predator in PVP. A well played BLU/RDM.

The RDM in the video link was bad. RDM is terrible as a casting class in PVP, must be used as a melee in order to be victorious.


Id accept his challenge, if he wants to come to Lakshmi. I am not getting stuck on another server for 3 months, I already made that mistake when I went to Bismark. If he is willing to pay 25 bucks to have someone transfer there, he can use it to transfer here.







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#71 Oct 17 2012 at 11:25 AM Rating: Good
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Rdm is so superior as a casting class in pvp.

The only thing that can come close is sch (sometimes with strats) and blm if they stack all -elemental/magian staff, but then the blm loses out on other insta cast/haste/dmg reduction gear.

It's actually borderline disgusting.
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#73 Oct 17 2012 at 12:08 PM Rating: Good
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Ppots Tacos keep cocoon up,
Food not allowed. His way of showing he isn't eating beneficial food is to show eating something that will not help in battle (he will eat a cookie).
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Horst needs a 1 minute, 15 foot doom aura. Get in, get out, or @#%^ing die.
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...draining with sambas is kind of like you smack the thing and as you smack blood flies out... normally the blood would just you know fall and be red an what-not, but, with the samba your all whacked out and decide to drink the blood as it flys out. thus not adding MORE damage just taking more advantage of your damage. at least thats my take on it.
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Is pre-buffing before engaging allowed? That would also put a damper on RDM/anything if everyone's supposed to start buffless.
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#75 Oct 17 2012 at 4:21 PM Rating: Good
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Is pre-buffing before engaging allowed? That would also put a damper on RDM/anything if everyone's supposed to start buffless.

I'm almost positive he said somewhere in the thread (I can't find it right this second) that he allows you like 2 minutes to buff or do whatever.

Edit: Found the post where he said that: linky

Edited, Oct 17th 2012 5:24pm by Altair
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