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#1 Oct 11 2012 at 6:15 PM Rating: Good
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So there's a thread some of you have probably seen over on ffxiah.com's forums but just in case you haven't I thought I would share it.

http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/33640/50000000g-bounty

This guy Urteil (A Rag/Apoc/Lib/Calad DRK) has placed a 50,000,000 Gil bounty on his own head and wants to see if anyone can beat his DRK/RDM in 1v1, first to three kills and any job combo will be accepted. If you server transfer to beat him he will also send you $25 via paypal to get home with. He is apparently a heavily skilled DRK and PvPer with many folks backing up his claim to skill. If you check his profile on the site, his idle set is ridiculous. He has a few stipulations like no meds/consumables and he is not willing to fight in a level capped 1v1 or on the test server. So what do you think could be this combo? I fear that everything comes down to who lands the first stun/sleep/break.
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#2 Oct 11 2012 at 7:00 PM Rating: Good
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He has a huge *****.
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...draining with sambas is kind of like you smack the thing and as you smack blood flies out... normally the blood would just you know fall and be red an what-not, but, with the samba your all whacked out and decide to drink the blood as it flys out. thus not adding MORE damage just taking more advantage of your damage. at least thats my take on it.
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Makes no sense. Sleep Bolts = Win? What does he have planned? Does anyone else find this suspicious?
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Suspicious? If you challenge him to PvP, you lose 30 mins of your time. Since there's clearly no risk to you, I don't know what your concern would be.
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I wonder if an equally beefy PLD/RDM or /BLU with Ochain could whittle him down slightly faster than visa versa. Chances are though this guy is a champion of stun/sleep/break and run behind someone if even for just one unblocked hit at a time.
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I read a bit of the thread, and it sounds like he's got gear for just about anything people can throw at him. There's a lot of trolling being done in that thread, but I don't think any of it is being done by him. He sounds like he's got the skill to back up the claim. I don't ballista, but he sounds cool to play against.
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There's an old video of his participation from four years ago of fighting a PLD (page 5). Of course, he is better now than he was. He fought at least four opponents who took up on the offer. So yes, there's no trolling from his end.
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...draining with sambas is kind of like you smack the thing and as you smack blood flies out... normally the blood would just you know fall and be red an what-not, but, with the samba your all whacked out and decide to drink the blood as it flys out. thus not adding MORE damage just taking more advantage of your damage. at least thats my take on it.
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19 pages of smack-talking in that thread...countless people claiming they **could** beat him, or they "would do it if not for x", but not one single person that has mustered the balls to actually accept the challenge and fight him.
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Multiple sets for multiple jobs his opponents can be. Duh? Even if that don't matter, he knows many different playstyles to keep things fresh for himself.

Edited, Oct 12th 2012 9:24am by Jevilwolf
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...draining with sambas is kind of like you smack the thing and as you smack blood flies out... normally the blood would just you know fall and be red an what-not, but, with the samba your all whacked out and decide to drink the blood as it flys out. thus not adding MORE damage just taking more advantage of your damage. at least thats my take on it.
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Ballista can get gritty at times (as gritty as FF11 anyways, it's not L2 or Tera), and drks can make you feel like you're in digital Compton quite easily.

I'm sure if it was as easy as 'sleep bolts lol' or 'just cs nuke', he wouldn't be willing to put out 50m gil from his coffers. If you read through his posts, he regularly uses /sch (sublim will eliminate your sleep tactic) and he states no items, so even if his opponent chainspells, it just takes one blink (from his mage sub) and one stun>guillotine that will ruin your plan. I think a bluemage has the best shot.

I hope he streams them.

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Having played ballista with some of the greats "back in the day", I can say drk is one of the better jobs in there, even at 75 when gear selection was pretty abysmal. A good drk, good mnk, and good pld were all the most long-standing melee fighters that you had to watch out for.

No consumables is a silly rule, since poison pots are an essential part of ballista to avoid sleep.

I can say from experience it's far more about 'avoiding debuffs' than it is anything else. I recall using tricks like double-resist-stun/bind earrings from cactuar rapido combined with the elementa-resistance ribbon from limbus gave a huge boost to survival. I personally went from fearing some of those melee, to hunting them on BLM. Minus-spell-interuption gear also helps a good deal for casters. At my peak, I had established a gearset that made it nearly impossible to get silenced, since at the time, we had several skilled RDM's had become the biggest pain - constantly silencing people as their first action, which effectively shuts-down any caster (You literally couldn't use echo-drops fast enough, because you'd get re-silenced before the echo-drop action finished)

Back to point, on the DRK, you'd need a resist-stun/bind set, a job that didn't need to cast, and something that could midigate TP gain without the use of utsusemi (poisonga / diaga will eat shadows much faster and easier than you'll be able to keep them up). Assuming he's using Apoc, you'll need to avoid hits in order to stop him from healing himself / gaining haste boons.

This pretty much leaves a very-well geared / skill-capped MNK, and maybe a defensive sam/whm (sam/dnc I think would be harder to manage in a 1v1 melee) are the only things I can think of that would stand a chance. sam/whm can silence with GK fairly easily and self-haste / erase after that, but at the end of the day... without poison pots to avoid sleep and echo drops to remove silence, I imagine it'd be messy as ****.

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Would also fancy a BLU having the best chance short of a mirror match amongst DRKs. Would be funnier if it's done via something cheesy like blastbomb kiting.
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19 pages of smack-talking in that thread...countless people claiming they **could** beat him, or they "would do it if not for x", but not one single person that has mustered the balls to actually accept the challenge and fight him.


Probably just as well.


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Isnt this just more proof that PVP in FFXI is broken and that there is absolutely no balance? I really dont understand why people are enjoying that...
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Would also fancy a BLU having the best chance short of a mirror match amongst DRKs. Would be funnier if it's done via something cheesy like blastbomb kiting.

You'd never be able to do anything against a job that has multiple ways to keep you silenced. If he's saying "no consumables", this means you stay silenced til you die.
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#19 Oct 12 2012 at 10:03 AM Rating: Good
The rules are the same for both characters though, so as annoying as lack of consumables might be, it's an even playing field. You can walk in there DRK/RDM if you want, I just think no one is willing to step up. He's letting you post videos, so you really have nothing to lose. If he bails, you have it on video, doesn't pay you, same thing.

I know people complain it's all broken, but it's broken for everyone.
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Ah yeah, this is the same guy who'll run up onto you and your friends killing EP mobs in Dynamis since he's "too good to kill DC++ enemies" then brag about finishing relics in x amount of time on "hard monsters only". I should post those videos.

He's also the same @#%^er who'll state: "You shouldn't have FC'd here this is my spot even if I'm not here, I can come here and FC ontop of you all day if I choose to" and proceeds to do as such (at the height of FCing even in empty spots.) So yes, the reason no one "steps up" is because most people don't want to deal with this dumbass lol.

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A rabid PvPer being a jackass?! Say it ain't so...
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From what I heard he doesn't actually pay up.
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So there's a thread some of you have probably seen over on ffxiah.com's forums but just in case you haven't I thought I would share it.

http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/33640/50000000g-bounty

This guy Urteil (A Rag/Apoc/Lib/Calad DRK) has placed a 50,000,000 Gil bounty on his own head and wants to see if anyone can beat his DRK/RDM in 1v1, first to three kills and any job combo will be accepted. If you server transfer to beat him he will also send you $25 via paypal to get home with. He is apparently a heavily skilled DRK and PvPer with many folks backing up his claim to skill. If you check his profile on the site, his idle set is ridiculous. He has a few stipulations like no meds/consumables and he is not willing to fight in a level capped 1v1 or on the test server. So what do you think could be this combo? I fear that everything comes down to who lands the first stun/sleep/break.



Has the rules over server transfers changed?
Didn't you used to have to stay on that server before you could hop back?
As I see it, you need to pay for the first hop, wait 3 months and pay same amount again before coming back to your original server.


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From what I heard he doesn't actually pay up.



Where did you "hear" this? I'm fairly certain that if someone accepted the challenge, beat him, and didn't get paid they would have posted about it.
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From what I heard he doesn't actually pay up.



Where did you "hear" this? I'm fairly certain that if someone accepted the challenge, beat him, and didn't get paid they would have posted about it.


He also completely supports people video taping their matches/conversations. If he back down from his word there would be proof.
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Never had much interest in PVP myself, but this is a pretty amazing and ballsy move. Any gear or merit this guy has should be able to be acquired by someone else. Unless he literally is the best player in the game, someone should be able to beat him, if only by being better at whatever tactic he uses to win. Totally interested to see how some of the fights go down.
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PVP in FFXI is like pitting this years Astros against the best Yankees team ever.

In other words "Guess what guys, I beat a blind man in a vision test."


Even though PvP in FFXI is unbalanced and pointless, it's fun to get out of the regular routine once in a while. PvP challenges you in ways PvE never can. Once someone comes up with a strategy, it's pretty much just following the script after that, for example, @ 66% we do this, @ 50% we do that, or even worse, fanatic's/fool's spam.

Mobs are very predictable, players aren't. The unpredictability is where I get my enjoyment.
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#29jakarai, Posted: Oct 13 2012 at 1:01 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) From people who have said they beat him.
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From what I heard he doesn't actually pay up.
Where did you "hear" this? I'm fairly certain that if someone accepted the challenge, beat him, and didn't get paid they would have posted about it.
From people who have said they beat him.
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jakarai wrote:
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From what I heard he doesn't actually pay up.



Where did you "hear" this? I'm fairly certain that if someone accepted the challenge, beat him, and didn't get paid they would have posted about it.

From people who have said they beat him.

ZOMG yeah! I totally beat him on my BST/DNC with CourierCarrie and he totally didn't pay up!!

See how easy that is?
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jakarai wrote:
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From what I heard he doesn't actually pay up.



Where did you "hear" this? I'm fairly certain that if someone accepted the challenge, beat him, and didn't get paid they would have posted about it.

From people who have said they beat him.
But three times? Even then, it could be before he came up with the offer when he was working his way up.
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The guy is just having fun. That's why there's no loss for you losing. No one does ballista and he can't have fun murking people if no one is playing. He's not unbeatable, just no one wants to put the time an effort to be able to win.
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#34jakarai, Posted: Oct 14 2012 at 8:04 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I hate this forum. I don't know why you guys are down rating my post I'm just telling you what people have told me.
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I hate this forum. I don't know why you guys are down rating my post I'm just telling you what people have told me.


Worrying about lolkarma is like....someone help me out here, my brain isn't working so well. Just that it's not worth worrying about rate ups or rate downs because in the end it's just a color.

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Generally, when you make a claim, people expect proof such as screenshots or even video.

This is especially true when your claims embarrass or discredit another person/player. Given that the PvPer has, so far, been fairly reserved about his actions, it makes your need for evidence even more important.

It doesn't matter if you heard about this from a friend or if you beat the player on your own. You should always have evidence available when trying to make a claim such as yours.
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#37jakarai, Posted: Oct 14 2012 at 8:13 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Okay im not even going to take your post seriously. Not everyone who fights him is going to record it.
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jakarai wrote:
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Generally, when you make a claim, people expect proof such as screenshots or even video.

This is especially true when your claims embarrass or discredit another person/player. Given that the PvPer has, so far, been fairly reserved about his actions, it makes your need for evidence even more important.

It doesn't matter if you heard about this from a friend or if you beat the player on your own. You should always have evidence available when trying to make a claim such as yours.


Okay im not even going to take your post seriously. Not everyone who fights him is going to record it.


And the point of his post went completely whoosh.

Doesn't matter if everyone records it. What matters is that YOU post material (screenshots or whatnot) that backs up YOUR point. If you're going to discredit someone, POIDH.
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I hate this forum. I don't know why you guys are down rating my post I'm just telling you what people have told me.

Because you're full of **** and everyone can smell it.
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#40 Oct 15 2012 at 1:32 AM Rating: Excellent
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I hate this forum. I don't know why you guys are down rating my post I'm just telling you what people have told me.


They're likely negatively responding to your post because it's a matter of spreading rumors around that have no evidence to support it. Even if they didn't record it per say, anyone putting up that much gil (not to mention potentially hopping servers) to participate in this sort of contest is going to at least have some documentation of it (screenshots at least), not to mention they'd be crazy not to contact a GM in regards to it since it's a breach of a written contract. I have a feeling that those people saying that he lost but didn't pay up are ones that have some vendetta against him (likely he beat them in a similar contest and lost all that gil, so they're trying to ruin his reputation).

The point is though is that unless there's evidence to support it, those rumors are just that, rumors, and you're opening yourself up to ridicule by spreading them.
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Looking at his video he's just using the same tactics a RDM used to use, Bind / Stun / Sleep / (Now Break) / + drain / aspir to death. Though DRK has far superior Drain / Aspir skills. Looks like he has the gear to make it very hard to hurt him along with self-heal from Cata and whatever he can use from /SCH or /RDM. As subs would be declared ahead of time and "no items" vastly favoring his techniques, the odds are in his favor most of the time. A RDM might be able to take him down but it would turn into a fight of chance, have to get rid of his LA / AW / Sublimation (he would certainly set /SCH against a RDM) to prevent him from Paralyna himself then land Sab Para II and proceed to lock him down and drain / aspir the **** out of him. If you give him any time to get his buffs up then it'll be tough to keep him at a distance.

A note on sleep, his "no items" rule is just BS as he'll be using sleep indiscriminately to get up close. The purpose of sleep isn't to knock someone out as you must always assume they have a DoT on, it's to stun then for 1~3s while they wait for the next tick to wake them up.
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Got me thinking, a Paladin's Fealty ability would pretty much render all his enfeebles completely useless, wouldnt it? Stun, Bind, Sleep, Petrify, none of those will ever stick with that ability active. The only downside would be, you'd still be up against a Relic Dark Knight. Which, in most circumstances, is bad. -PDT, a decent shield and an equally impressive Emp/Relic sword should make quick work of him, wouldnt it? Heck, your subjob wouldnt even matter.
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Yeah I was gonna go with PLD/BLU, Cocoon+Fealty, Ochain, and just Excal melee his *** down.
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A note on sleep, his "no items" rule is just BS as he'll be using sleep indiscriminately to get up close. The purpose of sleep isn't to knock someone out as you must always assume they have a DoT on, it's to stun then for 1~3s while they wait for the next tick to wake them up.



It's possible to resist sleeps on a regular basis (barsleep, resist sleep traits, resist gear in general, /sch sub), so I hope he wouldn't use that as a main strategy.

The real key is seeing how adaptable the participants are, since it's two out of three.


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In other words "Guess what guys, I beat a blind man in a vision test."


Even though PvP in FFXI is unbalanced and pointless, it's fun to get out of the regular routine once in a while. PvP challenges you in ways PvE never can. Once someone comes up with a strategy, it's pretty much just following the script after that, for example, @ 66% we do this, @ 50% we do that, or even worse, fanatic's/fool's spam.

Mobs are very predictable, players aren't. The unpredictability is where I get my enjoyment.


Sitting in a tree with full camo on and the best sniper rifle in a FPS online is fun. Let's not pretend like fun = fair.

PVP in FFXI = picking the best job and trying it out a few times until you can exploit an advantage over other players. I graduated from this when the exploit used to be sleep bolt to 100 tp, and SA+WS insta kill the opponent.

Are you telling me somehow it's barranced now, or is it still pretty much pick a job that has an exploit, work on the minor few skills necessary to implement that exploit and go to town?


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his "no items" rule is just BS as he'll be using sleep indiscriminately to get up close.

Any rule that applies to you applies to him too. Any spell he spams or tactic he abuses could be flung right back in his face. If the rule gives him an advantage, its because his opponent gives away that advantage. Claiming a rule is BS is basically admitting you're not good enough to beat him.
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I feel the PVP balance was non existent long before Abyssea and became even more silly after the level cap increase. Sure I haven't played Ballista since 2009 but I hardly believe SE have ever balanced it since WOTG.
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Yeah I was gonna go with PLD/BLU, Cocoon+Fealty, Ochain, and just Excal melee his *** down.



So do it then.

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Well gimmie a couple hundred mil for currency and mercing souls and $25 for server transfer I've got the first part handled.
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Vlorsutes wrote:
There's always...not trolling him?

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#50 Oct 15 2012 at 11:52 PM Rating: Excellent
Raelix wrote:
Well gimmie a couple hundred mil for currency and mercing souls and $25 for server transfer I've got the first part handled.


I believe that he's willing to reimburse the $25 for the transfer if you take him up on it, but what turns me off the most to it is that if I transfer over for the match, I'd be stuck on that server until I was able to transfer again, and I don't want to be over on another server for that long. Even if I were to beat him and obtain all that gil, it'd still be a little bittersweet given that I'd be away from my friends for so long.

Edited, Oct 16th 2012 1:53am by Vlorsutes
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#51 Oct 16 2012 at 5:17 AM Rating: Good
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Professor Shock Vlorsutes wrote:
Raelix wrote:
Well gimmie a couple hundred mil for currency and mercing souls and $25 for server transfer I've got the first part handled.


I believe that he's willing to reimburse the $25 for the transfer if you take him up on it,
That's only if you even win the fight. Lose it and you lost yourself $50 if you plan on transferring back out of your own pocket after a month wait.
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Horst needs a 1 minute, 15 foot doom aura. Get in, get out, or @#%^ing die.
Calmus wrote:
...draining with sambas is kind of like you smack the thing and as you smack blood flies out... normally the blood would just you know fall and be red an what-not, but, with the samba your all whacked out and decide to drink the blood as it flys out. thus not adding MORE damage just taking more advantage of your damage. at least thats my take on it.
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