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#1 Oct 03 2012 at 10:25 AM Rating: Default
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Go figure.
It seems that a axe wielding beast master cannot get ruby lights.
I've tried unless I'm doing something wrong.
Correct me if I'm wrong but according to wiki an axe has no elemental weapon skill for ruby?

#2 Oct 03 2012 at 10:27 AM Rating: Good
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I think you mean Amber lights, and no, BST can't build them with axe that I know of.
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#3 Oct 03 2012 at 10:28 AM Rating: Decent
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Certain mobs in each area don't give certain lights. This is more pronounced in the earlier Abysseas, but in particular Pachypodiums in Tahrongi don't give ruby so when understanding of lights was low people partied there so they wouldn't get red boxes.

So you didn't think to try different mobs.
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He's talking about using elemental WS and he started the thread on BST AF3 feet. I'm assuming he's going for his AF in Abyssea - Vunkerl (I think?)

Edit: Abyssea - Mis.

Edited, Oct 3rd 2012 12:40pm by Diamondis
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#5 Oct 03 2012 at 10:55 AM Rating: Excellent
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Ah.

BST has dagger skill. Aeolian Edge.

Great for Bastion btw. AoE->Snarl and tank the whole wave.
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#6 Oct 03 2012 at 11:57 AM Rating: Good
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I'm sorry I meant amber.
Yes I'm trying to get gold box drop in Abyssea Mis
Dam I really don't want to level up dagger.
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What you can do is build a little bit of ruby so that you are getting lower to mid teir red chests at a decent rate, then stop building ruby, open only amber (and maybe azure) chests until your amber is high enough for some feet to drop. for repeat amber farming that's not optimal, but if you're just after one set of feet, it is probably better than leveling a new weapon. Having said that, weapon diversity is never a bad thing.
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To be fair, you can also use much suckier dagger skills like gust slash etc, though it certainly isn't optimal. At least, however, you don't need super high dagger skill to get to that point, and your pet can do most of the DoT to whittle prey down.

As someone who has done it, however, it is really really annoying. You're better off getting skilled up so you can use better WS.
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I'm guessing it unlikely he'll have a Nyzul WS, nor would I suspect it easy for someone to unlock them these days from scratch. ;_;
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NQ Nyzul is insanely easy to complete nowadays. Even the ********* 3-man groups shouldn't have trouble completing at least 10 floors in a run (seriously, how did some of us sometimes have so much trouble in the past just doing 5 floors per run?), a good group can do 15 or even 20, and due to the fact that there's pretty much no statics that do it anymore, it actually isn't as hard as you might think to find those two people with shouts.
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I dunno, stuff like lamps can really slow you down, or kill all floors with obnoxious prey. I've been doing it with a group once in awhile and two sessions still did get us to floor 40.
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75 cap was different than 99 in overall efficacy. The problem wouldn't so much be 5 floor chunks, but rather finding people who also need NQ Nyzul. Much as I hate to say it, if BST is his only job, he won't really be favored for low-manning, either.
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RygartheHun wrote:

Correct me if I'm wrong but according to wiki an axe has no elemental weapon skill for ruby?



You prolly don't have it, but Cloudsplitter ambers. Its on Farsha or the WoE equivalent.
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75 cap was different than 99 in overall efficacy. The problem wouldn't so much be 5 floor chunks, but rather finding people who also need NQ Nyzul. Much as I hate to say it, if BST is his only job, he won't really be favored for low-manning, either.


Only if the others are morons. BST is the best job in the game for the old endgame now because the pet will hit the enemies in nyzul for 550+ a swing while tanking 10 of them at once.
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#16 Oct 03 2012 at 9:19 PM Rating: Decent
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Much as I hate to say it, if BST is his only job, he won't really be favored for low-manning, either.


Won't matter if he shouts his own group (and like I said, there are people out there who need the clears, since nobody statics NQ Nyzul anymore, and getting a mere 3 people for this is FAR easier than say, filling a VW alliance for a mob that isn't one of the pulse gear droppers).

And as pointed out, BST absolutely destroys NQ Nyzul anyway due to the massive level advantage players now have. It's nothing like HQ.
#17jakarai, Posted: Oct 11 2012 at 4:12 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Bro you totally making stuff up. You can easily get stuck on lamp floor. Also I shout for hours and can't find ONE person who is on the same floor as me.
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NQ Nyzul is insanely easy to complete nowadays. Even the sh*ttiest 3-man groups shouldn't have trouble completing at least 10 floors in a run (seriously, how did some of us sometimes have so much trouble in the past just doing 5 floors per run?), a good group can do 15 or even 20, and due to the fact that there's pretty much no statics that do it anymore, it actually isn't as hard as you might think to find those two people with shouts.

Bro you totally making stuff up. You can easily get stuck on lamp floor. Also I shout for hours and can't find ONE person who is on the same floor as me.


If there's decent communication between people in the party there shouldn't be too much of a hold up on Lamp floors. Order ones would be the worst, but as long as you communicate with the others regularly, that shouldn't slow you down too much.

As for shouting for hours and being unable to find one person on your floor, it might be better to take the hit and try for a shout group for a lower floor, or potentially even try to put together a group for a full clear starting from Floor 1.
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jakarai wrote:
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NQ Nyzul is insanely easy to complete nowadays. Even the sh*ttiest 3-man groups shouldn't have trouble completing at least 10 floors in a run (seriously, how did some of us sometimes have so much trouble in the past just doing 5 floors per run?), a good group can do 15 or even 20, and due to the fact that there's pretty much no statics that do it anymore, it actually isn't as hard as you might think to find those two people with shouts.

Bro you totally making stuff up. You can easily get stuck on lamp floor. Also I shout for hours and can't find ONE person who is on the same floor as me.


We just did nyzul last night with 3 only and the lamps weren't too bad. We had a "simultaneous" lamp floor, which thankfully there was only as many lamps as people (does it scale?) - and a order floor which wasn't too bad (got it on second try).

We cleared 20 more floors on 4 tags, since we decided to play it safe and warp out every five.

And Vlor is right, much quicker to start from the bottom if you can find 2 others willing to do the whole climb than to not do it at all.

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75 cap was different than 99 in overall efficacy. The problem wouldn't so much be 5 floor chunks, but rather finding people who also need NQ Nyzul. Much as I hate to say it, if BST is his only job, he won't really be favored for low-manning, either.


Only if the others are morons. BST is the best job in the game for the old endgame now because the pet will hit the enemies in nyzul for 550+ a swing while tanking 10 of them at once.


Also, this. Although I've been going on blu/whm cause it's nice to have some extra heals. Though one of these days I'm going to make someone else carry the heals and smash some stuff on BST.

Also, really, NQ Nyzul is not hard at all. We even had WS restriction pathos on floor 60 boss and we wiped the floor with it.

Edited, Oct 11th 2012 3:56pm by Olorinus
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Bro you totally making stuff up. You can easily get stuck on lamp floor.


Well yeah, if you suck and can't communicate. A whole bunch of things in the game that are normally **** easy are made considerably harder if you suck and can't communicate though, so I didn't feel that was important enough to mention.

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which thankfully there was only as many lamps as people (does it scale?)


No, it doesn't. Multi lamp floors always have 3-5 lamps, regardless of group size

Edited, Oct 12th 2012 4:34am by Fynlar
#21 Oct 13 2012 at 2:27 AM Rating: Good
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[quote]which thankfully there was only as many lamps as people (does it scale?)


No, it doesn't. Multi lamp floors always have 3-5 lamps, regardless of group size

Edited, Oct 12th 2012 4:34am by Fynlar

Really? That's messed up. >.> Possible auto-fail for same time if they're not close enough.
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I dont mean to praise SE or anything over this, but they actually did think about the lamp thing.

Yes, there are 3 to 5 lamps if you go in with a group of 5 or 6.
If you go in with a group of 4, there really are only 3 or 4 lamps.
And with a group of 3, i've never seen more than three lamps.

Trust me, as someone with the worst luck ever, and having to do countless of floors because the thing i want just doesnt drop for me, i've really not failed a floor because there "were too many lamps". I've failed them because people were idiots and dont know how to press a button, sure. But not because we ever had more lamps than players.

I dont know how things are done in your new and fancy Nyzul, but classic mode Nyzul, SE thought those things through.
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#23 Oct 13 2012 at 5:33 AM Rating: Decent
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Really? That's messed up. >.> Possible auto-fail for same time if they're not close enough.


You actually have quite a large timeframe in which to hit same time lamps, maybe around 20 seconds or so. In many cases one person will be able to hit two, maybe even three lamps.

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Yes, there are 3 to 5 lamps if you go in with a group of 5 or 6.
If you go in with a group of 4, there really are only 3 or 4 lamps.
And with a group of 3, i've never seen more than three lamps.


Done plenty of runs with 3 people since the level cap's gone up; I have still seen 4-5x lamp floors.

Edited, Oct 13th 2012 7:35am by Fynlar
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You can always get up to 5 lamps regardless of your group size.
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#25 Oct 15 2012 at 3:50 PM Rating: Good
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good to know, my group peeps were thinking maybe the same time ones scaled, but really we just got lucky.
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On "same time" lamp floors, my group of 3-4 never had more than the number of people we brought in.

On "order" floors, even if we brought 3 people we could have 5 lamps (which really screws you up for time if you want to push for 10 floors since now you have a couple people that have to run from lamp to lamp to try).

Did we just get lucky on the "same time" ones?
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Haven't actually bothered to check if there might be different limitations on sametime and order floors, so I'll temporarily concede that point until the time comes that I ever do some more NQ Nyzul
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