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#1 Jul 09 2012 at 12:28 PM Rating: Good
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Anyone heard anything about SE putting out a version for Mac OS? I'd love to be able to play at work when I have down time, but boss won't let me run the boot camp and install windows (worried about viruses....wth?)

Anyway, if anyone has some info i'd appreciate it. I'm about to just get an old PC out of the attic and set it up at my desk, lol

Thanks,
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#2 Jul 09 2012 at 1:24 PM Rating: Good
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There are many ways to get around this these days, but the easiest is just to use a virtual machine to install and run a windows environment 'within' your OSX environment. Provided you have a license for Windows XP lying around, you can easily run play-online this way.

If you are technically skilled, you can rig FFXI to run natively in the OSX environment via one of the many variations of Mac Wine available today (I've done it, but I don't recommend it primarily because I've seen some video-cards fry due to improper hardware interaction).

So while there are several ways to accomplish your goals these days, the easiest to manage properly is probably some free emu (qemu, for example) with windows xp.... but.... if your boss says No, you probably shouldn't do it, just remember that he may be saying he doesn't want you to run bootcamp due to viruses just to 'save face', he might actually mean he just doesn't want you to run games, period.

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Loordstewie wrote:
Anyone heard anything about SE putting out a version for Mac OS? I'd love to be able to play at work when I have down time, but boss won't let me run the boot camp and install windows (worried about viruses....wth?)

Anyway, if anyone has some info i'd appreciate it. I'm about to just get an old PC out of the attic and set it up at my desk, lol

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http://killingifrit.com/forums/topic/184046-guide-for-ffxi-on-mac/
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Last week I just started playing again, and I'm running FFXI on Parallels 7 (still on the free demo period for Parallels). It's flawless. And it's awesome to not have to leave the OSX environment. You can use Spaces in Mac OS to have FFXI running full screen in one of the spaces, and keep Safari open or whatever else in the other spaces. I really am thrilled with how it's worked out. The up-side is I happen to have a Windows XP license from many many years ago that I've kept. So that didn't cost me anything extra. If I end up buying Parallels though, the lowest price around 40 bucks. Still not too bad.

I"m all for a native version for Mac OSX, just don't see it happening, and it's not really necessary with Parallels and the other options around.

Edited, Jul 9th 2012 3:45pm by ticojpunk
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Thanks everyone, i'll give the link a chance, seems like i'll have to take an entire day to get it set up.

Boss over here doesn't even know about the game portion of me running boot camp. We have one program that generates all of our paperwork and it is windows based, so we have to use remote desktop to the server every single time we do ANYTHING work related. I suggested boot camp because he gets off on the mac thing and said no. He's trying to be the IT guy as well, instead of just hiring someone that knows what they are doing....

But thanks again!
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#6 Jul 09 2012 at 4:05 PM Rating: Decent
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mmmkay,
Went through all this, downloaded Xcode, macports, and wine....now to download the game I have to purchase it again...guess i should take this as a sign that i should leave this as a "after hours hobby"...

Oh well, thanks for the help everyone
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#7 Jul 10 2012 at 1:22 AM Rating: Good
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Loordstewie wrote:
Anyone heard anything about SE putting out a version for Mac OS? I'd love to be able to play at work when I have down time, but boss won't let me run the boot camp and install windows (worried about viruses....wth?)

Strange that isnt it, I am very anti MAC for that very reason. Spend a lot of money getting a MAC just to boot camp on to Windows, if you shop around the software available on a MAC is available on a Windows.

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Lonix wrote:
Loordstewie wrote:
Anyone heard anything about SE putting out a version for Mac OS? I'd love to be able to play at work when I have down time, but boss won't let me run the boot camp and install windows (worried about viruses....wth?)

Strange that isnt it, I am very anti MAC for that very reason. Spend a lot of money getting a MAC just to boot camp on to Windows, if you shop around the software available on a MAC is available on a Windows.

Edited, Jul 10th 2012 3:23am by Lonix


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Last week I just started playing again, and I'm running FFXI on Parallels 7 (still on the free demo period for Parallels). It's flawless. And it's awesome to not have to leave the OSX environment. You can use Spaces in Mac OS to have FFXI running full screen in one of the spaces, and keep Safari open or whatever else in the other spaces. I really am thrilled with how it's worked out. The up-side is I happen to have a Windows XP license from many many years ago that I've kept. So that didn't cost me anything extra. If I end up buying Parallels though, the lowest price around 40 bucks. Still not too bad.

I"m all for a native version for Mac OSX, just don't see it happening, and it's not really necessary with Parallels and the other options around.


I can't get it to run on my Air in a way I'm happy with on the OS X side. The graphics are glitchy if I use an XP VM, and the whole VM crashes (as in not just Windows, it's like it blue screens) at the character selection screen when I use a Win7 VM.

So I now use Boot Camp to play FFXI. Can't play it when I'm working (aka, on the OS X side).
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#10 Jul 10 2012 at 7:30 AM Rating: Good
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mmmkay,
Went through all this, downloaded Xcode, macports, and wine....now to download the game I have to purchase it again...guess i should take this as a sign that i should leave this as a "after hours hobby"...

Oh well, thanks for the help everyone

The methods listed on that link are dated and, even knowing how to do it (I've done it with all the little annoying wine hacks / wine tricks to get it running right), it's still a pain to get it going that way properly. For a newbie in wine, I wouldn't recommend it. For someone who lives and breathes wine, I still wouldn't recommend it, because having done it myself, I can say without a doubt it just works better in a virtual environment. There are many virtual environments available on OSX, some work better than others. Parallels had it's high points (most notably native-osx-style simulation, where it trimmed the application to fit in it's own window and was launched from a shortcut on your desktop / made it feel like citrix), but I found it really ate my hard-drive alive (I could hear it cranking at my hard drive pretty much 24/7, which is what drove me to look into a Wine-based solution in the first place). Today I'd recommend trying multiple, and using the lightest weight VM you can find. VirtualBox works very good and offers several features that may come in handy, you can download the DMG file right from their site. Qemu is older and a bit out of date, but I found it surprisingly light weight and it worked really well.

If you 'must' have a wine solution, take my advice and use whichever version of wine you can get pre-configured for STEAM (there are many just a google search away). Then install FFXI right from STEAM, it will save you a lot of hassle as it takes care of the proper DX pieces, and if it's preconfigured for steam, it will most likely have the core pieces you'll need to render text / html properly (these are two things almost every complex app has a problem with in Wine, since internet explorer 'as we know it' isn't there, so there are components you 'need' to install to make these things work better and give the applications the ability to render those elements or you'll get blank buttons and black screens etc). A commercial version of wine like Crossover does a pretty good job of this, and they have a small faq on which games are supported, where FFXI is listed as 'gold' and there are comments from the users on how to get it up and running (I had it running best with Crossover, but today there are MANY more options for OSX wine that are free and probably do just as well, when I did this it was years ago). Here's a quote from Crossover users, from here http://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/browse/name/?app_id=22;tips=1

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First of all install a new (winxp based) bottle on cxgames. Then install this on your new bottle (mine is called playonline )
CrossOver HTML engine
Microsoft XML Parser (MSXML) 3.0
Microsoft DirectX Runtime
Microsoft DirectX Runtime (Download)
Microsoft XML Parser
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Most likely your best bet today for a 'free' wine solution would be to use Wineskin, and try to match up the cores with whatever the most recent Crossover gaming solution is using (it's got a very clean core / framework selection utility built right in), but keep in mind that at some point along the line, you are still going to find yourself going **********, if only I had the full windows environment", so a VM is still what I'd recommend.



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#11 Jul 10 2012 at 8:42 AM Rating: Decent
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Drusenija wrote:


I can't get it to run on my Air in a way I'm happy with on the OS X side. The graphics are glitchy if I use an XP VM, and the whole VM crashes (as in not just Windows, it's like it blue screens) at the character selection screen when I use a Win7 VM.

So I now use Boot Camp to play FFXI. Can't play it when I'm working (aka, on the OS X side).


It's very good on a quad core MacBook Pro (I have the 2GHz Sandy Bridge model). I have Parallels set to use 1 CPU and 2GB of RAM (I have 8GB in the machine).

The Air doesn't have as much horsepower so it's bogging down I guess.

For anyone interested in trying it to run FFXI in Parallels, is you have any quad core Mac, you should be fine.
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I would highly recommend boot camp if it's an option, I have both OS X and Win 7 on a Intel 520 SSD in a Early 2011 MBP 17" and the game looks and runs fantastic on the Windows side. I removed my super drive and used the 750gb SATA drive as a secondary drive where my personal folders for both OS's sit on separate partitions. It's a nice solution and I've never lamented the loss of the super drive. Only trick is setting up both OS's before removing the drive, I was never able to get boot camp to see the USB key with the Win 7 install on it.
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Wint is correct that Bootcamp is the best solution, no doubt about that, it's pure native windows (without a native bios), and is what I run 99.9% of the time, but the original post is specifically asking for a solution that can be used from within the OSX side, and again specifically, isn't Bootcamp because their boss doesn't want them to.

One thing to consider, if you have one lying around, is to bring in a cheap netbook or laptop, you could continue to do your job but also have FFXI running on a separate machine next to your 'work' machine, but your boss may still have the same 'virus' concerns if you are connected to the local network.
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I guess my reply wasn't specifically to the OP. Your solution I think is the best, trying to finagle this to run natively in OS X is almost always going to be more trouble than its worth.
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I haven't messed with the new Virtualbox much, but just for the **** of it I downloaded the FFXI trial, Installed Virtualbox, Installed Windows XP on a virtual machine, enabled Virtualbox 3d Accelleration, rebooted into safe-mode on the VM, installed the DirectX tools that come with it, mounted a shared drive (where I downloaded the FFXI trial to) and am currently installing. I'm at work so I can't keep FFXI running, but I'll let you know how things go, this newer Virtualbox so far is SUPER smooth, holy crap... drive doesn't get ground to a halt, uses almost no resources... it's fantastic. Where were OSX virtual machines like this when I was younger?
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Is this not essentially the same as the thing you weren't supposed to install?

Edit: Nevermind, hah. Wrong poster.

Edited, Jul 10th 2012 11:16am by AshOnMyTomatoes
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As a quick update, it worked - but had some hickups once I installed DX9. May work better with windows 7, but the 3d3 emulated videocard driver seems pretty flakey. In my initial configuration I had 30 fps np, after many updates, it was down to 7 fps. Was an interesting project to learn what the VM could output though.

I'll do some testing on Win7 over VBox at a later date, be interesting to see what the newer breed of DX emulation can offer through Virtual Box.
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I play on my boot camp partition. I tried playing in Parallels and I always had problems with the graphics not playing nice.
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The Air doesn't have as much horsepower so it's bogging down I guess.


I don't think that's it necessarily, I suspect it's your dedicated graphics card giving better DirectX support inside the VM. Guild Wars for example runs just fine under Parallels on the Air, as do some other 3D games; FFXI however doesn't like something about the configuration. The game itself runs fine under a VM, just it looks glitchy. Windows 7 Boot Camp when run under Parallels crashes out entirely (don't know why), but under Boot Camp proper works just fine, so I switch to Windows when I want to play FFXI. No big deal.
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The Air doesn't have as much horsepower so it's bogging down I guess.


I don't think that's it necessarily, I suspect it's your dedicated graphics card giving better DirectX support inside the VM. Guild Wars for example runs just fine under Parallels on the Air, as do some other 3D games; FFXI however doesn't like something about the configuration. The game itself runs fine under a VM, just it looks glitchy. Windows 7 Boot Camp when run under Parallels crashes out entirely (don't know why), but under Boot Camp proper works just fine, so I switch to Windows when I want to play FFXI. No big deal.

I had issues with graphics after the upgrade to dx9 because of how the VM drivers work. To resolve this, I deleted the Directx folder in the windows registry. After a reboot, it had reverted back to DX8 and all graphics errors disappeared.
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Parallels is in a bundle now for $50

Its the iStack Mac Bundle.
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I had issues with graphics after the upgrade to dx9 because of how the VM drivers work. To resolve this, I deleted the Directx folder in the windows registry. After a reboot, it had reverted back to DX8 and all graphics errors disappeared.


Was that the HKLM\Software\Microsoft\DirectX folder? Just tried that, hasn't solved the issue though.
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Anyone heard anything about SE putting out a version for Mac OS? I'd love to be able to play at work when I have down time, but boss won't let me run the boot camp and install windows (worried about viruses....wth?)

Strange that isnt it, I am very anti MAC for that very reason. Spend a lot of money getting a MAC just to boot camp on to Windows, if you shop around the software available on a MAC is available on a Windows.

Edited, Jul 10th 2012 3:23am by Lonix


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Just did a quick trial and downgraded back to Parallels 6. FFXI on Windows 7 works just fine under that, so might need to have a chat with the support team and see if they'll change my licence from a Parallels 7 to 6 licence, or if there's anything else I can try to fix it.

Windows XP under Parallels 7 still has graphical issues, so I'm tempted to just ignore that now that I have Windows 7 working.
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Just did a quick trial and downgraded back to Parallels 6. FFXI on Windows 7 works just fine under that


After a quick play through over lunch, I feel I should clarify. "Works just fine" means the game starts, you can log in and everything looks as pretty as a picture... since the frame-rate is sub 5fps. Admittedly that's running in Coherance mode, so proper full screen may speed it up, but looks like I'll have to keep using Boot Camp for the moment. This does however mean I can have it logged in in the background whilst at work for LS chat and AH camping I suppose.
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For anyone interested in Parallels 7, there's a seller on eBay selling "electronic download" version for $33. I can tell you first hand it works great. I was nearing the end of my Parallels trial, and I wasn't feeling spending more than $50, I didn't even want to spend the $40+ it usually sells for on eBay.

I also didn't want to wait for a box to ship to me (as that would have meant me being unable to log in FFXI for a few days. Oh the horror!). So I was glad to have found this.

Edited, Jul 12th 2012 3:09pm by ticojpunk
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I dabbled with some different wine distributions today to see how the OSX iterations have come along since I last used them. They are much faster than before, and in some aspects more stable and impressive graphics wise (as far as what an empty bottle provides vs what it used to provide), but most of the old problems still exist today once in game.

Primarily, windower doesn't work, which is more or less a deal-breaker for most FFXI users these days. I tried a few different versions of windower, installed all the appropriate winetricks (ole, all appropriate font files, html engines, xml parsers, and all the wine-trick dotnetFX releases in sequential order), but was unable to get windower to work properly.

I did manage to get the windower 4.0 alpha to hook into POL, but upon starting FFXI it would crash with a request to install directx 8.1 (which was not an error I was encountering without windower). Upon installing the directx winetricks as well as the dx8.1 install from the ffxi trial files, there was no change in the message.

Just for the **** of it I've decided to do the last method (from what I can remember of how I did it... this was a long time ago...) I used to get FFXI installed in a wine environment on OSX via Steam. I'll check back in when that is done, but my curiosity will have to end there, since I have neglected a good share of work I was supposed to be doing in favor of experimenting with this.
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So I need help on this as well.

I have Bootcamp installed, my FFXI and everything. The only thing I need help and clarification on is my windows version.

I do not have an extra Windows version lying around. So it is either buying one or torrenting it. I have heard torrent versions are not that good but its an option.

Now what version should I be focusing on getting.

Windows 7 or try and get a Windows XP Professional....Bootcamp seems to want a Windows 7 version. Any help would be appriciated.
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I use Windows 7. Honestly it probably would be easier to use Windows 7 but I can't recommend torrenting it. Even if the version you get isn't virus laden, you will still need a key.
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So I need help on this as well.

I have Bootcamp installed, my FFXI and everything. The only thing I need help and clarification on is my windows version.

I do not have an extra Windows version lying around. So it is either buying one or torrenting it. I have heard torrent versions are not that good but its an option.

Now what version should I be focusing on getting.

Windows 7 or try and get a Windows XP Professional....Bootcamp seems to want a Windows 7 version. Any help would be appriciated.


Making an educated guess on how you present yourself, I'd recommend windows 7 just to make it easier.

Anything above windows XP will be fine. These days most people prefer windows 7, but a fully upgraded windows vista will perform similarly as well. If you have an older system windows XP will almost undoubtedly be capable of running faster on it, but if you have a newer system, Windows 7 will make the installation process less painful (built in support for the newer adapters that may otherwise stop windows XP from being able to install smoothly without doing a slipstream, which is something I wouldn't recommend to someone who doesn't have copies of windows lying around).

Legal copies of windows are always preferred, but .... you do what you gotta do ;)
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Thank you, I appreciate the help.

And ya I am not the most computer savvy person. I get the gist of most of it but otherwise I need help. Going through wine seems to difficult for me so bootcamp was the next best choice.

Ok now the decision is to see if I want to drop 150 or so on Windows 7. I would prefer not to torrent but I am looking at all my options.

Again thanks for the help.
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Incidentally, there is a hack to allow you to do a full install of an upgrade version of windows 7. Not that I would condone this normally, but hey, at least you're willing to pay for software and you get a big Smiley: thumbsup from me for that.

http://www.mydigitallife.info/clean-install-windows-7-with-upgrade-media-and-product-key-on-formatted-or-empty-blank-hard-drive/

Also, you might be able to save some cash using an OEM version. I'm not sure bootcamp qualifies but then again, I don't know that anyone would actually check:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986
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Sorry, thought I'd dig this up again since I've had some breakthroughs on my MacBook Air. Created a new XP virtual machine and instead of putting FFXI on the virtual hard drive, stored the data on the Mac side and shared it using shared folders in Parallels. Originally did the same thing but using my Boot Camp partition instead.

Whilst performance is far from the best, it's still very playable (Gusgen Mines with a full alliance often drops to 5-10fps, but I'm sitting 15-20 most of the time at 800x600 background resolution and 1440x900 overlay), and it means I don't need to reboot from Mac to Windows to play FFXI anymore. At this point, the graphics trade off is worth the convenience for me.

Still can't get it to work with Windows 7 though, no matter what I do, it crashes at the character select screen. I've raised a ticket with Parallels - they've since closed the ticket but said they've passed it onto their next level support team to look at. At this point I'm not holding my breath though. So I'll stick with my XP virtual machine and my slightly sub-par performance FFXI.
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