So, then where do we draw the line at where cheating is acceptable and when it is not? Why is it ok here and not ok where someone else might see an unfair system in place in their opinion? Who decides what constitutes unfair or even what is cheating and what isn't? SE? The playerbase as a whole? The most active and vocal members of the forums? There's a lot of aspects of the game I think are inadequate and unfair, and have gear I'd like within them. Would it be ok if I cheated my way through any and all of those as long as I'm comfortable with doing so?
Who decides what is acceptable? SE and the Playerbase. Its about agreement of what is acceptable between the parties.
What does 'fair' have to do with 'cheating' ? The rules could be that 'every elvaan get 1 mil gil at jp midnight, while non-elvaan players do not' Then a 3rd party tool which breaks this UNFAIR rule would be 'cheating'.
If the loudest members of the forum decided, then it would be 'pure democracy' (ie MOB RULE).
Would it be okay for you to cheat your way thru content? Whether its 'ok' or not is entirely based upon your beliefs. I don't care if you cheat thru it as long as it doesn't negatively impact me. Do you feel the EULA is something you really 'Agreed to' ? Do you feel a strong conviction of the 'terms and conditions' of this recreational activity that you would feel immoral to not abide by them? In solo games, you only cheat yourself. It is a question of what the experience means to you.
Personally I think the moral Implications of 'cheating' are lessened significantly in this context. The only moral issue imo is that of the 'agreement' between myself and SE.
I think the confusion and most the conflict comes from forum posters using and blending different definitions of Cheating.
I believe these 3 definitions apply to this discussion
1. To violate rules or regulations
2. To defraud or swindle; to deceive
3. Act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage
The first is the definition which myself, and I believe most other who are defending 'cheating' are focusing on.
The regulation being violated is the use of 3rd party software in the EULA. No one is disputing that its a violation of the EULA. There are a lot of arguments about the validity of EULA's in general. Legal decisions have differed whether its valid or not.
In this context, the only parties which should be concerned would be between individual players and Square-Enix. It is understandable where other players might become concerned when the use of 3rd party tools impacts the game experience of others. In FFXI, this was most apparent in claiming HNM's when flee-hacking and claim-bots were being used excessively.
SE's interests will be mixed.
The business side wants to keep as many subscriptions as possible. IF 3rd party tools chase away customers, they will stomp on them. If 3rd party tools encourage customers they will ignore them.
Flee-hacking and claim-bots which significantly impact the competitive nature of the game will cause a negative effect. Most windower plugins will correct or improve user-interface limitations and enhance the game-play experience.
If Windower was disabled or could not longer be used, I think I would stop playing. However, I would be perfectly happy if they simply improved UI elements within the game. Then Windower would become obsolete.
The second definition of cheating includes defraud, deceive or swindle. I don't see how anyone is being deceitful. Even a player who is an obtuse, elitist jerks is not being deceitful. Most players who use windower or other tools are rather open about it. This openness rather says they are not deceitful. We like the game and want it to be a fun game to play together with others. However, we don't accept the lack of responsiveness from SE on several points of gameplay and/or user interface.
At this point it usually becomes a point of submissiveness. Do you agree or disagree that a player should be submissive to SE over these items. If you want to condemn me for 'cheating'
for not agreeing with the design and EULA, then my questions is "WHY!?"
The answers I can imagine are not nice. So instead of listing them, I really would be interested in hearing some honest answers to that one.
Eula is civil, contract law. It is not criminal law. It is not "irrefutable, higher power law". It is about an agreement between me and SE.
This seems to me to be parallel to being angry at a co-worker for making more money than you/I do. I wouldn't be angry with them or judge them. Their contract over how much they make has nothing to do with me. I would try to get a raise, or improve my performance or find a new job.
The 3rd definition could apply.. slimly... Windower, dat swaps, and other tools do provide some 'advantage' over other players or over the 'game makers'... If you want to look at it from that perspective. However, this is only relevant in a competitive system. FFXI is by and large, NOT a competitive system. Nyzul Ilse 2.0 is certainly NOT a competitive system. You are not competing with other players for points, or standing or anything... Unless you really think that having shinier gear is a status symbol (in which case I will point and laugh alot)... There is very little player competition in this game, and the context of this thread certainly is not included.
Us 'Cheaters' have explained our position and complaints thoroughly in this thread. Ofcourse I think we have a valid position in the argument.
However, I want to hearWHY
anyone is so offended at this? All I have heard so far about why, is that "cheating is evil and morally wrong". It really doesn't address the concerns or position as one such as myself at all. I am not a 'BG elitist'; I don't trash talk other players; I don't fit that category.