Nyzul Uncharted: nice gear, cheater!Follow

Yay for not reading my post so this is my only response to your post. It sounds stupid becuase what you said is stupid.

And just so you know you would loose that bet. I play on 360 and only use the official windower on my pc.(Which I rarely use, I prefer playing on 360) So if you really want to list A resource specifically listed by square on their website as cheat I only use 1.

What's authority got to do with cheating yourself out of playing a game you're paying for? You sound like the sort of person who says stupid things for effect without thinking them through.

Don't attempt to try and make cheating out to be something noble or excusable - it's not. It's cheating. If you want to cheat then go ahead. No one cares. Just don't show off your gear like you earned it - you didn't.

If the event is too hard for you then go and complain on the official board or on here and like everything else in the game it will eventually get dumbed down until it's no challenge. Or if that doesn't work then don't do the event at all - if no one does it, SE will have to 'fix' it.



Exactly.








Edited, Jun 27th 2012 1:37am by jtftaru

Also, why the hell has the unofficial windower ALWAYS had perfect clipping, and the official windower STILL has incorrect clipping?

Eh, that's a matter of opinion... I've played plenty of games where mid-battle equipment switching is allowed and even encouraged. One such example is the Dragon Quest series. It doesn't even cost you a turn in battle to switch weapons.

Even if we look at games with non-turn-based combat, my main squeeze before this game was Diablo 2, and in that game gear could also be switched on the fly, and it even had a feature where two different weapon configurations could be swapped at the press of a button.

You're trying too hard here and getting way too upset about this. If you feel perfectly justified then there's little reason to get angry. Wiki is the sharing of information between players, which is what SE wanted us to do when they designed the game to be so purposely uninformative. They may not have expected us to do it in the form of a website but they did expect us to communicate with and share experiences with each other. To compare the sharing of info with altering game files or using flee or clipping hacks is just ridiculous.



So every time I find what I feel is a flaw with the game, I should just cheat my way around it in any way I see fit? I feel I have a good reason, so it's cool with you guys right? Fishing is annoying so I'll just bot it. Buying chocobo blinkers is too slow for me so I'll bot that too. Claiming Gukumatz is annoying so I'll claim bot it. Movement speed is too slow and chocobos can't go in caves so I'll just flee everywhere. I shouldn't have to do a quest to get past a door so I'll just walk through it. I need a preposterous amount of gil and even now the game doesn't spit it out fast enough, but my bank account is feeling fat right now so why not RMT?

Let's start this off right: F*ck you

I am none of these things. I just recognize a definite problem with Nyzul lamps. Your patronizing expose isn't necessary.


You could not be missing the point harder.

Fishing system? Not bullsh*t. They fixed it. You tend to catch things whether you fish manually or by botting. You actually have to do things, but it also gives you something to do instead of casting ten times for one fish.

Buying chocobo blinkers? Not bullsh*t. It's not like you have a 5 minute window per day to buy as many as possible that a bot would get you any more in the end.

Claiming mobs? Not bullsh*t. The game doesn't randomly give your mob to someone else if you didn't claim with a bot.

Movement speed? Not bullsh*t. Travel time is a legitimate worldfeel thing. Gee, there's actually things that increase movement speed though, so you don't even have to cheat to get it.

Door that requires a quest? Not bullsh*t. If every 3rd time you used the door you had to redo the quest, but another quest required you to enter the door four times, that would be just silly and still borderline. Guess what: They just added ways around needing other people to get around Garliage and Eldieme doors.

Gil? Definitely not bullsh*t. See, now you're talking about violating something SE has finally done right and does keep a pretty good finger on. XI's economy is quite stable and fairly RMT free anymore.

The examples I gave are widely accepted because because they solve bullsh*t. That's the best descriptor I have for it, and SE definitely has a very special brand of it that calls for certain measures like the ones given. It's a categorization where player workarounds are or should be widely accepted (unlike your examples, which are plain cheats), and Nyzul Lamps definitely fall in there.

But if you'd read the whole goddamn post and use your brain instead of rubbing your snobbish attitude everywhere, I was justifying just lamp .dats, not flee/clip tools. I'd throw a wild guess that half of Neo Nyzul run losses (coming up short anyway, so even if you manage a floor 80 boss) are because of lamps, and the other half are bad jumps (gee, another stupid luck mechanic). They are a sh*t mechanic and far too dynamic a 'puzzle' for such a hard-timed event.

Edited, Jun 27th 2012 6:33am by Raelix

I dat swapped away the confluxes in abyssea. I did so because I dual box, and the confluxes cause irrational graphics card lag on my machine. Is that cheating? It is technically against the ToS. I'm also looking to dat swap the planar rifts for Voidwatch for the same reason. I also dat swapped several of the sound tracks. All against the terms of service.

If that isn't cheating, neither is dat swapping nyzul.

One gives you a clear advantage over players who don't do the same, whereas the other gives no advantage. That's the key difference.

I guess you might say that both are technically cheating, but only one is an exploit?

You've taken the same action: swapping dat files. It's against the terms of service in either case. Its also undetectable by SE in either case. You can't have it both ways, either dat swapping is cheating or its not.

Edited, Jun 27th 2012 11:13am by AshOnMyTomatoes

Cheating and breaking the ToS are not equivalent. There are areas where they overlap. There are ways you can violate the ToS without cheating (e.g. verbally harassing other players). And because "cheating" is an idea with some wiggle room, you can cheat without violating the ToS, depending on what your own personal view of cheating is.

It's not entitlement to expect events to make some sense. At least in something like Salvage, you could reasonably expect to kill bosses you set out to kill, and it was still flawed. Wanting to beat Neo Nyzul, that's wanting your work to matter. How someone goes about that, cheating or .dat swapping or whatever you do, well that's the argument. But entitled? No, not at all.

Next you'll tell me Hugh Laurie isn't really a doctor, and I REFUSE TO BELIEVE THAT!