Nyzul Uncharted: nice gear, cheater!Follow

Thank you both very much. I really appreciate the knowledge. ^^

I think I might give it a go. But... going to cap enhancing magic first. (OH JOY, Empyreal Paradox here I come.)

Camiie, you really don't know Byrth well enough to make those judgments. You are getting too personal in your criticism. I don't see venom in Byrth's response. I do see some indignation. I can understand why he would take the insult personally, it is pointed at him.

Byrth is one of the smartest and laid back players I've talked to. He has put in alot of time and effort to discover and share helpful information with the online community. I have not seen him post negative or derogatory comments on other players. I haven't seen elitism, bad manners or bad attitude from Byrth over many posts on Zam, BG, and FFxiah forums.

I'm thankful for the work Byrth and other players have done to enrich the FFXI player community.

Nyzul 2.0 has flaws in it's design. I don't think there are many here to disagree with that. I think a few user interface changes to help in that event are no big deal. I have not actually made a run on the event yet, but I expect I'll use fillmode and I've downloaded Byrth's dat mod files. The UI trouble in FFXI has been ongoing for a long time. SE has made a few baby steps to improve it recently, but it is still insufficient.

I don't condone flee hacking, as it can damage the play quality for other players. I don't see it as a big deal in Nyzul however. Its not a competitive part of the game like claiming ground kings has been.

As far as the argument about it affecting how SE perceives the quality of Nyzul 2.0 and how to adjust it, I don't believe that argument has a leg to stand on. SE has made plenty of historical precedent as far as how quickly or responsive they will be to details like Nyzul 2.0.

I think most ppl who complain about those getting gear in Nyzul 2.0 are jealous and pay just as much credit to showing off gear as the ones who do brag that they have better gear and criticize those who don't. The only difference is who has it and who doesn't.
I also think alot of the players who get on a high-horse about it, would use the same tools in many cases. I think the difference would be technical know-how or willingness to learn how to use the tools.
but I'm just guessing, Anyone reading might know if they fit this or not.

So calling me a self-righteous idiot isn't insulting and personal? He knows me well enough to make that claim? Oh well, different standards for different posters I guess. At least I haven't been scolded by the mods yet.



Why do you think I expected better from him than hacks, cheats, insults, and weak justifications? I appreciate all that he and others have done as well. Lord knows, when it comes to math and strategy I'm an abject failure. No one enjoys helpful information more than someone like me. I need all the help I can get.

Does it earn him a lot of respect? Sure, of course it does. I do have respect for him despite how it may seem. Does hacking his way through Neo-Nyzul invalidate everything he's done? No. Does everything he's done justify hacking his way through Neo-Nyzul or being so defensive about it? Not to me.



Is the opacity of walls really a UI issue? They're not supposed to be see-through. And the lamps are supposed to look the same, and you're supposed to communicate to figure out what you're dealing with. The event is horribly flawed, the UI is primitive, and no one hates lamp floors more than me. I have never once disagreed with the idea that Neo-Nyzul is a sorry excuse for content. I only disagree in how the playerbase is handling it.



I think it becomes a problem when people who can't or won't cheat have to compete with people who do for party/ally spots. The stuff they obtain doesn't exist in a vacuum. It does have some affect on the game world.



I think it will have some bearing on how they'll create future content. Whether that's good or bad remains to be seen. If they see that there's more Neo-Nyzul 100 gear out there than they intended how will they react to that? Will they make the next uber set from the next event even harder to obtain? Can you not see SE doing something like that?



I'm no bastion of virtue, and I'm not immune to jealously, but this isn't me. I can't prove that to you, so you'll obviously believe what you want and there's nothing I can do about it. I have zero problem with people who can get gear from Neo-Nyzul or anywhere else legitimately. If I had problems with everyone who was better geared (or just plain better) than me I'd have problems with a whole heck of a lot of people and I don't.

The phrase "Self control" comes springing to mind. This whole subject and conversation reminds me eerily oh Phantasy Star online, which was absolutely murdered by people with the same mind set that eventually went out of control.

Also the longer this goes on the the more likely square will go after windower then adjusting nyzul.

Forget people who are now compromising their own morals now using "Beaten and broken" as an excuse like fynlar.

How is it any different from when they banned hundreds of people for salvage duping then waited several years to adjust the drop rate? I am not saying square is right, I am not saying nyzul a good event. I am saying much like Camile. Is that the player base is being as much of a pack of idiots about this as square is. At the end of the day it's square who decides how they want it this game to be played. Everything people are doing in nyzul is a clear violation.(Those utilizing the dat swaps and flee hacking) and the exact same thing was said about the salvage. "There is no way they ban anyone" yet once square said they were gonna do something about it 3 months later people were banned in mass, including people who "just happened to be there."

I'm surprised to see community regulars come here and admit to cheating. And the excuses are not clever or noble, they are the same tired rationalizations used by cheaters since forever. It takes a lifetime to build a reputation and one thoughtless act to destroy it.

Here's my confession: Spoilervia windower, I utilize ctrl+v in FFXI.

It's a matter of execution and plausibility.

Lamp .dats solve the problem of solving lamps. Lamps shouldn't be half the problem they are, but are instead a totally random cockblock. Literally a random punch in the **** to a decent run. Even if you know the solution ahead of time, you still have to spread out, figure out what sort of lamps you're dealing with and how many, and deal with both agro and menu time at each.

Lamps have always been the most f*cked up thing to put in a time-critical event like Nyzul, and when Neo-Nyzul has people breaking out Relics and Embrava because of even more expressed time-criticality, you can see exactly how and why people will say 'F*ck. That. Sh*t.'

The problem with lamps isn't even solved by having the .dat mods. They will still **** up a run 50% of the time when everyone has to find a lamp or their own lamp, and that 50% is when flee/clip hacks come into play.

90% of the cheating in Nyzul is because of the goddamn lamps.

Now, it's perfectly plausible to solve these lamps just as quickly with luck as if you had the .dat mods, and perfectly executable that everyone shows up at the right lamp at the right time. Unfortunately SE thinks this occurs with 'the right amount of luck' which is practically never.

This is why nobody with half a brain cares about these particular hacks in Neo-Nyzul. They're solving a broken-*** part of the game that SE is too stupid (Hanlon's Razor in full effect) to realize the absolute and crushing detriment of.

Nobody should care, because lamps are plain and simple bullsh*t.

Edited, Jun 26th 2012 12:28pm by Raelix

You know what Windower does? Solves the bullsh*t of not being able to alt-tab in a Windows environment.

You know what Spellcast does? Solves the bullsh*t of people wanting 100% optimization but only having six lines per macro.

Here's the best one:
You know what Wikis do? Solve the bullsh*t of nothing in this game being guided in the least and quests being sometimes totally random.

These are all methods of 'cheating' that I at least feel are perfectly justified because they solve SE-endorsed bullsh*t. Lamp .dats are pushing it a little, but in the same vein: SE is quite honestly too incompetent or arrogant to see the problem that induces the cheating.

We've tried calling SE in all these cases, and it just doesn't get anything done, so we deal with it ourselves.

So if you're gonna come around and start decrying, criminalizing, and witchhunting for Lamp .dats you'd best get on your high-horse campaign against Windower, Spellcast, and even Wiki use too, because everyone else using these things feel they are for good reason despite being 'cheating'.

Edited, Jun 26th 2012 12:53pm by Raelix

I'd be less annoyed about "luck" if it was a trait like it was in FFX that you could actually see and augment.

Since I haven't recorded all ours drops, I was mostly covering my *** just in case it wasn't 100% for at least one piece.

No. The fact that you said this shows you clearly know nothing about neo nyzul.