Nyzul Uncharted: nice gear, cheater!Follow

How is neo-nyzul different from old nyzul? Honest question, as I have not done it. Why do people need hacks when they didn't need hacks in old nyzul? Are the lamps much harder than before? Is the layout bigger or more complex?

There is so much Nyzul gear out there that it's almost certain that a good portion of it has been acquired legit. I want to make a few points:

-Kill speed is so important, it just cannot be understated. You cannot bring sub-optimal jobs and expect to win regularly.

-With that in mind, for a raid that offers such incredible rewards, it's probably entirely worth your time to level and gear an optimal job for it. SCH is not hard to gear (it's difficult to reach 500 enhancing, but getting it to a point where you can cap magical haste with Haste spell is easy). SAM is easy to gear. A good BLU is so invaluable it's ridiculous, but requires a lot more effort.

-Increasing your movement speed via hacks will give you a very high win rate, but will very likely get you suspended. However, this should give you a good idea of how important powder boots are to a successful run. Yeah they may be 80k each but you should carry enough to full time them and always have one ready to go (ditch your normal feet gear and full time powder boots).

-Skype or some type of voice chat is essentially mandatory. You can't easily type and run.

-Communicate. Have an idea of how you are going to split up on floors. You lose precious seconds when somebody doesn't says "I'm at lamp, should I hit it? Should I hit? I'm gonna hit it... Hit!" Have an idea of who is stopping to clear this room, who is going to keep running. Do you need to team up on this nm? Is it that ****** pudding that needs to be skillchained? Is it that ******* flayer that uses unbridled learning? Is that Byakko? Might wanna take it first and switch targets when he uses PD.

-Even with Embrava and Regen you can still die. A lot of people forget this.

-Lamp dats are a sticky issue for me. They are extremely useful and can easily be the difference between winning and losing. As far as I know they are essentially undetectable, particularly if you keep all your chat on skype. I personally think it's cheating, but you're not going to get caught for it.

-Other small tips include having accession up for the next floor, casting sneak immediately upon zoning up, using powder boots for specified enemy/enemies, leader, and lamp floors, using body boost at start and middle of the run, everybody having sprinters/clerics, everybody should have a ranged attack of some sort for "do not aggro gear" floors.

There's too much gear out there for everybody to be cheaters. Even if you only win one out of every 10-20 times, you are guaranteed to get a piece of gear that is best in slot for multiple jobs. The most important thing is persistence.

You can skip floors just like you used to be able to :P

That's the key to winning of course, and how luck plays a role in getting to the top. You skip a random number of floors, up to 9 or 10 at a single pass if I'm not mistaken.

Edited, Jun 21st 2012 3:02pm by AshOnMyTomatoes

I, too, have yet to do neo nyzule, but that is the stupidest thing I have ever heard... You can't save progress? I can understand why people cheat. I need to look at the neo nyzule gear and see what all the fuss is about. Anyone care to mention the new names of the sets so I can wiki them please?

Was mentioned off the top, I think

edit: beat me to it!

Also, agreed about the Thaumas coat.

I wouldn't mind the refresh pants for my brd either

Edited, Jun 21st 2012 1:18pm by Olorinus

They won't modify Neo-Nyzul to allow people to beat it regularly without the need for third party tools (or .dat mods for things like lamps) just because, as I mentioned before in the other Nyzul topic, they didn't intend for players to beat it on a regular basis. They made it heavily luck based to make the gear rarer, because climbing to floor 100 without flee hacks, mods to .dats for lamps, etc would require a consistent string of lucky jumps and easy floors for those jumps, which isn't something that would likely happen very often.

Edited, Jun 21st 2012 5:05pm by Vlorsutes

No actually by your own earlier post, you'd change it to "Play as you like because you want to lord it over someone" since you apparently think people who cheat actually care what people without that gear think. In my opinion both mindsets, that of the person who lords it over, and that of the super casual victim, are about equally likely to be the case.

Most of the best skilled and geared players I meet and know don't care about super casuals. In fact, they'd prefer if there were none so their time wasn't wasted.

The people who want events to be exclusionary and gear to be rare definitely care about their prestige compared to others. You could say they care about a challenge and longevity of play, but if they're cheating their way through Neo-Nyzul they obviously don't care about that.

I don't know what you mean by super casual victim. I never painted anyone as that. When I say lording their gear over others I mean acting as if it's some sign of superiority. It's not, especially if it's gained by cheating. That's not victimizing anyone, it's just acting like a d-bag with a poor perspective on life.



I guess that's why we can choose who we play with then.



The ironic thing is these people cheating their way up Neo-Nyzul are the ones who beg for content that's hard and don't want gear just handed out. They SAY those things then they cheat their rears off because maybe they aren't as awesome as they thought they were. Or maybe they didn't really want a challenge so much as content they could win but that excluded most everyone else.

Edited, Jun 21st 2012 5:58pm by Camiie

Clearing 20 floors is hard, difficult. Clearing 20 floors only to time out on floor 63 is bullsh*t. Players do want difficult content, but governing the entire event using a high degree of chance is not the way.

Edited, Jun 21st 2012 5:43pm by xypin

Hmm. No tvtropes link to "Nintendo Hard" yet.

Well, I'm not going to be the one responsible for people trapped in a Lost Woods of tabs.

For Nyzul Isle Uncharted, shouldn't the proper link be "Luck Based Mission" instead?

Except you are.