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#1 May 03 2012 at 4:36 PM Rating: Decent
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Who here uses an SSD for FFXI and can comment on the differences between this and a standard SATA III HDD, in terms of how FFXI runs. I imagine loading the game will be faster, but the entire login process takes several clicks as it is. Is there much wait time loading between POL and clicking through to terms and then finally character selection screen, or is the load time about the same time given the networking also being done at same time? Are zone loads noticeably faster or is it again limited to data coming from the network?


Edit: is there a pol registry settings for the location of log files, so that if FFXI is installed to an SSD, can I change the location of the log files so to limit writes to the SSD disk, and have the log files stored to a normal HDD.

Edited, May 3rd 2012 6:41pm by shibaaa
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#2 May 03 2012 at 5:50 PM Rating: Good
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It makes virtually no difference for XI, because you're waiting on the server most of the time, not the HDD or SSD.

Windows, on the other hand...
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I do, but I don't believe it's installed on my SSD.

It should help with uhhh zone loading a bit. Not much though, as Docent said.
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I have my OS and programs installed on a SSD. I can't tell you how much better it is due to the SSD on its own since the entire PC is new, and my previous non-SSD experience was on a PC that is now 6 years old.
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I was the weirdo that had XI installed on a Flash drive so I could run it on a netbook with an 8 gig hard drive.

It ran decently enough considering the low res graphics (by necessity) but I did notice that cutscenes especially loaded a bit faster.

I've been planning on purchasing an SSD as part of my next round of upgrades, but that's more for XIV at this point.
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I run dual SSD in a raid config and don't notice any difference from before. But when things screw up, boy oh boy can I reboot fast. :P
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#7 May 04 2012 at 9:18 AM Rating: Good
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Like Docent said, no real difference. I have FFXI on an Intel X25-M, it loads about as fast as it always has.
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#8 May 05 2012 at 6:01 PM Rating: Good
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Most of the game chews on hardcoded delays. Someone found the one for fade in/out of characters on equipment change, but you still lost target and the address jumped around every single patch, not to mention sometimes a piece wouldn't load at all for half a second anyway.

This game could do for some very simple caching. Combine that or an SSD with the above re-found and you might get some better in-game snappiness.
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#9 May 06 2012 at 1:17 AM Rating: Good
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Are those SSD's worth the cost then? I heard a lot of hype over how they're faster, but when you compare prices you're only getting around a tenth of the storage of a regular HDD for much greater cost. For that sort of storage reduction, it would have to be blisteringly fast for me to consider them an viable alternative just yet.

I think my 1.5TB HDD cost around £120, whereas the nearest equivalent in SSD is only 480Gb and costs nearly £450. Is the speed on them just that much better?

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Pricing is getting pretty good, just went under 1$ per GB, I would get one only if your current drive is over three years old or particularly slow.

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What you need to do is have 2 hard drives, a smaller SSD for your apps and your OS, and a larger standard disk HDD for your media.

If all you're running is Windows, Photoshop, and a few video games, an 80-120 GB solid state drive is enough room to easily hold everything.

Set your iTunes folder to the 1TB "media" drive and keep the 500 GB of music and videos safely tucked away from your OS.
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Are those SSD's worth the cost then? I heard a lot of hype over how they're faster, but when you compare prices you're only getting around a tenth of the storage of a regular HDD for much greater cost. For that sort of storage reduction, it would have to be blisteringly fast for me to consider them an viable alternative just yet.

It's totally worth it for everything you want to put on an SSD, which is mostly the OS, but also most game you play currently. Save games, videos, MP3 and those things don't belong on that disc.

FF11, however, doesn't really require the SSD, because you don't hear/see your HDD spinning all the time and lagging the action because it didn't pre-load a sound or texture. You'd see a lot of impact on games like DOOM 3, mass effect or dragon age.

For the most part, the slowest part of a computer is the HDD. Games are too big to fit entirely in RAM, so when you run out of RAM, you start relying on your HDD seek and read speed, which is terribly low. The RPM of a Hard Drive is ridiculously slow compared to the horsepower of a CPU or GPU. When it's waiting for an asset (explosion, sound effect, texture, whatever) before the action can move forward, you really feel the HDD dragging everything else down.

That's why I consider SSD an essential piece of computer hardware these days.
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#13 May 07 2012 at 9:21 AM Rating: Excellent
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I second everything Docent said. I will never build another PC without an SSD in it.

I've actually convinced my office to buy SSDs for all our developers' machines instead of upgrading to complete new machines this last year, and sticking SSDs in our 3-year-old machines gave us a better performance boost than entirely new machines would've.

It does require fairly specific storage habits, but you get used to that. Most of it comes in setup, and after that it becomes second nature. First thing I do after installing Windows 7 is re-point all the standard media folders (Downloads, Music, Videos, etc.) to my secondary HDD so that they don't clutter my SSD. Once you get your media to live comfortably on your HDD, and nothing but pure application data on the SSD, it's a glorious thing. I can't even remember what it's like to click on an application and have to sit there waiting for it to finish loading.

There IS a down-side to SSDs though!!! Be warned!! Some games these days are designed with loading screens that have useful tips and hints on them. For example, Skyrim. As you're loading a game or changing zones on Skyrim, the game displays useful helps/hints about gameplay. You will never see those with an SSD. It loads too fast. :\

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Loading screen tips are sometimes listed on game wikis, so if your machine is too 1337 try searching for a good wiki and you might be able to find them there.
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Same experience as everyone else, I see no perceptible difference between XI running off a hard disk than on an SSD.

I bought my first SSD due to LOTRO's totally dire design which caused zone loading times of 30 secs, which dropped to 5 or so when installed on an SSD, and I've noticed a small decrease in stuttering in Rift, but XI graphically is a lot simpler archirecture-wise and the game was designed to work sensibly on slow networks .. which is one reason it's so hackable, the client does so much more without server consent than many games now .. so hard-disk delays really don't affect it.
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Subadai wrote:
Loading screen tips are sometimes listed on game wikis, so if your machine is too 1337 try searching for a good wiki and you might be able to find them there.

As obvious as it may sound, I never thought to try this...
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Recently bought a 2TB HD for storage purposes, only to see people start talking about SSDs lately. While I'm curious to see the difference, still not sure the prices are in a comfortable range for me. Managed to get the 2TB drive for about $50 on sale since my primary one was quite easily filling up with game data alone. Nowadays I just swap what I'm most frequently playing back and forth to keep the primary drive cleaner with the occasional defrag. Not a big MP3 whore, but I am starting to keep animes and such I download instead of just ferrying them off to the recycle bin after watching.
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I am running it on a Samsung 830 64GB, set up for 6 GB/s transfers.

FFXI does not run better by much, however when you are running anything else while running FFXI, those other applications scream.

Also, though off the point, I put FFXIV on the other SSD I have, and it is now virtually lag free. I can have both FFXI and FFXIV up at the same time, no lag on either.

So in short, SSD is worthwhile if you are multitasking while playing FFXI. The SSD increased the performance much more than any other single upgrade done to my PC.

My system quick specs: i5 760, XFX 6870(nice card for the price), 8GB ram and two 65 GB SSD's. (one I got at Microcenter for only $59 last week).

My 2 cents.
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Seriha wrote:
Recently bought a 2TB HD for storage purposes, only to see people start talking about SSDs lately. While I'm curious to see the difference, still not sure the prices are in a comfortable range for me. Managed to get the 2TB drive for about $50 on sale since my primary one was quite easily filling up with game data alone. Nowadays I just swap what I'm most frequently playing back and forth to keep the primary drive cleaner with the occasional defrag. Not a big MP3 whore, but I am starting to keep animes and such I download instead of just ferrying them off to the recycle bin after watching.

I wouldn't really look at SSDs as a storage upgrade, more of a performance upgrade like buying a newer CPU or video card. So your 2TB HDD was likely still a good investment, even if you turn around a month later and buy an SSD. Which you should do!!

Next time you feel the pain of performance and are craving an upgrade, get yourself an SSD. Trust me. You don't need a huge one, so don't cringe at the $500+ price tags on some of them. A 90GB drive would do just fine, and those have been quickly approaching the $100 mark. Remember, you only need application data on the SSD. Windows, Applications, Games, etc. All your MP3s, anime, pictures, and everything else should live on the HDD, since you don't need screaming fast random access to those files. You probably don't mind waiting a tenth of a second for your 2-hour video to start playing after you double-click it, but you do mind a tenth of a second to load each new texture you encounter in a game.
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what is an SSD for FFXI ?

A Solid State Drive. It shares the same functions as regular Hard Disk Drives, but it has a couple of strengths (faster read time, no seek time, etc.) in exchange for a couple of drawbacks (10x the price point, limited capacity)

Want to know more? Head on to wikipedia.org:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid-state_drive
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#22 May 15 2012 at 12:28 PM Rating: Good
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Having just installed the May update, I'll tell you something SSD's are quicker at. 1 second to install the entire 1001 files of the update.
Once it had downloaded them of course. To be fair it only took 5 seconds om my other dual box comp so it's not earth shatterring.

I've been on this current comp with a primary SSD for my OS and a few other bits for near on a couple of years now.
FFXI being the only 'real' game on the SSD due to how often I play it. And the obvious restriction on space not allowing me much to play with for all my other stuff.

Never had the slightest problem with it.
And as said somewhere above, if you get random crashes at least you know the machine is going to reboot in 10 seconds.
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I will say that 40 GB is probably too small for an OS drive. One of my jobs at work is to keep the drive sizes of the 50 servers I babysit pruned down, and some of the older ones have stupidly tiny OS drives that cause nothing but problems.

I would not go any smaller than 80 GB. That's plenty of room for your OS and most games and a comfortable page file.
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So if I wanted to add a SSD to the computer I built, how would I go about switching windows over to that drive?
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So if I wanted to add a SSD to the computer I built, how would I go about switching windows over to that drive?

I believe that would require reinstalling windows on the new SSD.
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My SSD came with some cloning software, and it copied over the windows installation to the SSD.
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I've always been told that it's better to just completely reinstall Windows onto the SSD as it's better for the drive, but as mentioned, there are ways of cloning your OS over.
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It's probably easier to clone it from a non-techy person perspective, but if you reinstall the OS from scratch you can tweak everything to run the way you want from the get go.

Good ol' Windows XP ran best when you reinstalled it fresh every six months. Win7 can go a few years before it goes all slow and old, but even it will probably run better with a fresh OS install on the SSD.
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hmmm cool. May have to consider. Thanks all.
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It's probably best to install Win 7 directly onto the SSD rather than try to copy an existing build over. Win 7 will detect that you have an SSD and it will actually use different default settings based on that. For example, it won't bother you about defragging your hard drive, it'll turn on trim support, etc.

Keiichim, I suggest making sure you have trim support enabled. That's the big one.
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I've got a netbook with a small SSD. What I like most is I don't have to worry about killing the drive if the computer hits the table or floor too hard.
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