It's an average DD until the puppet gets killed by AoE, then it's a supergimp MNK while they chew on JA delay or have to move out of range trying to get it back up.
"Has access to great DD tools" does not mean it can apply them steadily and readily for that matter. Puppets are still rock-stupid. If you're talking about PUPs with Vereth, they'd do more damage by switching to MNK main.
PUP is good for free powerful nukes, ranged damage on enemies with powerful but <10' AoEs, or making old content laughably easy to solo with Valoredge and cannibal blade. You're assuming that because PUP is some godlike machine of death in one area, that it can do all these things better than jobs dedicated to such.
A real BLM will always outnuke a BLM puppet, mostly by not being stupid.
A real RNG will outdamage a RNG puppet, mostly by not being stupid.
A real WHM will out-heal a WHM puppet, even if just as stupid (which would be someone who can't wipe their own ass).
A real DD will outdamage any puppet and the master, particularly because real DDs aren't stupid and don't sit on 300tp waiting for their master to get to 100tp to SC with.
PUP's greatest failing has always been the puppet AI. The only reason many mobs in this game are any semblance of defeatable is because they are f*cking braindead retarded. Puppets are hardly a step above that.
You're confusing PUPs POTENTIAL, quadruple emphasis to get past your reading difficulties, with their actual performance. On paper PUP is amazing, in practice even with the best gear and parts... not so much.
I was going to stay out of this little fight between you and zelduh becuase you started off mainly correct. A top notch pimped to the 9 pup would have a hard time keeping up with a top notch equipped to the 9 drk war sam or another heavy DD. However this idea that they cannot keep up or beat another generic empy DD or magain DD is false and some of the the problems you listed here are as well. I don't have parses or real number to give you to argue that point so let me just list the points I can argue., If you want to argue the math or fine details of DD verse DD camwin or jinte would be more knowledgeable and be able to better debate with you rather then picking on the resident pup forum groupie.(Others may call him/her a trollXD)
Anyways from the top shall we. If any AOE is enough to kill pet since the various adjustments they made to the attachments, additional traits, and several ways a pup can heal their pet now it should be killing PCs as well. At least a good pups auto anyways. Also if a pup can't keep their pet alive for more than a minute they aren't worth the party slot anyways.
You keep quoting pup AI, and with random tidbits about it's AI that's simply not true. Is it AI perfect? **** no. The melee AI has always been functional so why you decided to list that I have no idea. The mage puppet AI got a work around a couple months ago making it functional and logical most
of the time, I am not gonna lie and say it's suddenly perfect. It's not. Also this idea that the puppet will hold tp until the master has 100 couldn't be more wrong if you tried. You must equip a special attachment known as Inhibator for it to hold tp to do a weaponskill. No pup worth their salt would ever EVER equip that in a party situation and if they did YOU STILL BE WRONG. Reason why? The way that attachment works is it will weaponskill with the FIRST weaponskill it sees to make a skill chain with. No matter who or what made skillchaining possible whether it be another PC, another pc's pet, or the master themselves.
Finally this lovely little list you got here let me break it down for you
A real blms edge over an automaton is in their AOEs and ability to proc. If we are talking just raw damage potential it be a wash unless meteor gets involved. Automatons use to have a massive edge over blms due to ice maker but now the real difference is what I listed above verses a pup ability to sit there and nuke freely, if the pet dies just pop out another one. While blms have to watch their hate and only have manawall or emnitity douse as their defenses against hate(Since most mobs these days at least nms can break down a ss in 1 hit). Additionally the puppet can continue to nuke even while the master is double weak while a blm cannot.
A real Rng suffers the same problem as a real blm does and this is where puppets really shine. Our pets can pump out damage like crazy and not have to worry about gaining hate, they die? Dues ex automata,Ranger lost a lot of their edge since autos have gotten a severely good snapshot and barrage, However your right though a real ranger would out damage the puppet, That's when the masters damage would come into play.
A real whm would be able to out heal a whm puppet. your right here but your wrong on severity. Pups with their pesky limitless mp supply on top of the recent ai changes makes them around as good of healers as dancers. We can heal much more effective and provide a variety of buffs they can't while they have the edge of direct control. Also just like a good dancer can really put the spotlight on just how horrible a bad whm is a puppetmaster can do the same. So no it doesn't take someone who can't wipe their own **** to be as bad as whm frame puppet. Also I think there a body builder somewhere out there who really like to invite you to a locked room with fantastic drapes.
And well I already covered your real DD comment. Utterly and completely wrong.
Also I like to just make something clear. You mentioned the fact how easily autos die as one of their weak points and while it's not as severe the fragility of an auto as you make it out to be I just like to make a point. Our ability to summon pets on a 1 minute timer is a strength not a weakness. It's a strength to be able to unload massive amount of damage and completely loose hate for that damage when our pet dies. It's a strength for the master to be able to throw all of his accumulated hate on a then freshly summoned pet. So that the master can continue to provide damage without worry of gaining hate.
So I ask you, please stop on your little pup hating spree becuase like I said you are properly right about the best pup VS the best War or sam. But you are beyond wrong in just about everything else. So until you know a little more about pup, please, shut up.:)