Fermion wrote:
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An elite who half asses it, isn't elite.
Based on my definition of an elite, as an mmo player with well over a decade of active experience, it's simply someone with elite gear, it's never had anything to do with ability. That's been the generally accepted understanding for as long as I can remember.
That might be the generally accepted understanding amongst gimps, but elite player = elite gear + elite skill + experience.
Your mythical world where someone full timing drone earrings or some other less exaggerated example of not-elite gear still doesn't overcome those with actual elite facets of the entire equation. Plus, the vast majority of the time, those without elite gear have not been through the experience part of the equation as much as those with it.
Fermion wrote:
And we all know that everyone with elite gear is just such an awesome player right?
It's the most likely scenario. Far more likely than a gimp being an awesome player.
Fermion wrote:
Take this example:
Player A is a solid player, who doesn't have all of the latest greatest gear. Lets say he's 5% below optimum, but he's very engaged and paying attention.
Player B is an elite (my definition). He thinks so much of himself, that he's in /t laughing with his elite buddies about how he's going to destroy Player A.
The mob is popped, Player A is on it, he has an <stnpc> macro waiting to go, and he engages as fast as his connection allows. Player B on the other hand doesn't notice immediately, and it takes him an extra second to engage. Who wins?
New example:
All things being equal, say the elite still has a 5% higher ceiling than Player A. In the grand scheme of things, they're both only DDs, and that 5% really doesn't mean much individually.
Let's say the mob has 150k hp and there are 6 DDs in this 1 minute zerg. 150,000 / 60 = 2,500 dps for the alliance.
That comes out to 416 dps per DD. 416 * .95 = 395 dps for Player A.
Substitute Player A for the elite means Player A will take 63s (5% longer) to do 25k. 25,000 / 395 = 63s. But, it's not like the rest of the party disappears for those final 3 seconds, and in .6s, the damage will be made up by the combined damage of the other DDs. So in all reality, you've lost about .6s making the change.
Make all the witty remarks you like, that doesn't change the fact that the contribution of a single DD in a zerg is really not as important as you're trying to make it seem.
So in your first example, you appear to only give credit to Player A for paying attention. What about the elite players that do pay attention (which is the generally accepted definition of being an elite player in the first place)? Furthermore, I've played with a lot of elite players. They simply do not do what you say they do. They might do so in some unimportant, PUG group like a cake-walk Kaggen or Pil, but they aren't going to do important content except with players whose skill + gear + experience they trust. I call Non Sequitur on your myth of an example.
But wait, in your second example, even if the elite player wins, you still discount that (but apparently you didn't discount it in example one.) Hmmm, why am I not surprised about the hypocrisy....
Edited, Oct 30th 2012 1:13pm by TheBarrister