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#1 Mar 24 2012 at 1:00 AM Rating: Decent
Hey there, my FFXI hasnt been working properly since day 1, I downloaded on Steam, uninstalled and tried the normal disks also.

What happens is, I'll play for about 30-45 min, then my sound will start bugging out, then i wont have any sound at all, then eventually my game will crash, or if i zone or anything, access a chest game crashes, no idea if this will help, but this is from the "Additional Info"


Problem signature:
Problem Event Name: APPCRASH
Application Name: pol.exe
Application Version: 1.18.13.0
Application Timestamp: 4e3bcddc
Fault Module Name: FFXiMain.dll
Fault Module Version: 3.0.0.0
Fault Module Timestamp: 4f39bfe8
Exception Code: c0000005
Exception Offset: 001430c3
OS Version: 6.1.7601.2.1.0.256.1
Locale ID: 4105
Additional Information 1: 0a9e
Additional Information 2: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789
Additional Information 3: 0a9e
Additional Information 4: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789
#2 Mar 24 2012 at 6:22 AM Rating: Decent
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Is it just sound or are there graphic errors as well?

Edit: Wait you're the same person who posted a few days ago. Did you reinstall a fresh FFXI? Or did you copy over your directory from steam to the new install? It sounds like you have corrupted files. Running the file check might help.

Edited, Mar 24th 2012 7:36am by Telaki
#3 Mar 24 2012 at 10:37 AM Rating: Good
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sounds more like you may have an issue with either drivers, hardware, or a combination of both.

There have been some issues with certain onboard Realtek setups--particularly, the ones running the Creative Xi-Fi emulation drivers. If you have one of those systems that is running XiFi on Realtek chips, I would highly recommend scrapping the XiFi emulation and downloading the Realtek drivers instead--this was posted a while back on the SE forums as a fix for one user in that situation. Even if it's Realtek hardware with Realtek drivers, might be worth a shot to try different drivers.

Could also be something going on with your DirectX even for that matter....might be worth a shot to get the offline 9.0C installer to make sure you have all the files from 9.0 (some do not always get installed initially in Vista/7, and causes issues down the line) and then run the latest web installer to update it.

There has also been some issues crop up with the HDMI interconnect driver models (WDMI) (think it lists as High Definition Audio interface or something in the Device Manager--don't have PC up atm to verify it). If you check the driver properties/details tabs, it will list DLL's for HDMI Audio, maybe some port control DLL's, etc.. This is tied into the HDMI audio link for your video card--if you aren't sending audio/video to your monitor/TV you can even try disabling it to see if it makes any difference. If you are using the HDMI, then you may need to try different driver models for it. Sometimes you need to try different driver profiles from the different vendors. Realtek or Creative may have a version of it, as well as ATI or nVidia--usually you will get this under your video card's brand name though. What you are after is a seperate WDMI driver, not your regular video/audio card drivers--it will list specifically as a WDMI driver.

Edited, Mar 24th 2012 12:49pm by BDHERTZER
#4 Mar 24 2012 at 3:18 PM Rating: Decent
Ya I was the one with the steam issue, Acutally, I got rid of steam and deleted all left over files of FFXI and what not, fresh install with actual FFXI disk, this issue was happening since day 1 with steam and i thought it was steam so I went the different route. I'll look into some of those option you guys listed above and will post back. Thanks
#5 Mar 24 2012 at 4:03 PM Rating: Decent
I am almost certain I don't have any Creative Xi-Fi and what not, I am running on an Alienware M18x, could you please explain the 9.0 thing your talking about? You talking about Directx9? I currently have Dx11. Also not even running HDMI right now either.
#6 Mar 24 2012 at 5:57 PM Rating: Excellent
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Belzak28 wrote:
I am almost certain I don't have any Creative Xi-Fi and what not, I am running on an Alienware M18x, could you please explain the 9.0 thing your talking about? You talking about Directx9? I currently have Dx11. Also not even running HDMI right now either.


Load-out can vary somewhat based on where you got it from. Many of the gaming laptops will run soundblaster software, but may not necessarily have an actual Creative Labs sound chip, and this is where some of the issues come in--the emulation layers can cause all kinds of wonkiness. Switching to the chips native drivers and removing that extra layer from the equation is sometimes needed to stabilize things again. If you've got the WaveMAXX with Soundblaster option, this may be your issue.

The HD Audio WDMI driver can still be causing a problem, even if you are not using the HDMI interfaces. Just having it loaded and active can cause issues. Sometimes just disabling the device in Device Manager will allow you to resove the problem---sometimes not, as the problematic library is still being loaded and used elsewhere in the driver layer. Sometimes the Audio driver from an older package works better with this issue, but you need a different driver to resolve issues with the video portion. Don't know about nVidia's driver models, but ATI releases the HDMI Audio drivers as standalone packages that you can install alongside the Video packages to resolve such issues. I would expect the same would hold true for nVidia, Realtek, Creative, etc. The trick is in finding out exactly what hardware you have installed (the actual hardware, sans any emulation software if it is running--ie, you have non-Creative Labs Audio hardware, but Soundblaster software installed) so you can go to the appropriate vendor for the drivers.

And yes, 9.0c is the last directX that contained some of the specific files that might be needed by older games like FFXI. These files are not always present in Post Windows XP installations. In Vista/Win7 it is emulated within DX11. As such, some core files may not be installed. Some older games will expect to have access to these libraries and make specific calls for them. When they aren't there it can cause issues if there is no recovery programmed to catch the exception in either the drivers, DX11, or the game itself. The fix for this has often been to download and run the DX 9.0c offline installer.

NOTE: The web installer will not always install these missing files (because you have a higher version already installed, it thinks some are no longer needed, hence the problem). The offline installer may still unpack/register these particular libraries if they are not present.
#7 Mar 24 2012 at 8:24 PM Rating: Decent
This what you mean? http://www.softpoint.in/download-directx-9-0c-june-2010-offline-installer.html

Alot of what you mention is helpful, but hard to try it all without some instructions, I appreciate your help alot.
#8 Mar 26 2012 at 12:53 PM Rating: Decent
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Start with your sound card. Do you know what kind of card you have?
#9 Mar 28 2012 at 9:05 PM Rating: Decent
Under sound in control panel it says "IDT High Definition Audio CODEC"

#10 Mar 29 2012 at 1:26 AM Rating: Good
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that's a start, but it only narrows it down to roughly 3 dozen possible audio chips. IDT (Integrated Device Technology) cranks out all kinds of designs for various fabricators to use on their motherborrds. A quick Google brought up a lot of hits on problems with some of their drivers in Vista/Win7. So yeah, I would be holding your driver suspect at first glance.

You'll need to be more specific with actual hardware specs if you want to get the drivers from IDT (they list them by chip number), or get them from Dell, HP--whoever you got your system from (those may lag behind a bit compared to what may be more current from IDT, but likely a safer place to start). To get them from your laptop vendor, you may need to provide the Serial ID of the laptop or some other similar product code to make sure you are getting the right driver package.
#11 Mar 29 2012 at 11:21 AM Rating: Decent
Alright, I'll try updating my audio from dell, here is the link tell me what you think? http://www.dell.com/support/drivers/ca/en/cadhs1

Also weird because I have another system, that isnt alienware is getting the same crash issues, so makes me wonder.
#12 Mar 29 2012 at 11:25 AM Rating: Decent
Also the desktop is running win 7 pro, and is using HDMI right now, so the sound is going through the Nvidia Geforce GTX 480x2 to the TV itself, and it crashes also.

#13 Mar 30 2012 at 2:15 AM Rating: Good
I'm have the EXACT same problem with two computers as well, I'm on windows 7 and my wife's is on xp. To not crash you can go to ffxi config file and turn off sound and it will no longer crash. But that don't really fix the problem does it.

I'm curious as to what antivirus you use and router, I use bitdefender and i have that on my wifes as well i'm curious since this is not a problem a lot of people are having if its just a bitdefender deal.
#14 Mar 30 2012 at 10:06 AM Rating: Good
In that case, you might want to add the POL folder to your AV's real time scan exceptions and see if that makes a difference.
#15 Mar 30 2012 at 12:42 PM Rating: Good
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Vaguely reminds me of the issues some people had regarding antivirus programs and the music files related to Ru'Aun Gardens and A.Reef. However, that wasn't so much a sound loss issue as it was a paralyzing drop in response. Such people were about to work around it by either turning off their AV client or swapping those particular music files to those who didn't cause the problem. Doesn't quite sound like the latter will work in this case.

If outright disabling sound for the game seems to fix the issue, have you gone on to progressively see how many sounds you can allow the game to play before crashes ensue? I'd still lean toward driver conflicts alongside a possible AV issue, but suggesting drivers is rough without knowing the specific make of the card. If the affected computers are premade bundles, what did Dell or whomever call them? Would be something like Alienware Area 51, Inspiron 5500, etc.. A little google fu on those system specs may yield the specific chip.
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#16 Mar 30 2012 at 1:02 PM Rating: Default
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Belzak28 wrote:
Alienware

Not to sound like an arrogant douche (as would be normal actually), but I think I found your problem.

Never has a computer builder company had such shady, shoddy, sh*tty hardware vendors as Alienware. They have always been a nightmare of sketchy parts. Hard-Drives DoA, Video Cards artifacting out of the box, and in one case with a personal friend every part in the machine needing replacement on subsequent RMAs (later theory that it was a bad power supply burning up everything).

This is before they were bought out though. They actually had more issues with part quality than Dell... guess who bought them?

So are you having sound issues in other games too, but only FFXI is actually crashing because of them?

Edited, Mar 30th 2012 12:04pm by Raelix
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#17 Mar 30 2012 at 2:40 PM Rating: Decent
Yes i tried running the minimal sound and it would still crash it would just take longer. After messing around with it I went into safe mode and disabled bitdefender from loading any of its plugins at startup then restarted the computer back into normal mode and i played in a party for 2 hours and have left the game running since for about 6 hours total with no issues yet so i think its my AV. Currently setting exception for it to not look at those files but not 100% that will fix it as well, I'll keep y'all updated.
#18 Mar 30 2012 at 4:59 PM Rating: Good
Made exceptions for both mine and wife's computer to the playonline folder and now both games appear to be running fine with now sound issues or crashing. Let me know if this helped you out.
#19 Mar 31 2012 at 12:08 AM Rating: Good
Made the exeption in bitdefender to allow POL right? hmm so it sounds like bitdefender.

Im also running bitdefender on both computers aswell, gonna uninstall bitdefender, I always hated it, only reinstall every so often for some scans lol. I'll write back.
#20 Apr 01 2012 at 1:15 AM Rating: Good
Confirmed, uninstalled bitdefender and works 100% now, have been running game for 12 hours straight, and no crashes.
#21 Jun 27 2013 at 8:08 AM Rating: Good
Sorry for the necro bump... but.... wow! omg... I cannot thank you enough for this thread. I've been banging my head on this problem for the last 3 weeks.. I've been searching forums for answers and I ended up re-installing the whole game, tried the last 10 versions of nVidia drivers, tried running on an XP virtual machine, re-installed sound drivers... and I had almost given up when I found this thread. Of course, I'm running BitDefender... so I created rules for the AV to excluded the whole PlayOnline folder and the pol.exe process.... and Voilà!

The game runs perfectly fine now!
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