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#1 Jan 27 2011 at 1:59 PM Rating: Decent
I have been considering a come back after taking about 9 months off and have read that abyssea is pretty much the only game in town now. I talked to a friend that said pickup parties for exp in abyssea aren't that hard to get but the problem may be getting atma and the items needed to upgrade gear to +1 and +2. He said most people already have the atma so no one really does runs for them anymore. He made it sound like you need atma to succeed in abyssea.
I used to only play a few hours each night and get around 10pm CST so finding a ls that does things when I play was always a hassle. I'm trying to get find out if someone like me would have a hard time getting atma and the necessary items to upgrade equip through pickup/shout type parties? Or is everything pretty much farmed with ls members these days?

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#2 Jan 27 2011 at 2:04 PM Rating: Good
Shout groups can kill anything in abyssea. While atmas make a huge difference getting them is fairly easy. Even if people dont need the atma spending2 min cycling weapon skills to find the correct one isnt any hassel at all. I wouldnt recommend an ls as much as just some close friends to do abyssea with.
#3 Jan 27 2011 at 2:32 PM Rating: Good
A dedicated Abyssea linkshell actually might be the best thing to look into. My group has random farming runs and low man groups all over the map during the week, but we gather up 2-3 times a week for big runs - zone boss clears and atma runs. Just a few days ago we knocked out the Voracious Violet atma for folks in about two hours.

Sometimes you'll see pick up group shouts for atma too, but like all pick up groups, it's hit or miss - there are still plenty of morons out there.
#4 Jan 27 2011 at 2:35 PM Rating: Good
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Considering that many of the drops for AF3 and other good gear in general comes from mobs with good atmas, it isn't hard to kill two birds with one stone. Like my LS, if we are fighting an NM and someone doesn't have its atma, we will quickly proc red !!. Just kind of tagging along fighting NMs will usually net you all the atmas you need, and all the zone bosses and caturae.
#5 Jan 27 2011 at 2:42 PM Rating: Good
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You can always piggie back too. You might not get drops but you go for the atma. Which is better than nothing.

Edited, Jan 27th 2011 3:42pm by Fumikuu
#6 Jan 27 2011 at 2:42 PM Rating: Excellent
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Atma determines your damage and overall success far, far, far more than equipment. It is vital.

Fortunately, atma is fairly easy to get - and yes, people still do them. Hell, as of Dec 29th, I had no zone boss wins (9 of em, need to fight them for the last abyssea battle), no cacturae wins (6 of em, need to fight them for the last abyssea battle), and absolutely 0 atma. Flash forward to today, I have pretty much all major atmas, including Apocalypse (which you get from the main abyssea boss). All of them were through shouts, with me starting most of them.

So yes, you will be able to still get it through shouting, there are still many people that need them. Also, most atma bearing mobs drop items that are needed for +2 upgrades. Since you need 6 of these items, for 5 equipment slots, lotting against 12-18 other people, there will be people shouting for these NMS for a long, long time. Just make sure to put in your shout "all items freelot."

My suggestion to you is to sit in port jeuno and listen for a few atma shouts - and they will probably be for some of the better atmas at this point. Do a few of those and learn how to get red !! (and what it is), and how to pop NMs. After a few, then lead your own groups for atma. This is what I did, and again, within 1 month, I have about 30+ atmas and boss/cacturae clears in all zones.

If you are a mage, I would suggest these atmas. Of course its different depending on what mage job you have, but here is a general list (btw, SMN is 2/3 melee, as the melee atmas DO effect avatars!). In order of (my opinion of) general mage importance:
Atma of the Minikin Monstrosity
Atma of the Beyond
Atma of the Merciless Matriarch
Atma of the Impregnable Tower
Atma of the Apocalypse
Atma of the Heavens

If you are a melee, I would suggest these atmas. Of course its different depending on what melee job you have, but here is a general list. In order of (my opinion of) general melee importance:
Atma of the Razed Ruins
Atma of the Voracious Violet
Atma of the Gnarled Horn
Atma of the Harvester
Atma of the Stout Arm
Atma of the Mounted Champion
Atma of the Sea Daughter
Atma of the Apocalypse

If you have these 13 atmas, you will be set for most jobs (Atma of the Apocalypse is listed twice; it can be useful for both mage and melee; unfortunately its also the second most time consuming/hardest to get).

Edited, Jan 27th 2011 3:48pm by ManifestOfKujata
#7 Jan 27 2011 at 2:54 PM Rating: Excellent
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Also remember that there are "synthetic Atma" - ones you can pay cruor for that are offered based on past achievements. Most of them aren't comparable to the better Atma you can get from NMs, but if you somehow find yourself with Lunar Abyssites and no Atma to equip...

A few are actually pretty notable though, such as Alpha and Omega or Ultimate.
#8 Jan 27 2011 at 3:03 PM Rating: Excellent
Atma of the Rescuer, which is a synthetic atma from beating Dynamis-Xarcabard, is arguably the best pure healer atma.
#9 Jan 27 2011 at 4:17 PM Rating: Good
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Smiting blow is potentially useful atma for SAM and DRK. Deep devourer for BRD.
#10REDACTED, Posted: Jan 27 2011 at 4:22 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) The **** took you 2 hours to get VV atma??? Takes like 30 min to make a pop if your fighting each nm one at a time, and about 10 min or less to kill that was with 5 people.
#11 Jan 27 2011 at 4:24 PM Rating: Decent
Alobont wrote:
catwho wrote:
A dedicated Abyssea linkshell actually might be the best thing to look into. My group has random farming runs and low man groups all over the map during the week, but we gather up 2-3 times a week for big runs - zone boss clears and atma runs. Just a few days ago we knocked out the Voracious Violet atma for folks in about two hours.

Sometimes you'll see pick up group shouts for atma too, but like all pick up groups, it's hit or miss - there are still plenty of morons out there.
The @#%^ took you 2 hours to get VV atma??? Takes like 30 min to make a pop if your fighting each nm one at a time, and about 10 min or less to kill that was with 5 people.
It's catwho, what were you expecting?

Edited, Jan 27th 2011 5:25pm by ThePsychoticOne
#12 Jan 27 2011 at 5:18 PM Rating: Decent
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Alobont wrote:
catwho wrote:
Just a few days ago we knocked out the Voracious Violet atma for folks in about two hours.


The @#%^ took you 2 hours to get VV atma??? Takes like 30 min to make a pop if your fighting each nm one at a time, and about 10 min or less to kill that was with 5 people.


Seriously, 2hrs for VV is a really long time even if you're including ******* around in Port Jeuno setting up parties or waiting for AFK people and waiting for people who don't have a conflux to RUN to camp.

In a 2hr run with a small alliance of moderately skilled/geared players, you should be able to get a zone clear, several major atma (like VV), and some NM drop farming. Do that a time or two a week and you'll have everything in a pretty short time. You certainly don't need a big alliance either, you can take out anything with less - a well formed 6/6 party is fine, just may take a little longer getting !!! triggers.

Nice thing about Abyssea as an LS event is that it can be done in a fairly short timeframe. I go twice a week for about 2hrs per run with 12-15 people, and we just decimate whatever zone we pick for the night. It's honestly overkill to have that many, but it's fun.
#13 Jan 27 2011 at 6:45 PM Rating: Excellent
Grand Master Leatherworker ThePsychoticO wrote:
Alobont wrote:
catwho wrote:
A dedicated Abyssea linkshell actually might be the best thing to look into. My group has random farming runs and low man groups all over the map during the week, but we gather up 2-3 times a week for big runs - zone boss clears and atma runs. Just a few days ago we knocked out the Voracious Violet atma for folks in about two hours.

Sometimes you'll see pick up group shouts for atma too, but like all pick up groups, it's hit or miss - there are still plenty of morons out there.
The @#%^ took you 2 hours to get VV atma??? Takes like 30 min to make a pop if your fighting each nm one at a time, and about 10 min or less to kill that was with 5 people.
It's catwho, what were you expecting?

Edited, Jan 27th 2011 5:25pm by ThePsychoticOne


Must you have such a condescending attitude about it? We don't know the conditions of what happened, so for all we know that could have been multiple times fighting it, cause maybe a few people weren't there for one of the fights, so they went and farmed up another pop set and killed Eve again. You instantly jump to the conclusion that it was a single Eve that took two hours (and thus, they were failing it up), when I don't see anything that says it was just one go.

Edited, Jan 27th 2011 7:48pm by Vlorsutes
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#14 Jan 27 2011 at 6:46 PM Rating: Default
Vlorsutes, Lord of Stuff wrote:
Grand Master Leatherworker ThePsychoticO wrote:
Alobont wrote:
catwho wrote:
A dedicated Abyssea linkshell actually might be the best thing to look into. My group has random farming runs and low man groups all over the map during the week, but we gather up 2-3 times a week for big runs - zone boss clears and atma runs. Just a few days ago we knocked out the Voracious Violet atma for folks in about two hours.

Sometimes you'll see pick up group shouts for atma too, but like all pick up groups, it's hit or miss - there are still plenty of morons out there.
The @#%^ took you 2 hours to get VV atma??? Takes like 30 min to make a pop if your fighting each nm one at a time, and about 10 min or less to kill that was with 5 people.
It's catwho, what were you expecting.
Must you have such a condescending attitude about it? We don't know the conditions of what happened, so for all we know that could have been multiple times fighting it, cause maybe a few people weren't there for one of the fights, so they went and farmed up another pop set and killed Eve again. You instantly jump to the conclusion that it was a single Eve that took two hours, when I don't see anything that says it was just one go.
That is possible, but i would bet against it.
#15 Jan 27 2011 at 6:51 PM Rating: Good
We farmed the pop set from scratch and had to wait for a few NM pops. That's why it took two hours.
#16 Jan 28 2011 at 3:38 AM Rating: Good
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Why do you even care if it takes someone else 2 hours or 30 min or 20 hours?

really?

BTW has anyone noticed always getting trigger drop on first mob killed when you enter zone or move to that mob type? then much lower trigger drop rate thereafter?
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#17 Jan 28 2011 at 4:51 AM Rating: Excellent
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catwho wrote:
Atma of the Rescuer, which is a synthetic atma from beating Dynamis-Xarcabard, is arguably the best pure healer atma.


Atma of the Full Moon is another nice good synthetic atma imo. This requires Windurst Rank 10 and gives +5 refresh. I'm sure there are better refresh atmas out there, but decent until you get the better ones.
#18 Jan 28 2011 at 6:07 AM Rating: Good
Alobont wrote:
catwho wrote:
A dedicated Abyssea linkshell actually might be the best thing to look into. My group has random farming runs and low man groups all over the map during the week, but we gather up 2-3 times a week for big runs - zone boss clears and atma runs. Just a few days ago we knocked out the Voracious Violet atma for folks in about two hours.

Sometimes you'll see pick up group shouts for atma too, but like all pick up groups, it's hit or miss - there are still plenty of morons out there.


The @#%^ took you 2 hours to get VV atma??? Takes like 30 min to make a pop if your fighting each nm one at a time, and about 10 min or less to kill that was with 5 people.


Eve popsets can take a long time because of Fistule and Gangly gean, you pompous windbag. God forbid there were a lot of other people in the zone that night.

#19REDACTED, Posted: Jan 28 2011 at 6:51 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Please do explain how any of those NMs can take a long time with 18 people. With 18 people you should be doing multiple nms at once. Just have one person travel around popping those nms while a group fights it. KI shows up regardless of distance from mob.
#20 Jan 28 2011 at 7:05 AM Rating: Excellent
Alobont wrote:
Palides wrote:
Alobont wrote:
catwho wrote:
A dedicated Abyssea linkshell actually might be the best thing to look into. My group has random farming runs and low man groups all over the map during the week, but we gather up 2-3 times a week for big runs - zone boss clears and atma runs. Just a few days ago we knocked out the Voracious Violet atma for folks in about two hours.

Sometimes you'll see pick up group shouts for atma too, but like all pick up groups, it's hit or miss - there are still plenty of morons out there.


The @#%^ took you 2 hours to get VV atma??? Takes like 30 min to make a pop if your fighting each nm one at a time, and about 10 min or less to kill that was with 5 people.


Eve popsets can take a long time because of Fistule and Gangly gean, you pompous windbag. God forbid there were a lot of other people in the zone that night.



Please do explain how any of those NMs can take a long time with 18 people. With 18 people you should be doing multiple nms at once. Just have one person travel around popping those nms while a group fights it. KI shows up regardless of distance from mob.


He was meaning competition for those NMs. If you're unlucky enough to get outclaimed at Gangly Gean or have someone else aggro Fistule before you do, you're at the mercy of that other group's kill speed. I've seen situations where like a DNC will solo claim Gangly Gean and just take forever to kill it, and when it comes to that situation you're stuck until they wipe or they kill it.

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#21 Jan 28 2011 at 7:34 AM Rating: Default
Vlorsutes, Lord of Stuff wrote:
Alobont wrote:
Palides wrote:
Alobont wrote:
catwho wrote:
A dedicated Abyssea linkshell actually might be the best thing to look into. My group has random farming runs and low man groups all over the map during the week, but we gather up 2-3 times a week for big runs - zone boss clears and atma runs. Just a few days ago we knocked out the Voracious Violet atma for folks in about two hours.

Sometimes you'll see pick up group shouts for atma too, but like all pick up groups, it's hit or miss - there are still plenty of morons out there.


The @#%^ took you 2 hours to get VV atma??? Takes like 30 min to make a pop if your fighting each nm one at a time, and about 10 min or less to kill that was with 5 people.


Eve popsets can take a long time because of Fistule and Gangly gean, you pompous windbag. God forbid there were a lot of other people in the zone that night.



Please do explain how any of those NMs can take a long time with 18 people. With 18 people you should be doing multiple nms at once. Just have one person travel around popping those nms while a group fights it. KI shows up regardless of distance from mob.


He was meaning competition for those NMs. If you're unlucky enough to get outclaimed at Gangly Gean or have someone else aggro Fistule before you do, you're at the mercy of that other group's kill speed. I've seen situations where like a DNC will solo claim Gangly Gean and just take forever to kill it, and when it comes to that situation you're stuck until they wipe or they kill it.


Very rarely do those people refuse help if offered to increase their kill speed.
#22 Jan 28 2011 at 7:39 AM Rating: Good
catwho wrote:
A dedicated Abyssea linkshell actually might be the best thing to look into. My group has random farming runs and low man groups all over the map during the week, but we gather up 2-3 times a week for big runs - zone boss clears and atma runs. Just a few days ago we knocked out the Voracious Violet atma for folks in about two hours.

Sometimes you'll see pick up group shouts for atma too, but like all pick up groups, it's hit or miss - there are still plenty of morons out there.


Agree... I have done ls runs and had little trouble yet on shout runs half of them have turned crap due to lack of prep.

Still some though I have gained some good stuff as a result of joining shouts or joining other groups just for the Atma.
#23 Jan 28 2011 at 7:50 AM Rating: Excellent
Alobont wrote:
Vlorsutes, Lord of Stuff wrote:
Alobont wrote:
Palides wrote:
Alobont wrote:
catwho wrote:
A dedicated Abyssea linkshell actually might be the best thing to look into. My group has random farming runs and low man groups all over the map during the week, but we gather up 2-3 times a week for big runs - zone boss clears and atma runs. Just a few days ago we knocked out the Voracious Violet atma for folks in about two hours.

Sometimes you'll see pick up group shouts for atma too, but like all pick up groups, it's hit or miss - there are still plenty of morons out there.


The @#%^ took you 2 hours to get VV atma??? Takes like 30 min to make a pop if your fighting each nm one at a time, and about 10 min or less to kill that was with 5 people.


Eve popsets can take a long time because of Fistule and Gangly gean, you pompous windbag. God forbid there were a lot of other people in the zone that night.



Please do explain how any of those NMs can take a long time with 18 people. With 18 people you should be doing multiple nms at once. Just have one person travel around popping those nms while a group fights it. KI shows up regardless of distance from mob.


He was meaning competition for those NMs. If you're unlucky enough to get outclaimed at Gangly Gean or have someone else aggro Fistule before you do, you're at the mercy of that other group's kill speed. I've seen situations where like a DNC will solo claim Gangly Gean and just take forever to kill it, and when it comes to that situation you're stuck until they wipe or they kill it.


Very rarely do those people refuse help if offered to increase their kill speed.


Maybe for you it's common they'll accept help, but any time I see someone soloing an NM like that, they'll refuse help for one of two reasons.

1) Cause they're afraid that it'll be stolen from them if they accept help.

2) They want to see if they can solo it themselves (I've seen this one quite often).
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#24 Jan 28 2011 at 7:57 AM Rating: Default
Vlorsutes, Lord of Stuff wrote:
Alobont wrote:
Vlorsutes, Lord of Stuff wrote:
Alobont wrote:
Palides wrote:
Alobont wrote:
catwho wrote:
A dedicated Abyssea linkshell actually might be the best thing to look into. My group has random farming runs and low man groups all over the map during the week, but we gather up 2-3 times a week for big runs - zone boss clears and atma runs. Just a few days ago we knocked out the Voracious Violet atma for folks in about two hours.

Sometimes you'll see pick up group shouts for atma too, but like all pick up groups, it's hit or miss - there are still plenty of morons out there.


The @#%^ took you 2 hours to get VV atma??? Takes like 30 min to make a pop if your fighting each nm one at a time, and about 10 min or less to kill that was with 5 people.


Eve popsets can take a long time because of Fistule and Gangly gean, you pompous windbag. God forbid there were a lot of other people in the zone that night.



Please do explain how any of those NMs can take a long time with 18 people. With 18 people you should be doing multiple nms at once. Just have one person travel around popping those nms while a group fights it. KI shows up regardless of distance from mob.


He was meaning competition for those NMs. If you're unlucky enough to get outclaimed at Gangly Gean or have someone else aggro Fistule before you do, you're at the mercy of that other group's kill speed. I've seen situations where like a DNC will solo claim Gangly Gean and just take forever to kill it, and when it comes to that situation you're stuck until they wipe or they kill it.


Very rarely do those people refuse help if offered to increase their kill speed.


Maybe for you it's common they'll accept help, but any time I see someone soloing an NM like that, they'll refuse help for one of two reasons.

1) Cause they're afraid that it'll be stolen from them if they accept help.

2) They want to see if they can solo it themselves (I've seen this one quite often).


I assume lights were built before hand, so why nit have groups cleaving for KIs while you wait??
#25 Jan 28 2011 at 8:07 AM Rating: Excellent
I can personally attest from my experiences farming up Chloris and Glavoid pop sets that sometimes key items are just insanely uncooperative. The way my group does it basically allows one warrior to be capped on nothing but Amber and Pearlescent, and we'll still end up taking several hours of chest farming because either we'll keep getting key items we already have, or we'll keep getting item and temp item chests.
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#26 Jan 28 2011 at 8:50 AM Rating: Excellent
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Very rarely do those people refuse help if offered to increase their kill speed.


For me it's been the exact opposite. The vast majority of people will not respond to me or my groups at all.
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