Masamune Vs. Amanomurakumo Follow

Most can admit that fully upgraded Masamune is “better” than a fully upgraded Amano. What I want to know however is just how much better is it while using ideal gear and fighting the same enemies?

a) [low advantage] Marginally better, but better nonetheless. Masamune would come out on top but just barely.

b) [medium advantage] Somewhat better where a clear advantage can be seen by Masamune. It doesn’t leave Amano in the dust but it doesn’t keep it close either.

c) [high advantage] Significantly better! It leaves Amano in the dust and a clear gap can be seen between the two.

I ask only because I heard different reports. Most (if not all) agree that Masa is better than Amano, but I heard some people say that it’s only a marginal advantage. However, others said that it was a lot better making Amano a very distant second. I really don’t know what to believe.

I've never used either but I am just astounded that there is such a gap between the two......

There's times when he posts totally correct information too, this is one of those. The SAM forums will tell him the same thing if there are people in there with any sense.

Waste of time, see above.

I mean if you want consolidation, Amano isn't as good and is way more painful to get. Not to mention the ridiculous relic trials to upgrade it from 75.

What exactly about that statement should rog be banned for? He didn't insult anyone personally, he just offered his opinion that Amano is garbage, and that SAM without a Masamune is garbage. Really, of all the posts you could have pointed out of his, you picked one that contains just a strong opinion.

You don't see anyone saying other people should be banned for saying DRK is garbage.

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Frankly, these posters deserved to be trashed, too. The thing here is that Rog has a reputation for doing stuff like this so he garners more attention.

It is completely unnecessary to badmouth other jobs just because you think they're inferior, even if you think you have justification for doing so. Some people take pride in the job(s) they've chosen to play.



You're pretty bad at determining what facts and opinions are.

Edited, Dec 15th 2010 10:16pm by Fynlar

At this point in time...

Most (if not all) Empyrians >> Relics


This is simply because of how crazy the new weaponskills really are, not to mention they take 1/3 of the work (currently). Simply having one of the new weaponskills will put almost any job above everyone else.

As far as samurai goes for a job, in Abyssea it's a weak job because it has no critical hit weaponskill.

See my post above explaining what i meant when i said it was garbage.

I think he flat out said a Fudo SAM will beat your garden variety DD pretty handily, but stacking up jobs equally geared, SAM is going to be at the bottom of the pecking order, and anyone that says "but all jobs are still welcome regardless of how well they do compared to other jobs!" must've missed the past 7 years of FFXI.

Job exclusion is not a new thing. Rog is just saying that if you have a choice between a Verethranga MNK and a Masamune SAM you're not even going to give it a second thought, since a equally geared MNK is going to absolutely destroy SAM even without empyrean.

Yeah, it could be elitist to say "don't play SAM, it's garbage", but it doesn't mean that SAM still isn't at the bottom of the pecking order nowadays.

I'm fairly sure I know what you were trying to say, but I also can see that some people were taking it as "OMG SAM SUX DON'T EVEN TRY IT". You were saying that given equal skill and gear, SAM will under perform most other jobs even with Masamune, and is much farther behind without it, and to be in a mind of efficiency and maximizing potential your time is best spent working for something that will be more beneficial.

However, I think a lot of the perception of what you said comes less from a lack of ability to explain correctly and more from who you are. While you do give good information, you're often very blunt about it, which can seem like you're telling AveragePlayer to not play that job because it sucks, when you're really just telling them if they're here looking for a way to do their best that they should look into something else that has a higher potential.

I think I've said before that I think you give excellent advice and people would be well served to grow thick skin when asking for advice in =10 since it's generally a guarantee that you'll weigh in on their question. It's just too bad that most people just aren't born with the filter to be able to understand what it is you're telling them. :(

Does being considered a "low advantage" translate to "not worth the effort?" If you know something is better than something else, then why would you waste your time going for the inferior item? Especially when talking about items that both require some leg work, why waste time on something that you obviously know isn't as good as something else? The only, ONLY justification I can think of is that its Job Exclusive and you collect all Job Exclusive gear that you can; Even then you should still go for the items that make your job better than what amounts to novelty items.

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My bad.