Is Ninja becoming useless nowFollow

rdm/nin. Infinite mp, and inventory free cure cheats make holding hate easy enough. And you should always have at least a few rdm/nins anyway, so they can spread out and solo/duo various nms while everyone else kills harder t2s, farms TEs, etc.

Convert sets tend to contain "Converts HP to MP" gear, which you can use to artificially lower your HP, then cure it back. You're going to be carrying it anyway, so it's inventory-free.

Edit: Not to mention, Pluviale + Walahra Turban is +130HP right there, which you can add on after artificially lowering your HP, so your Cure IV can cure for the full amount (of CE) possible.

Edited, Nov 21st 2010 12:21am by Aliekber

Or just cancel your hp boost...

Click off HP buff.

Every comment in this thread needs to be prefaced with "with or without proper atmas," as a non-atma nin is in pretty bad shape without hi, where with proper atmas a nin is on par with other non-emp dd, and in the top rung with it.

The simple answer to your question is that no, NIN is far, far, far from useless. Even if you completely disregard the defensive benefits, it's right up there with mnk and war, head and shoulders above everything else.

TEEHEE.

Sorry, but they're not. Any dd with a ws is just as good at getting hate back. 2k+ WSs kind of get a lot of hate.

Or they get the TP wiped because the mob runs away when they push their macro. Then again, you could play with only RNGs.

i seen some awesome low man events with nin being the main attraction for tank and !!. I think its an awesome asset when wanting items without the hassle of forming big alliances and avoiding Elitist.

Everything is lowman now. Everything can be killed with whm+mnk, or rdm x2. You don't need any specific jobs for it.


My ls usually uses something along the lines of:

1-3 blm - TE/feet/KI farming
3-5 rdm/nin - nms, usually split into 2-3 groups of 1-3 people each.
rng - widescan, dd, !!, etc
blu - grellow, dd, etc
2 war, whm, brd, and maybe a sam - main party for harder nms, etc
nin - depends what we're doing, sometimes we bring a nin for red
mnk - for blue, depends how many we have, etc

The rest is typically either nothing, or mules sitting around by the blms leeching exp. Blms do all of the TE farming, and rdms do most of the nms. Works pretty great. If you don't have that many people, you can easily drop all dds except war, mnk, and nin (if you need to make sure you get red for atma, otherwise drop nin as well), and you've got a pretty good setup.

It's not the most efficient setup, but it gets the job done pretty damn well.

Edited, Nov 21st 2010 3:34pm by ThePsychoticOne

Lol I knew the second some one created another NIN post there would be the same old arguement there was a few months ago.

Same topic Same pathetic arguement.

I have nin 85 and had it 75 for a long time. I am telling you my NIN is not one of those jobs that sits on the shelf of my Mog House gathering dust. If you are a good nin you will be asked to use your nin.

I have not been on XI much since release of XIV. Think I been on an average of 5 hrs a week.

NIN is usuable in previous areas (Dyna, Sea, Limbus, Sky) if you still do that stuff.
NIN is also usable in Abyss.

Some people will say it sucks some will say its awesome. The problem with nin is both arguements are actually right and wrong. Its totally situational. You can tank 1 NM in Abyss and be fine and tank another and get whipped till its sore.

Advice to a current leveling NIN is, work on the job. Get the gear sets, cap the skills and do the trial daggers too. If you enjoy the job that is. Last month I have been NIN on XI most of the time above WHM/BLM so you can imagine I love it :)