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Must say, very nice and thanks for the info. I have favourited this so i have it :)

Of course 200k xp/hr means you'll be capped for xp and merits very quickly and have to leave.
It's fun to see those kind of numbers but until we can get limitless merits, maxing xp/hr is of marginaly benefit.

We hit 80k/hr the other day and I thought that was more than adequate to get people maxed xp and merits in a few hours.

To a lot of people these days doing anything outside of sky, dynamis, limbus, nyzul and exp is blasphemy. I find so many people that wont camp nms or do anything but exp these days its horrible. I understand you may have a job
to get to cap but that takes 1-2 decent abyssea alliances at the most.

Wow. >_> That is neat. (|Invite to join party.|)

This, pretty much. Slowly been coaxing my LS into killing NMs into spamming quests, but even then, NMs can be random in their drops. Of the popped ones we fight, it can take like 5-8 minutes to kill with a single party, and on top of that there's the 3 minute wait for the ??? to repop. Consider everyone needs 8 seals for an equipment piece, and the time bleed adds up even if you happen to be targeting an NM that can satisfy the needs of 2-3 people. I probably killed 10 Seps and 3 Iktomi yesterday, only to get 3 RDM seals out of it. Naturally, we popped the crawler and funguar to 10+ times satisfy other people, too (of which some got enough seals for their ****).

1) Competent EXPing doesn't run down the clock, and in fact often builds your time enormously.
2) The things people don't have time to do aren't EXPing.
3) Just how many times do you think the average player needs to get from 75 to 85? Is capping merits in half an hour instead of an hour really a big deal to you?

This technique is great, but you need to think harder about what makes it so useful.

So spending 4 or 5 hours building up extra time in an exp party is better than spending 2 hours building up the same amount of extra time? I don't follow.



Guess what I spent my extra time doing?



As many times as they like? It took one person in my LS about 6 hours to get from 40 to 85, opening chests. Now we have another DNC. No Campaign, no FoV, no crappy exp parties with people who normally do Campaign and FoV. If you can't see the advantage to that, I can't help you.

Not within the first hour. It takes time to build lights. 80k/hr is easy to get 3-4 hours in. Getting 100k+ exp within the very first hour is not even possible any other way.

Are you really this thick, or are you just playing the part? This was in direct response to your statement:

It was a counterpoint to your point; Exp in Abyssea doesn't/shouldn't run down the clock... and he's right.


Alright, now you have another DNC... who has no idea how to play their job. Congrats. This is FFXI, not WoW. There's a reason I've been playing 6 and a half years and only have three jobs over 50, and it's not because I have trouble gaining experience points.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying you shouldn't exp this way. Quite the contrary, more power to you. I'm just saying that I think there's a point where experience points come faster than actual experience, and that is not necessarily a good thing. More jobs is not necessarily a good thing, in fact it's very easily a bad thing.

I'm more concerned about his complete lack of gear at 85, his unpreparedness of things like AF, decent weapons, and gearswaps (both the gear itself and the setups necessary to make DNC shine). DNC is a very complex job, but it's not difficult to figure out. I think it's been established that this game is really easy to play, and grinding out another 30-35 levels before you're actually useful in Abyssea exp in oldschool exp groups isn't going to turn you into an expert. If you can't figure out how to do a job in FFXI you have bigger problems on your plate.

Seriously, how many 75+ jobs you have isn't inversely proportionate to your skill in each individual job, and if you can't figure out how to play your 6-7 jobs well, you probably wouldn't be able to figure out how to play 1-2 jobs well.

I'm all for box leeching in Abyssea (given that it's controlled...no 3 leech parties please). FFXI isn't hard.

As for Fell Cleave burns...that's sick, man. Would be 85-99 and recapped merits in no time after next update lol.

Campaign is no better, it doesn't teach people how to play their job in a party setting. I guarantee your newly-leveled DNC friend won't perform in a party setting for a good while. Sure he can engage the mob and build TP, sure he can pick decent TP & WS gear. Sure he can probably use Violent Flourish to stun some pretty good moves. It's the finer points of the job that take time and experience to figure out. When to WS, and when to hold TP for dances because you see a ****-storm coming, for example. I haven't played DNC so I can't really speak on the finer points, but I guarantee they exist, each job has them. You can't learn these things solo, or in Campaign, or by leeching in Abyssea. You can only learn them in a party setting where other players are depending on you to do your job, and it will be obvious if you do not. If that element of necessity isn't there, they won't be able to gauge how much they are contributing and won't be able to refine their play style. Thus the first time they are put into that situation, it's going to be a disaster. Party play prepares people for that.

Also, skill at the job was not the only reason I said that more jobs is not necessarily a good thing. It's also about rewards. The "more jobs" mentality is the reason that when one of the three AF3 foot pieces I need drops, I'm lotting against 14 out of 18 people, 10 of which will probably use it once a month or less. With more people having more jobs, the rewards are spread more thinly. Every drop you get has a much smaller chance of benefiting the group.


I don't know that anyone here is necessarily arguing against large amounts of exp/hour, just saying it's excessive for most situations and can potentially be harmful if abused. Taking a job you've had for years from 75-80 when the level cap increases is a perfect example of when this is a great idea. It doesn't benefit you at all to grind for hours upon hours, even if it means your skills are a little further under level than what they would be otherwise. Skillups are easy. It's more the situations like what TybudX mentioned, some guy taking his DNC from 40-85 without even playing it.

Rog(or whatever he goes by these days) is right. You can't build up the same type of exp/kill or time chests in the same amount of time if you're not doing this method. You will take longer to get kills, and take longer to get chests.

Your azure lights will build the same though. I have a question though Rog. I don't see how it's possible to get 100k/hr in the first hour so can you elaborate? I've done this same thing on mobs that do not build ruby, so that fell cleave kills will not overwhelm you with ruby lights. But there has to be time up front for the mages to build the azure and the regular melee hits to build the pearl. So how exactly can you jump that high in the first hour?

Assuming it takes 30 minutes to cap azure and pearl, you'd actually not be into the 100k/hr range until after the initial 30 minute investment. Also this doesn't work at all with randoms. I'm assuming you're only doing this with linkshell?

I actually did it with a pickup group, that was NOT designed to do it (i died quite a few times because of lack of cures (we only had 2 whms and a rdm at first), until i asked the blus to set frypan which fixed everything).

First of all, if you want exp, you never fight something that doesn't give ruby. That's just retarded. Farm ruby on different mobs if you have to, but never exp without ruby light.

Honestly, you could probably just build pearl, then start cleaving, and use ebon to get all your lights, only wasting 10-15 mins on lights, with the rest being all capped in probably no more than 20-30 mins from all the ebon spam. You can also just time -ga for azure, so that's really just as fast anyway (faster really since everyone has kismet, it should be capped with 1-2 pulls max).