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#1 Jul 31 2009 at 3:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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Well I've been reading some of the threads and it seems SE is hearing all the the complaints we've been making. BBB and some of the other organizations mean nothing but I think the impression of the general public ie "potential customers" do. I personally dropped some comments/complaints on their e-mail page but after hearing recent news reports I thought I'd post an idea here for where to make a larger impression.

I've seen that voicing complaints on twitter, my space or face book, especially on official ones that often times companies will see it and respond since it gets such wide audience.

Are there any offical advertising sites that allow people to post comments where mass complaints could be made?

Ie. If a day and time were chosen and everyone just got onto Twitter and blasted out: Square Enix give terrible customer service to their online customers. I think it might be noticed if 25 to 50+ people shouted out the same message or posted the same message.

Also the same tactic could be taken in sending e-mails to their help e-mail function asking for answers to some specific questions and then massively posting them on all the premier sites message boards.

What are your thoughts? I don't intend to just leave since I don't think that will teach them anything.
#2 Jul 31 2009 at 3:55 PM Rating: Good
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I'm beginning to think the higher ups on the various forums are afraid to say anything lest they themselves get smacked with the banhammer. Not just gamewise, I'm talking "You are no longer a premier site" wise.

It's a sad time in ffxi land :/







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#3 Jul 31 2009 at 4:06 PM Rating: Good
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That's why the complaints need to be made at the grass roots level. Maybe a post will be locked or deleted by those site admins that are fearful but at least it would be noticed before it was deleted. If its done in a respectful manner then it would be tough to be swept under the carpet.

Here's an idea:

http://member.square-enix.com/na/blog/2009/03/new-and-improved-members.php

This is the SE official site. They have a members section. What if a platform like this was used to post a complaint?
#4 Jul 31 2009 at 4:16 PM Rating: Good
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I don't suppose one of the banned is willing to write a suicide note about how they can't live with being falsely accused?

anyone?

no?
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I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#5 Jul 31 2009 at 4:25 PM Rating: Good
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I don't suppose one of the banned is willing to write a suicide note about how they can't live with being falsely accused?

anyone?

no?


Sure.










But seriously, no lol. That would be a bit over the top I think. I think most people that play the game know about SE's awful customer service. I even told one of the supervisor's about it and all he said was "I will pass the word along", meaning he probably didn't care and nothing would be done about it. Short of having every official fan site administrator writing an editorial or sending letters to SE and publicly slamming them in the media, I don't think anything is going to change their customer service.
#7 Jul 31 2009 at 4:30 PM Rating: Default
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I don't suppose one of the banned is willing to write a suicide note about how they can't live with being falsely accused?

anyone?

no?


Honestly a childish approach like that or posting profanity filled posts will only make the message seem like its unreasonable. What I'm talking about is an honest rational exposing of the issue and demanding an answer.

A petition-like post enumerating the recent customer service issues where a lot of people can post a signiture whichis copied in multiple areas and e-mailed over and over again will get more of a response than ranting and raving.
#8 Jul 31 2009 at 4:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yes, because as we know, online petitions have solved so many problems.
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#10 Jul 31 2009 at 4:37 PM Rating: Good
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#12 Jul 31 2009 at 4:42 PM Rating: Good
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#13 Jul 31 2009 at 4:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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Sorry but LOL, thank you guys for a good laugh on a Friday, DONT FORGET AION Beta is going today to monday! YAY!

God I miss FFXI to be honest... 6 years of sentimental memories...
#14 Jul 31 2009 at 5:32 PM Rating: Decent
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Well I guess no one wants to try to do anything. Half of you'd rather just complain and insult people that want to try and do something.

Someone says "Just stop playing" and people cheer and rate up but someone dares to say take another approach and they are loled.

I'll just let my e-mail an CSR calls speak for me then. I'm not ready to quit trying just yet and let my 4 years of playing mean nothing. I intend to go down fighting and not let them ban me for having "the wrong bank".

This will be my last word on he subject.

And btw I may hardly post but I've had my Alla account for 5 years and played FFXI for 4 years so I'm far from a noob.
#15 Jul 31 2009 at 5:36 PM Rating: Good
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fairyoracle wrote:
I've seen that voicing complaints on twitter, my space or face book, especially on official ones that often times companies will see it and respond since it gets such wide audience.

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What are your thoughts?
That I can't believe that anyone in EXISTENCE would believe complaining on Twitter, Myspace, or Facebook would result in anything.
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#16 Jul 31 2009 at 5:41 PM Rating: Good
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fairyoracle wrote:
Well I guess no one wants to try to do anything. Half of you'd rather just complain and insult people that want to try and do something.

Someone says "Just stop playing" and people cheer and rate up but someone dares to say take another approach and they are loled.
Why do you people whine when we don't just fall in line with your moronic ideas. Have you never seen the Three Wolves T-Shirt story? The reason it had any effect whatsoever was because it was funny, entertaining. A bunch of nerds BAWWWing and complaining that their imaginary world is less fun because the people behind it are being ***** is so unbelievably common that it's not going to be noticed or cared about.

Look at this website. At the very top are stickies that answer most common questions. Almost no one reads them. Seriously. And online petitions are useless since you can just spam them with "signatures".

fairyoracle wrote:
I'll just let my e-mail an CSR calls speak for me then. I'm not ready to quit trying just yet and let my 4 years of playing mean nothing. I intend to go down fighting and not let them ban me for having "the wrong bank"
The only thing SE truly cares about is money, and even if every North American and European account holder quit, they still have a loyal fan base in Japan that will still pay them money.

Edited, Jul 31st 2009 9:51pm by Pawkeshup
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#17 Jul 31 2009 at 5:42 PM Rating: Good
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I have a feeling that this time SE has decided that they aren't going to back down no matter what.

It will be interesting to see what happens wen then try that **** with the ICO though.

SE: It's not our policy to give that information

ICO: That's fine we'll just keep slapping you with fines till you comply.

SE: The user agrees to the TOS

ICO: Law > TOS, cough up the information requested or else.

Depending on how long SE is willing to go with their defiance they could end up with some pretty massive fines and possible criminal prosecution. This could get interesting.
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The main screen resolution for "FINAL FANTASY XI" is dependent on the "Overlay Graphics Resolution" setting.
If the Overlay Graphics Resolution is set higher than the Menu Resolution, menus will be automatically resized.


I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#18 Jul 31 2009 at 5:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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Pawkeshup the Ludicrous wrote:
The only thing SE truly cares about is money, and even if every North American and European account holder quit, they still have a loyal fan base in Japan that will still pay them money.


So I guess the idea of "JP Onry" will be truly victorious in the long run?
#19 Jul 31 2009 at 5:52 PM Rating: Good
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bmstreet wrote:
Pawkeshup the Ludicrous wrote:
The only thing SE truly cares about is money, and even if every North American and European account holder quit, they still have a loyal fan base in Japan that will still pay them money.


So I guess the idea of "JP Onry" will be truly victorious in the long run?


... ohshi...
#20 Jul 31 2009 at 5:53 PM Rating: Decent
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bmstreet wrote:
Pawkeshup the Ludicrous wrote:
The only thing SE truly cares about is money, and even if every North American and European account holder quit, they still have a loyal fan base in Japan that will still pay them money.


So I guess the idea of "JP Onry" will be truly victorious in the long run?
Indeed it will.
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Olorinus the Ludicrous wrote:
The idea of old school is way more interesting than the reality
#21 Jul 31 2009 at 5:55 PM Rating: Good
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The only thing SE truly cares about is money, and even if every North American and European account holder quit, they still have a loyal fan base in Japan that will still pay them money.


^ this. I hate to say it but this is absolute truth. They have a sizable player base that is culturally trained to not only not protest but readily accept any questionable moves they might make.
#22 Jul 31 2009 at 7:37 PM Rating: Good
I guess this is relevant.

http://twitter.com/infinityward

Call of Duty 4 has been overly hacked the last day, to the point where people have been quitting and posting R.I.P's all over the place... Infinity wards twitter page was spammed with complaints... and now they are taking action.


So I guess you can try the same with SE.
#23 Jul 31 2009 at 9:40 PM Rating: Excellent
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This thread brings back the memory of the band that made a video of a airline failing to fix his guitar because of luggage handlers broke it. The guy did everything to try and get it fixed and when he finally broke down and made a video of it and posted it on youtube. It grabbed the airlines attention.

Knowing SE this wouldnt do a thing but it is a idea. Anyone willing to try and make a video?

broken guitar

added link to those that didnt hear about it.

Edited, Aug 1st 2009 1:50am by Shusio
#24 Jul 31 2009 at 11:36 PM Rating: Good
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fairyoracle wrote:
I've seen that voicing complaints on twitter, my space or face book, especially on official ones that often times companies will see it and respond since it gets such wide audience.

[...]

What are your thoughts?
That I can't believe that anyone in EXISTENCE would believe complaining on Twitter, Myspace, or Facebook would result in anything.


Well I guess Charlie Gibson and the ABC News Service, where I got the idea from, aren't really real.

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/AheadoftheCurve/story?id=5388404&page=1

It has worked in some instances as shown also by this post:

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I guess this is relevant.

http://twitter.com/infinityward

Call of Duty 4 has been overly hacked the last day, to the point where people have been quitting and posting R.I.P's all over the place... Infinity wards twitter page was spammed with complaints... and now they are taking action.


So I guess you can try the same with SE.


That's all I'm saying I happen to think that people who think FFXI and FFVI will tank if a few people stop playing are naivee and instead of insulting people on a board for a game they supposedly have withdrawn their support from are little more than trolls. If you really hate the game and SE leave the game and don't pester people who still are playing.

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Why do you people whine when we don't just fall in line with your moronic ideas. Have you never seen the Three Wolves T-Shirt story? The reason it had any effect whatsoever was because it was funny, entertaining. A bunch of nerds BAWWWing and complaining that their imaginary world is less fun because the people behind it are being ***** is so unbelievably common that it's not going to be noticed or cared about.

Look at this website. At the very top are stickies that answer most common questions. Almost no one reads them. Seriously. And online petitions are useless since you can just spam them with "signatures".


I'm not surprised after a search I only found sarcastic and demeaning posts from you. My second post was about all of you jerks that think your big time and bash on other people's posts to make yourself feel important like school yard bullies.

My complaint is that you are a pitiful and sorry case of an arrogant person that only respects themselves and the brown nosers that quote and agree with you. Anyone who doesn't agree with you must be a moron since you are the most important person on the face of the planet in your eyes alone.

You need to learn the art of constructive criticism. You site examples of how it hasn't worked in an intelligent manner not like an idiot. You calmly discuss pros and cons. I don't care if you like or don't like my posts since you are nothing to me. Unless you have something intelligent to add to a post intended for discussion avoid posting.

I'm sure you won't be able to resist to tear this apart and rudely try to defend you aren't what I said you are. I dare you to ignore this post. I bet you won't even be able to resist replying and make astonishing and amazing replies like "lol noob" and "moron".

I'm not a nerd living in a fantasy world I have a job and a life. I happen to like to play many games in my spare time. I've never taken bad customer service in my life from any source and my complaints and spamming people eventually seem get me somewhere. At least my issues were corrected in most cases I've taken this approach so I intend to keep trying in this instance too.

Thank you to the last two posters for actually doing research and putting some thought into what they add to the conversation. Innovative ways often get attention and having done marketing and customer service in my career I know it can and does work. Does it work in EVERY instance, no. Do I expect it to work in every instance no. I remember once a person was spoken to by the president of a company I once worked for because they kept calling every 3 minutes demanding to be heard.

My point is don't just complain TRY to do something. Posting on everyone elses posts calling them loosers is *gasp* complaining. In fact you whine and complain more than anyone else.

And btw if you meant in the above that you think you're funny then you are sadly mistaken.

My Point:

Don't just spend all of your time trolling threads and calling people morons and prove you aren't one yourself.

I'm leaving this thread up since I hope it gives people who want to try and get things resolved examples of how others have had success.

Edited, Aug 1st 2009 3:44am by fairyoracle

Edited, Aug 1st 2009 3:49am by fairyoracle
#25 Aug 01 2009 at 8:00 AM Rating: Decent
Money talks. If you enjoy FFXI and have friends online there is not much point in quitting if you havent been banned, as I dont think SE really cares about this product much anymore.

However, SE' corporate culture is not going to change. History does not repeat itself but people do have a tendency to repeat stupid mistakes and forget lessons learned. This is even more pronounced with businesses than individuals. A single person can change their behavior but getting a business to change is very difficult even if it is in their own best interest.

For me I cannot say that I will not eventually buy FFxiv because it could turn out to be the best available game for my taste.

However, I can say that I DEFINITELY am not in a hurry to try it and what once was a given (continuation with ff) is definitely an open question at this point.

If you have been banned unfairly and are fed up with SE the best thing to do is think of some clever way of causing them bad publicity, because that is the last thing they want to have as they near the launch date of xiv.

Just remember that relative to YOU, they have an infinite supply of fully merited level 75 lawyers.






#26 Aug 01 2009 at 8:44 AM Rating: Good
SE dont have horrible customer services.

You have to have customer services in the first place to even have a good or bad ones.

"What is done is done, and we cannot help you, good bye~~" is NOT customer service IMO, it could have been done via a recorded message.
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