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#52 Aug 30 2008 at 10:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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Might be best to contact SE support (contact them first, since it may take a while to get a service rep), then conference in a tech support from your ISP. SE might believe that the ISP isn't blocking the game if they personally tell SE that they haven't blocked any ports. Or it may just end up with SE denying it. Either way, it couldn't hurt to try it.
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#53 Aug 30 2008 at 10:31 PM Rating: Good
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I agree. The more people who contact SE, the better chances that we have to get this fixed. I have already talked to SE this past Friday and sent two e-mails through PlayOnline's website. Hopefully SE will listen. I also plan on calling once more on Tuesday once the offices open.

As it stands, it pretty much seems as though the inability to connect to POL is due to something SE has done. If they have in fact blocked South Korea from connecting, this could turn out to be permanent unless we really, and I mean really, push SE to get this fixed.

...and on a side note... Even though I'm completely going crazy not being able to log in, it's kind of nice to have an entire FFXI-free weekend. >.>
#54 Aug 30 2008 at 11:03 PM Rating: Good
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But SE hasn't blocked South Korea. I'm on FFXI at the moment using a borrowed wireless connection. I also talked to someone else from SK on Ramuh who is using Xpeed. It's just KT and LG customers who are blocked for some reason.

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#55 Aug 30 2008 at 11:29 PM Rating: Good
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Both KT and SE have already stated (to more than one customer) that they did not block any ports or IP addresses. In the same breath, they are both blaming the problem on the other party. Obviously though, one of the two is at fault.

I don't think we're going to get a straight answer from anyone then. Each party is going to continue to deny that they have done something to cause the block.

Not to be pessimistic, but SE and South Korea in general both have a reputation for denying fault on their part. It's going to be a pretty vicious circle here...

Edited, Aug 31st 2008 7:26am by Taruvoyant
#56 Aug 31 2008 at 12:57 AM Rating: Good
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Typical saving face stuff! SE has improved somewhat in recent years with all their changes to the game. South Korea is still, well, learning. Hopefully one of them will admit to something soon! Trying to cancel KT and switching to Xpeed sounds like quite the trial.

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#57 Aug 31 2008 at 1:50 AM Rating: Decent
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Personally, I think KT is the best ISP in South Korea, so I wouldn't recommend switching. I remember that Comcast had a problem as well, but can't quite remember what they did to fix that. Of course, Comcast affected more customers than KT did, so they tried their best to fix it.

Besides, it's actually the Yongsan military installation that deals with blocking ports and IPs, so I really doubt that it's the ISP's fault, or at least, that's what they tell me.

PS: Another reason why LG and KT customers are affected is because they are the two largest ISPs in Korea, which might have been why it seems like Korea is banned. There is a third called Hana, but I'm not really sure what that is and I have never heard of Xspeed lol.

PSS: Guess it's a waiting game until Tuesday. Someone on BG told the two people to wait it out.

Edited, Aug 31st 2008 9:54am by Demera
#58 Aug 31 2008 at 9:27 AM Rating: Decent
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Well I'm over in Daegu S.Korea with KT and I can't get on. Gonna try to call the tech support tomorrow and see what happens. One thing though, KT's usually pretty good about fixing stuff like this, or at least telling you if somethings blocked or not (they actually do block certain N.Korean websites). While SE has -ALWAYS- seemed to deny any blame for anything they do. Also didn't SE announce that they would start to block certain "regions" of the world......
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#59 Aug 31 2008 at 9:31 AM Rating: Decent
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Certain access points, not regions.

A lot of hackings have came from that area of the world (China/Korea) so I believe they've started blocking IP ranges/ISPs used by the hackers, there were some innocent people caught in the cross fire sadly..:( (a lot of my Chinese friends can no longer play.) though I believe FFXI is only officially supported in NA/EU/JP..I'm not too sure...because if it is supported over there, you can likely contact them (or have ISP contact them) to have a ban lifted off the ranges you're in.
#60 Aug 31 2008 at 3:33 PM Rating: Default
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I'm gonna raise a big stink about it, there shouldn't be a reason to catch some of their customers in a ban. I mean I've been playing FFXI since NA release, and this ban just came into effect on the 28th. It sucks. I don't want to cancel my accounts through my credit card since it'll mean my accounts will be banned, but if this is a permanent thing, I'll just have to do it because I really don't want to downgrade my internet just for a silly internet game.

I figure if we raise a REALLY big stink, they'll just have to figure a way to deal with "hackers" and stuff by themselves. Demand to talk to supervisors, get your friends to raise a stink, do everything possible in your power if you really want to play the game. SE probably doesn't care about the players in the China/Korea region because there's no official "pack" for those regions.

Let's attack the SE reps tomorrow!
#61 Aug 31 2008 at 6:02 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm already preparing to raise **** tomorrow....ohh...SE how sad it is to not realize the calls your gonna get from angry customers....how will you endure the pain that is to come. Hopefully though we can get some good info and it will get all fixed up by weeks end..>.>
#62 Sep 01 2008 at 12:38 AM Rating: Decent
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im back in japan so i dont have any issues,

couldnt get it resolved with all the back and forth with KT...i hope its resolved soon for you guys (plus i visit every so often)

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#63 Sep 01 2008 at 4:25 AM Rating: Default
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....now I'm **** just tried to log on.. got the error of death.. If I didn't have to work all weekend, I would have been upset. I sure hope this gets settled quickly.. A perfectly good 4 day weekend gone to waste :(

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#64 Sep 01 2008 at 11:39 PM Rating: Decent
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i guess no updates yet on the situation anyone..? I'll be making the call tomorrow and whatever happens i'll let you guys know the current situation.
#65 Sep 02 2008 at 3:57 AM Rating: Default
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Well, It's 9 for me, so hopefully in a couple hours I get to kick some **** at their call center.
#66 Sep 02 2008 at 4:04 AM Rating: Default
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lol.. I guess no update.. are you guys using calling cards or using Landline?. I definitely want to complain.. I need this problem done with by this weekend...
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#67 Sep 02 2008 at 6:22 AM Rating: Default
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Calling cards are very cheap and I rely on them better than Landline. I get a 20$ one on the US base, and it lasts me around 200~300 minutes (been a while since I bought a new one).

PS: Also to those people that want to switch ISPs, I heard in certain apartment buildings, one of the ISPs have an exclusive right to those people in the building. My apartment building was wired by KT, so people can only use KT in the building. It sucks, but that's what I heard from the grapevine, so it might be a little difficult to switch if you live in one of the apartment buildings.


Edited, Sep 2nd 2008 2:20pm by Demera
#68 Sep 02 2008 at 6:39 AM Rating: Good
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I hope my officetel isn't wired like that. I have found three seperate wireless connections that connect to FFXI, so they can't be on KT. Hopefully they're in my building and not across the street or anything.

I'm going to do an SE tech support web chat at 1am, when they open. If that doesn't work, I'll try Skype. I've never quite mastered international phone calls and so my phone sits dusty in the corner.


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#69 Sep 02 2008 at 8:29 AM Rating: Default
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Most apartment buildings are wired like that, or so they say. Even so, the ISPs make it **** to switch over, but since you are a foreigner they might be nicer. Even if you did switch ISPs, what if SE blocks that ISP as well? You can only switch so many ISPs before POL blocks the entire Korean peninsula. Might as well get this out of the way now.

This issue needs to be wide spread I think, how many people's friends quit because SE blocked that particular region? Making a particular uproar will make results happen, and perhaps because we are all contacting SE at once, they will understand that "hey, maybe we shouldn't have blocked those South Korean ISPs, now we got 10+ angry people yelling in our ear," and the more people the better.

Of course, they can be jerks and do nothing, but it'll be nice to bring this particular problem into light and maybe they'll fix it for us. (It's always nice to hope for something.)

PS: Being put on hold on the webchat for 3+ hours is quite the experience.

Edited, Sep 2nd 2008 4:26pm by Demera
#70 Sep 02 2008 at 9:08 AM Rating: Good
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I've been on hold on the web chat for over an hour now.

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#71 Sep 02 2008 at 9:46 AM Rating: Decent
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SE did blcok several IP ranges from Korea back in 2005, back when Korea launched a massive DDoS against many high profile Japanese companies. Oddly enough this was based on WW2 warcrimes. CNEt and others documented this attack in articles going back to april 2005.

That was all resolved years ago and I hadn't heard of a more recent attack on SE from Korea. They should have no reason to block Korean internet providers or IP ranges anymore.
#72 Sep 02 2008 at 10:00 AM Rating: Default
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I was still able to play in 2005, so I guess it was just specified ISPs that were blocked or something.
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I know this is about South Korea, but me and a few people I know in California, US are now getting the POL 1160 as of this morning. I dont know if anyone else on the west coast is getting it but I am. :(
#74 Sep 02 2008 at 10:16 AM Rating: Default
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Ew, maybe it's SE's servers, lol. I honestly don't know. Those people at the call/tech center takes hours to get to, I've been waiting 2+ hours and that doesn't count the 8 hours I waited on Friday (US) to contact the centers and see what's up. Ugh!
#75 Sep 02 2008 at 10:21 AM Rating: Good
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I just spoke to someone at technical support. Here's a snippet of our conversation.

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Meara: Everyone in this region on my ISP and another aren't able to get online.
SEI POL Joseph C: Oh.
SEI POL Joseph C: I'm afraid this is not an issue I can fix.
Meara: What can I do?
Meara: I can't play the game anymore.
SEI POL Joseph C: To be honest, I do not know.
Meara: My ISP told me that POL was being blocked on your side.
SEI POL Joseph C: I am only a gaming server you connect to.
Meara: And that SE had to unblock it.
SEI POL Joseph C: I have not heard of our servers blocking anyone.
Meara: Korea got blocked before in 2005 during some DOS attacks
SEI POL Joseph C: I see.
Meara: Something is wrong. My Internet is working. The ports aren't blocked. But me and about 20 other people cannot get online.
SEI POL Joseph C: Since access to FFXI from every region is not guaranteed, we are unable to provide a resolution to your issue.
SEI POL Joseph C: I'm afraid there is nothing I can do.
Meara: But it worked up until Friday with no issues.
Meara: I can't even log on to cancel my accounts!
SEI POL Joseph C: If you wish, I can cancel the account for you.


Basically, SE would rather have our accounts cancelled than try to fix the problem.



Edited, Sep 2nd 2008 6:19pm by Meara
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#76 Sep 02 2008 at 10:35 AM Rating: Decent
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Figures. I'm not sure what to say, but I'm going to try to speak as well as see what they can do. Maybe I can request a ping trace and see where the block is?
#77 Sep 02 2008 at 10:43 AM Rating: Decent
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The tech guy was pretty much unwilling to look at the problem at all. I asked him if there was anything at all we could to try to figure out what it was but he refused and kept saying that there was nothing he could do except cancel my accounts for me. He flat out refused to try to solve the problem.

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#78 Sep 02 2008 at 10:44 AM Rating: Decent
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Man, this is gay. I got the same response from Joseph C.

Edited, Sep 2nd 2008 7:08pm by Demera
#79 Sep 02 2008 at 12:42 PM Rating: Default
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If Square Enix is blocking IP addresses then Google proxy server, you should be able find one with little problem. They have free servers too but use at your own risk.

note. You will need a proxy server with the IP address based in that country...

Edited, Sep 2nd 2008 4:43pm by Meanyweenie
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#80 Sep 02 2008 at 3:07 PM Rating: Decent
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i jsut double checked the playonline website, and apparently there were accounts banned on the 26 last week, and i was thinking maybe that alot of south korea was caught in that..
#81 Sep 02 2008 at 5:14 PM Rating: Default
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No, I'm pretty sure most people still have their accounts; they just can't access them due to POL being a jerk. Plus, if it were bannings, it would have affected us on the 27th not the 28th. My friend is meriting on my account anyways.
#82 Sep 02 2008 at 5:19 PM Rating: Decent
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Meara wrote:

The tech guy was pretty much unwilling to look at the problem at all. I asked him if there was anything at all we could to try to figure out what it was but he refused and kept saying that there was nothing he could do except cancel my accounts for me. He flat out refused to try to solve the problem.



Looks to me like he was reading from a script.
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I thought of it first:

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#83 Sep 02 2008 at 8:23 PM Rating: Default
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Looks to me like he was reading from a script.


He probably was, but he told me he would write a note to the server administrator, which makes me think that he was trying to help (or maybe that's just what he said to get me off the line lol).
#84 Sep 03 2008 at 2:10 AM Rating: Default
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I'm planning to talk to SE again. They need to acknowledge that players in Korea are having a hard time logging in.
#85 Sep 03 2008 at 6:09 AM Rating: Good
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I'm just going to get a new ISP if I can. I can still log in using wireless, but only on one of my computers and only in a certain part of my apartment.

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#86 Sep 03 2008 at 6:13 AM Rating: Decent
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Well KT is perma-wired into my apartment right now (fiber), so switching isn't an option. What are the ISP's confirmed to work with FFXI, possibly I could get a second connection (cable / DSL) and use that one for FFXI only (would suck having to pay more money for this game....).
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#87 Sep 03 2008 at 6:45 AM Rating: Default
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Well, you guys can switch ISPs, I'll just keep pestering SE, since there is a slight possibility that other ISPS might become effected as well and I rather get it over with now instead of later. I hate dodging complicated issues, and tackling SE will not be a problem for me.

PS: Would be easier if everyone just called/chatted with the tech people. Strength in numbers as they say, I believe I'm the one bothering SE and KT the most, lol. I've been talking to KT every day since the incident with numerous e-mails, visits, and phone calls. I have been calling and webtechin' it up with SE to no avail (been talking to SE from 1-9 every morning). It doesn't work with just one person. I'm getting my linkshell to chat it up with the tech people so they won't have to worry about the phone costs even though they volunteered.

Edited, Sep 3rd 2008 2:55pm by Demera
#88 Sep 03 2008 at 9:15 AM Rating: Decent
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I am trying to connect also for a week from a little further south of seoul and I cannot log in either and POL is saying its my isp but I called tech support and they fixed the ports for me and I am still getting the same problem.
#89 Sep 03 2008 at 9:16 AM Rating: Decent
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Well KT is perma-wired into my apartment right now (fiber), so switching isn't an option. What are the ISP's confirmed to work with FFXI, possibly I could get a second connection (cable / DSL) and use that one for FFXI only (would suck having to pay more money for this game....).


I don't know about Korea...but

Japan and America if you have fiber wiring you can no longer use DSL or cable unless they support fiops wiring.

#90 Sep 03 2008 at 9:21 AM Rating: Decent
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I have LG and I am having the same problem. The tech came out and opened the ports and its still not working. I have no idea what to do. I am calling them out again to make sure the ports are open as well as calling POL.
#91 Sep 03 2008 at 11:50 AM Rating: Decent
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I just got off the webchat now after waiting from when it opened until now. SE thinks it might be a server issue that connects our server to their server, which could be in CA or JP, we aren't sure yet. However, we do know that while connecting to the game server, it needs to go through a backbone server that could be down, and SE says that it's up to the company that owns the backbone server to get it running which could take a week, but they didn't give me any estimates.

Also: The POL website is connected to the game server (www.playonline.com) so if the ISP asks for the IP of the game, just give them that and they should able to do a ping test for you. Hope that helps.

Edited, Sep 3rd 2008 7:47pm by Demera
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From what I can tell the registration / update servers are basically not allowing connections from IP address from KT / LG. Demera your not alone, I've been badgering them like mad also, usually I get the "its not our problem" lines but sometimes I get someone who's helpful. I'm of the sneaking suspicion that one of their network guys changed the security on those servers without documenting it or letting others know about it. Probably thought he was doing something good as it would cut down on the number hack attempts against their servers....

As for DSL/Cable out here, when I said Fiber I mean literally the entire apartment is pre-wired with Cat-5 drops in every room with a Fiber line being the "out bound" connection. You just drop in your own router in the closet and instant home network. Getting a DSL / Cable connection shouldn't be hard because its also wired with phone / cable lines in every room.

So which ISP's work right now, I'm not going to "change" my internet, just purchase another service specifically for FFXI (I can later cancel). May sound retarded but I can't wait the month or more it might take SE to figure this out (if they ever do).
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#94 Sep 03 2008 at 4:42 PM Rating: Good
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Well, if it makes any of you feel any better (though I don't see how it would), I found this forum while trying to figure out why I can't connect to Everquest 2 through Sony. I live in Haebangchon, near Itaewon, and I also have a fiber optic connection through KT. My friend who lives in Nowon-gu also has KT and can't connect. You guys are talking about days... I haven't been able to reliably connect for MONTHS, since about mid-March. Getting KT to understand the problem was a huge hurdle, and they finally sent over a technician the other day who spent 3.5 hours doing tests and making phone calls with no results.

Anyway, I'll keep checking back here and I'll definitely post if anything productive happens. Maybe it could be a clue to your problem as well.
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JACKPOT!!!

Well guys I got some good news and some bad news.

First the good news, its not SE blocking KT / LG. What actually happened is KT Megapass and LG Powercomm have been slapped with a one month injunction of all business activities. Effective 1 SEP 08 (meaning have to close business 28 AUG 08) they can't do any business for 30 Days (KT) and 25 Days (LG). Turns out they were sharing their customers database with other companies to sell you ads and whatnot. They gave away a lot of their customer information to cellphone companies and various others. Now for us weigooks they prolly just chucked it as its hard to sell us **** (but not always).

Now the bad news,
Since their basically prevented from doing **** for one month, this issue will NOT get fixed anytime soon. Looks like the routers / backbone stuff was left on, but DNS and a few other services were turned off. I'm looking into seeing if I can use a 3rd party DNS service, or some other method of getting my connection working.
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Thanx for the update. I was just about to cancel my account and my dad talked me into keeping it until the 28th of Sep. atleast. With this update I will keep a few more days just to be safe and then go from there if it doesnt work anymore. Thanx a lot.
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Ooooh!

I use to live in Korea...lived in a small town called Uijongbu.
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Ooooh!

I use to live in Korea...lived in a small town called Uijongbu.


Thats up north in 2ID territory (Camp Red Cloud). Haha big area filled with Philipina juicy girl bars amongst other cheap thrills ... not to mention the base being filled with Philipina wives pushing baby carriages.
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#99 Sep 04 2008 at 5:58 AM Rating: Default
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So are you saying after 30 days we should be able to play FFXI? Also, where did you find this information because I've been bugging both companies and no one would help, lol.

EDIT: I just tried other DNSes and they don't work, so it can't be a DNS problem. Perhaps its another problem?

Also, why mention shady Korean practices? Can just say shady business practices, because Verizon tried to sell the phone numbers on their customer's phones as well.

Edited, Sep 4th 2008 9:00pm by Demera
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Colour me not shocked. Typical shady Korean business practices. I live with that kind of thing every day at my hagwon.

Does this mean they'll turn back on those ports or DNS thingymabobs at the end of that time, or are we screwed indefinitely?

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I had my Korean GF lookup news on Daum about KT. She translated it to me from the webpage. They got slapped with a 400,000,000 won fine, which honestly for these guys is nothing, but their gonna loose more money on the 30 day halt due to people changing over. As for why FFXI won't work, I'm at an impass its not DNS, I'm thinking something with their firewall / Proxy system. Internet has been DOG slow lately (since Monday).

Also on the note of Shady Korean Business, that's just how its done out here. Just look at the construction companies to get a good idea. Or how poor wiring / insulation caused the Daegu Subway to burn awhile back, killing hundreds.

Ouch, I feel ya for hogwans, they suck. Unless your extremely lucky, your stuck with a nutjob director who's constantly trying to jip you on pay and whatnot. And when its time to fly home (if you decide to leave) they try to get out of paying for your ticket.
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