The Melee SMN debate ends today:Follow

Exactly... us lucky Irish got to be indentured servants instead. We swilled the liquor all the way over on the cruise ship and had us a grand old time. ...and we were only called dogs because everyone wanted to be our best friend. You sure are one smart cookie!

I completely forgot to reply to this yesterday when I saw it.

Black jokes are 100x more offensive only when white people tell them.

omg I deleted my FFXI character and started over, why isn't it as fun as it was the first time I played??? D:

Nope, that's not what it's like at all. The original post I had read about 3 times before it was edited, and each time it was good. Now it's just meh.

The bottom of the posts shows I edited.

And...uh..."freedom of speech" has always had limitations depending on the location in question. You can't go into a church and yell "JESUS ISN'T REAL!", just like you can't prank call Cops.

Well...you could do both, but I'm sure that when you are getting kicked out from the first or fined for the second, no amount of 'freedom of speech' is gunna save you.

Here is what is sad about this statement... the fact that idea of racism is purely in the eye of the people offended. I could say "Negros," "african americans," "blacks," and "colored people" all day long. And while my intention might be pure, it's the intent behind the words that make it racist...

"The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, said yesterday that they would donate 1 Million Dollars to the United Negro College Fund to help inner city Blacks, and African Americans in general get a good education."

So, I'm curious where, exactly, the racism was in the OP was. Because it is certainly not the words "Negro, African American, and Blacks." It's likely in the adjectives used with them.... In which case, you would be right, in that the OP is no longer racist... but instead, due to the edits, is now Ageist, in that it's prejudiced against the young. As it was moronic, idiotic, big-white-teethed young people beating up on a helpless crazy person.

Being a young person myself... i find it incredibly disturbing that an Administrator would feel that young people can and should be treated and talked about poorly in forum settings....

Perhaps you should just nuke this thread...

Or maybe people in general who preach about tolerance could use such a lesson themselves...

Edited, May 4th 2007 1:21pm by swish

The OP could have told a funny story about some racist ******* without spewing forth hatred in the way that he did. But he didn't. And I didn't actually find much humor in the OP to begin with. So Exodus applied the minimum amount of moderation he deemed necessary to fix the post, and now people are whining and crying about it. I've got news for you: his actions don't impinge upon anyone's free speech. If you want to say something that you can't say here, then go set up your own forums and see how big of an audience you can attract. Don't bother sending me the link though.

Like I said, if the post had just been edited without the commentary before it, or if it had just been nuked period I don't think people would have had as big a problem with the fact that it was edited as they do now. I know I wouldn't. It's the fact that Exodus' posts before imply that HE was offended by it that people have a problem with, because now it looks like it was edited simply because the mod had a problem with it, not because it violated the rules or because it enflamed the majority of the community (read the previous posts, it clearly didn't).

You can find the uncensored version(which is much more offensive without the original censors) on BG forums. Or my blog(which has the original censors), if you can find out who I am.

I don't really care, but whoever edited it really lacks creativity. Moron is a boring word. You are a boring guy. And you took out something important from the story.

It's already been pointed out why I made them black and why the character is racist. This isn't a story about moral development. There are no likable characters in this story. Everyone is a douche. The thugs are your typical stereotypes and they are 2d, and that's on purpose. Same with the character being a void of common sense and decency. Sounds like a train wreck? That was the point. You are suppose to feel awkward and disgust, and shock.

There had to be bad guys to provoke the crazy Summoner in the first place. There needed to be racism to get people to dislike the main character. If you don't get it now, you never will, so it's really hopeless. And you took things too seriously. Like I said, it's a train wreck. Like seeing someone get hit by a car and doing a triple back-flip. You don't want to laugh, but you do.

You should of be a bit ashamed that you edited it. I mean, you can disagree with it, but it's been considered a piece of "art" by some. It's no different than being a school teacher, taking out a passage from a book you are teaching and replacing it. "Anne Frank doesn't die in the end! Superman punches the ***** in the face and saves her! YAY!". I guess you have the will to do something I never would.

I figured if people didn't want a story with word negro, they would have rated me down and the thread would have died. But the majority of people didn't mind. The word negro appears quite early, I'd suggest whoever got offended just hit backspace and not ruin it for everyone else. You knew what you were getting yourself into once "Plan B" appeared. People wanted to be offended if they kept on reading.

But again, I don't care. I'm surprised people rated me up. The last time I did this(it involved a noob Galka DRK complaining about not getting invites, who at the end got tricked into someone's sick Galka underwear party, and finally, ending with Bel-Air) it got nuked to oblivion within an hour. This was originally a troll post anyway. And it won't be my last.

In closing, if anything comes from this, I hope the next time someone posts a thread about meleeing SMN, everyone will just spam the thread with "I'VE SOLOED TIIITAAAANN!!". Because at end, that's what is was, calling Melee SMNs stupid.

PS. Mind of Mencia sucks. If you like me or the story, don't compare me with him.

EDIT: Oh, and they were all teenagers. It's quite clear.

And the race of the Summoner doesn't even matter. When I wrote it, I didn't even put a face of him. The only time thing we learn about his appearance is that he's fat, as he is called that by one the black kids.

Edited, May 4th 2007 1:36pm by SMNLORDDev

Nuking it would have been fine. This site is managed by you guys, and that's your decisions to make based on the content you want to have on this site.

Editing someone else's story, though, without their permission and without even anyway for a new reader to tell which words were their and which were yours, isn't ok. You should never, ever, be editting people's posts. Nuking, yes. But changing their wording for them and leaving the author listed as them? Even with the "edited by exodus" at the bottom, that still just seems very, very wrong.

And I would wholeheartedly agree with loki on the comparison to Huck Finn in this case. Obviously you don't agree that the stereotypes were deliberately used in a literary fashion and that they were only offensive in as much as that character was supposed to be offensive. That's fine. But that was the point of the story. Taking it on yourself to rewrite that and leave it published under the author's name isn't ok.

I didn't say it didn't offend anyone. I'm saying it didn't offend a majority of the community. Reading this whole post I counted 5 posters that got offended (a couple posts were vague). It may have spiraled into the exact same racial debate, it may not have, or it may have happened for 2 pages and then stopped. The point is it now looks like that you edited it because you had a problem with something that was posted. Now instead of saying the karma system doesn't work and we need more moderation, they'll say that the admins don't allow anything that they don't like.

Which one would you rather have complaints about? As I've said 3 times, I would have no problem with the post getting nuked because of complaints, but now because of that first post it puts you and Alla in a bad light to many ppl here, resulting in posts like this:

So if both sides are protagonist and both sides are in the wrong this is emo?

*Jesse Jackson moons SMNLORDDev*

Kiss it.

Ah South Park.