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#102 May 06 2006 at 7:14 PM Rating: Default
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Different people find enjoyment in different parts of this game. It's not like a single player game where there is a straight storyline and then you win. While FFXI has storylines, and some people find it very enjoyable to get Rank 10 in all three cities; others couldn't care less. Some people want to get several jobs to 75 with full relic/god gear/whatever in the shortest time possible. Some people like fishing or crafting or helping out lower level players with quests and missions. Some people just want to chat on their LS or in /tell with their friends.

Like it or not, some people buy gil to avoid a part of the game they don't like, to reach a goal they want.

FFXI is a game constrained by limits. Limits in the amount of exp/hour, limits in drop rates on "good" gear, limits on how often mobs pop.

Each of us as individual players finds parts of the game that they enjoy and fits that around the limits imposed by the developers as best they can.

I have an LS-mate who wants a Brown Belt. He has so far been unable to get the drop from Morlborger. I'm sure he could earn the 3 million or whatever a Brown Belt costs but to him completing the quest is the important part. So he does without and continues to try every once in a while against the mass of people camping.

Some of those campers are no doubt botting/hacking, another "cheat" just like buying gil, that allows the user to circumvent the limits of the game. I am sure that some of those botters are gil sellers; and some are just players looking to make some easy gil to buy some other piece of limited gear that will help make their personal FFXI experience more enjoyable.

Making moral judgements that always assume our personal way of playing the game is superior to all others is just wrong.

As for the golf analogy, why should I care if another golfer has more expensive clubs than I? I'm out there for the exercise and fresh air and some time at the 19th hole with my buddies. Maybe someone else is out their to be the "hole in one" champ and a third person is shmoozing business clients and a fourth is using his compressed air gun to show off his marksmanship skills. None of this matters; what matters is when there is only one golf ball and all four of us want it; and there won't be another golf ball for 21-24 hours. Now we have a conflict. I'm more deserving because I'm playing the game for the pure enjoyment, the Hole in One champ is more deserving (in his mind) because of his elite skills within the rules of the game, the air gun guy thinks he is more deserving because of his creativity in circumventing the rules of the game; and the rich businessman... well, we all know how rich businessmen think.
#103 May 06 2006 at 7:25 PM Rating: Decent
If ppl want to enjoy the game their own way... fine!

There is absolutlely nothing wrong with playing the game the way u want to...

With that said... it is NOT fine by making the game miserable for OTHER players!

By buying gil (which is A CHEAPA$$ CHEATCODE), the prices for items skyrocket... and then makes harder for OTHER players to buy the items THEY want and ruins THEIR gaming experience!

If u want to enfoy FFXI, feel free to... BUT DO NOT be a selfish noob and ruin it for OTHER players!

#104REDACTED, Posted: May 06 2006 at 7:45 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) if i ever come back im gonna be a full time bst :p this game is flawed big time.. melees wait forever for a party and have to spend an insane amount to even be considered for a party, its like be bored out of your mind as a brd/rdm, or well be bored out of your mind waiting for a pt.
#105 May 06 2006 at 7:50 PM Rating: Default
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Ryouken -

I have to say that this is where I disagree with the "standard" anti-RMT argument. I do not believe that the #1 postulation of the anti-RMT crowd, i.e. "gilbuying raises the cost of items" is true. I'm not going to start an economics argument because that's been done ad nauseum. Let me instead provide an example from my personal gaming experience on Gilgamesh.

When I got to RDM to 70, I set out to beat that ******* Maat. I was 0/6 and pretty discouraged because I was failing a task that would further my personal enjoyment of the game. I decided that a pair of Wood Gauntlets (RSE2) would help me succeed. At this point I had four options for obtaining this item:

1) Doing the BCNM60 and hoping for the drop. I tried this; asked people on my LS and found some that were interested but somehow was never able to get the right combination of people online and ready to go at the same time. My seals remain unused.

2) Borrowing a pair. Tried this also. Asked around; the only person on my LS who ever had a pair had sold them already.

3) Farming/Crafting. This is what I did. I crafted like crazy for three weeks until I had the five million gil it took to buy a pair.

4) Buying gil. I could have done this; I don't know how much five million costs but I make 50k/year and even after my mortgage and bills and everything else that is RL, I could come up with an extra $50 or $100 for gil.

Either way, I got the gloves, beat Maat, and enjoyed my personal gaming experience. Either way, the pair of gloves I bought did not go to some other player who wanted them for the enjoyment of his personal gaming experience.

BCNM drops are less limited than say, Ulli pops, but in the end all that "good" gear exists in some limited quantity. If your gameplay is "ruined" because you can't get a limited item - regardless of why - then you might want to reconsider why you are playing.

In my opinion, too many of the people posting about the evils of gil-buying predicate their enjoyment of the game on having things that someone else doesn't. Their gaming experienced is "ruined" when a person uses RL money to get what they spent hours and hours of playtime achieving. If they weren't enjoying those hours of trying to achieve the goal as much as, if not more than the goal itself, it might be time to go back to a single player game.

#106 May 06 2006 at 7:57 PM Rating: Good
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The OP wrote:
A friend of mine just got his first pay check and offered to buy me lunch at McDonalds with his hard earned money. I told him to get lost. McDonalds? NgrPlz.

The next day, this guy I know kidnapped a little girl and held her at gunpoint for a million dollar ransom. He got the money, shot the girl anyway, and evaded the police. He offered to buy me a $1000 lunch at a fancy resteraunt using the ransom money. I told him hell yes, that girl was pretty stupid anyway. Where are we eating?


Cheating in a video game is one thing. If you wanted to spend real money on 999999 Gil for Final Fantasy 7, go for it, it's your own money and it doesn't hurt anyone.

Cheating in an MMORPG in a way that directly hurts thousands of other players that play with you just because you're 'above everyone else' and it won't affect you is pathetic. How dare you turn your back on the thousands of people that HELPED YOU get to 75.
#107 May 06 2006 at 8:06 PM Rating: Good
U dont know why gil-selling is bad!?

OK then! Let me explain:

The items in the game are priced depending on the average income (gil) that the overall players possessed

So if the net income of each player is 1000gil, then the prices would be changed to balance out that said income (thats why the prices of items change!)

Another factor is the avialability of items and equipment, if they make too much then anyone can buy them anywhere, thus taking away the challange of the game...

What GIL-SELLER users end up doing, is buy large amounts of gil!

By doing this, the average prices of items rise (cuz the net income is rising!) and they go out and buy all the good items and equipment (lowering the availibility of items!)...

Even worse, some of them (usually most of them) end up selling those good items and equipment back to the other players (the ones who arent dumba$$ noobs) for double (or triple!) the original sales price, thus causing a downward spiral effect (that means everything goes to hell!)...

Thats why the majority of the servers economy is so bad! If u ACTUALLY KNEW HOW the game worked, then u would know that!

And if u havnt realized this by now... The use of companies like IGE and buying gil, could have ur account banned from FFXI (thats right... its illegal for u to use IGE!)...

So stop being so selfish and accept the fact that gil-selling IS NOT OK!

Edited, Sat May 6 21:07:55 2006 by Ryouken
#108 May 06 2006 at 9:18 PM Rating: Decent
I don't support gilbuying because it's a cheap way out. You're playing this game for what it's worth, and for better or worse, getting gil is a cornerstone of this game. Equipping a SH or a Haubergeon or any other high-priced item definitely feels better when you've worked hard to earn it.

Also, gil is NOT hard to get in this game if you just use your brain. There are several low level crafting recipes that can net you a nice chunk of change if you farm ingredients, which can usually be found in all the newbie zones.

As I said, buying gil is a cheap way to play the game. I wouldn't feel obliged to exile someone just because they bought gil, but I would think less of their character just a bit.
#109 May 06 2006 at 10:06 PM Rating: Decent
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Why the hell is the op getting rate ups? The only potential reasons I can think of are:

A) People rating up and then saying how they "admire the ops honesty" to paint themselves as being open-minded, or

B) Fellow gilbuyers trying to feel less guilty than they already are
#110 May 06 2006 at 10:09 PM Rating: Decent
I bought gil, and I most certainly never felt guilt. When it allowed me to do what I wanted to do in game without spending hours farming. Its my time to spend the ways that I want, its my life, and my money.
#111 May 06 2006 at 10:13 PM Rating: Good
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I bought gil, and I most certainly never felt guilt. When it allowed me to do what I wanted to do in game without spending hours farming. Its my time to spend the ways that I want, its my life, and my money.


You know what? I stole a car, and I most certainly never felt guilt. When it allowed me to do what I wanted to do in life without spending hours in a job. It's my time to spend the ways that I want, it's my life.

/sarcasm off.

I swear to god, mere words cannot describe the hatred I have towards you.
#112 May 06 2006 at 10:14 PM Rating: Decent
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I swear to god, mere words cannot describe the hatred I have towards you.


Im sure you hate anyone that doesnt fit your ideals. Hitler was the same way.
#113 May 06 2006 at 10:15 PM Rating: Good
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m sure you hate anyone that doesnt fit your ideals. Hitler was the same way.



You know what? Where's the local **** chapter in the Phoenix area, the posts I've been seeing lately are giving me a lot of sympathy...
#114 May 06 2006 at 10:19 PM Rating: Decent
Actually I would be looking for the nearest gyno if I were you, because you appear to have something lodged in your ******.

Seriously who cares what people do. In this world we will never be fully satisfied with peoples choices and decisions. I dont believe in people buying performance parts for cars, because its to me its just transportation from point A to point B, but you dont see me sitting on forums telling them I hate them or what to do with their lives. It would just be unrealistic, and a worthless cause. If people have money to fuel whatever hobby it is so be it, you are no saint nor are you one to pass judgement as I am sure like anyone else you are void of perfection.
#115 May 06 2006 at 10:20 PM Rating: Decent
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Actually I would be looking for the nearest gyno if I were you, because you appear to have something lodged in your ******.

Seriously who cares what people do. In this world we will never be fully satisfied with peoples choices and decisions. I dont believe in people buying performance parts for cars, because its to me its just transportation from point A to point B, but you dont see me sitting on forums telling them I hate them or what to do with their lives. It would just be unrealistic, and a worthless cause. If people have money to fuel whatever hobby it is so be it, you are no saint nor are you one to pass judgement as I am sure like anyone else you are void of perfection.


Since no one is gonna care what I do, I'm gonna go murder some Jews!!! No one is perfect, so they have no right to stop me! Ok, now to start some good ol' fashioned Eisengruppen...
#116 May 06 2006 at 10:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Since no one is gonna care what I do, I'm gonna go murder some Jews!!! No one is perfect, so they have no right to stop me! Ok, now to start some good ol' fashioned Eisengruppen...


Now you are just being unreasonable. But I am sure there is somewhat of a semi valid argument amongst making a *** of yourself. You really look foolish with the above, and let me be the first to point that out for you.
#117 May 06 2006 at 10:33 PM Rating: Decent
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Now you are just being unreasonable. But I am sure there is somewhat of a semi valid argument amongst making a *** of yourself. You really look foolish with the above, and let me be the first to point that out for you.


Since when have you been reasonable? In nearly all your recent posts, you've devolved to shouting profanities and name calling at those who disagree with you. I'm just sinking to your level.

Oh yeah, anyone know where I can find some chlorine gas? Need it for a project of mine...

Edited, Sat May 6 23:39:49 2006 by MisterCookie
#118 May 06 2006 at 10:36 PM Rating: Decent
By unreasonable I mean you are unaware of what a fool you make of yourself by making some sort of broken relation between a statement of personal hapiness and content with that to which is physically harmful to a individual or race. Its a comparison that doesnt hold any validity in a argument. Atleast when making jabs it has somewhat of a relevancy, it just shows that you missed my point entirely and gave it your own context. Which is something someone of lesser intelligence would generally do. Its a common mistake.
#119 May 06 2006 at 11:24 PM Rating: Good
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I bought gil, and I most certainly never felt guilt. When it allowed me to do what I wanted to do in game without spending hours farming. Its my time to spend the ways that I want, its my life, and my money.


Somehow, this doesn't surprise me.
#120 May 06 2006 at 11:25 PM Rating: Default
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I dont care if they are gimps or gil buyers. Better xp always wins in my book. I've partied with a few gil sellers before and got a lot of hate from people outside the party... but it was one of the best xp parties i ever had.
#121 May 07 2006 at 12:02 AM Rating: Decent
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Somehow, this doesn't surprise me.





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......... You finally found your boyhood!


and when I sold my gil back I made $700 :P It was more like borrowing gil rather than buying.
#122 May 07 2006 at 12:17 AM Rating: Decent
Eonsssss.. can I borrow $100? <3
#123 May 07 2006 at 12:18 AM Rating: Excellent
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EonsdarkCaitsith wrote:
I dont believe in people buying performance parts for cars, because its to me its just transportation from point A to point B, but you dont see me sitting on forums telling them I hate them or what to do with their lives. It would just be unrealistic, and a worthless cause. If people have money to fuel whatever hobby it is so be it


What is with these stupid analogies that don't actually reflect RMT correctly? Buying a huge spoiler for your Honda Civic doesn't have a negative impact on the people around you. Buying gil does.

Buying and selling Gil destroys the very game you play. If not for you, then it destroys it for the other hundreds of thousands of players that are legit. That gil has to come from somewhere, it comes from gilfarmers and rich players that want to make a real buck. Non-buyers have to put up with ridiculous prices and teams of farmers camping mobs 24/7 because there are those people out there that buy gil. If there was no market for it, they would vanish. If you fuel the market by buying, the RMT companies will only expand and create even more problems and cause even more frustration to other players.

To buy gil you must honestly not give a **** about other people and how you contribute to the downfall of the game that you like to play. Not to mention the fact that you are completely disrespecting the very people that developed the game.
#124 May 07 2006 at 12:19 AM Rating: Decent
Ahgama wrote:
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What is with these stupid analogies that don't actually reflect RMT correctly? Buying a huge spoiler for your Honda Civic doesn't have a negative impact on the people around you. Buying gil does.


Like hell it doesn't. I hate ricers
#125 May 07 2006 at 12:24 AM Rating: Default
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and when I sold my gil back I made $700 :P It was more like borrowing gil rather than buying.


You win this time. :D
#126 May 07 2006 at 12:26 AM Rating: Decent
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Buying and selling Gil destroys the very game you play. If not for you, then it destroys it for the other hundreds of thousands of players that are legit.


What can I say, I just dont care really! It doesnt destroy the economy anymore than your greedy friends do.

And Doomy you can have it all :P YAY DOOMY!
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