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#427 May 14 2006 at 2:22 PM Rating: Decent
"It's such an obvious developer pipe dream that perhaps some secretly hope that IGE can work. *cough* Sony *cough* Like I said, if it was gonna work, it would have worked already before. Good luck trying to increase prices paid by players when competition comes rushing in to provide better content for a lower price."
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It's interesting that you point this out. I've had many, MANY problems with Sony Online Entertainment games, namely Everquest and Star Wars Galaxies. These bastards really have NO clue on how to run an MMORPG and if you don't believe me, go to the Star Wars Galaxies link here in Allakhazam, and see how players feel about their "updates". They've practically ruined those MMORPGs and kept pushing crappy expansions just to make an extra buck. I really wouldn't be too surprised if Sony Online would stoop so low as to want to make gil buying more successful as long as they get a share of the profit.
But I agree, it'll never happen, because they always keep under estimating the very players that sign up for their games. You can sit here and talk all you want about how "Oh it doesn't matter, even if ALL people that dislike gil buyers and gil sellers left, there would still be enough players to run the game." If you have that sick and twisted mentality, think again. I checked the Star Wars Online posts from about a month ago, I haven't checked them recently, and there is credible evidence showing that the Star Wars license might be pulled out, given to another developer, and the current star wars game would be taken off line for good, until a better, more responsible developer makes another one. All of this, because Sony NEVER took into consideration what veteran players who worked in the test servers opinions to heart. They made crappy expansions, crappy updates, riddled the game with bugs and still tried to pass it off as a good game, Everquest is also riddled with bugs to this day.
I honestly don't want to leave this game, in fact, I have come back 3 times already to this game from trying Star Wars, Everquest and City of Heroes. This is by far one of the best games so far. I think part of it is because SE DOES listen to its players and knows that something has to be done, no matter how little it might be (remember the valentines day gil sellers massacre?). Think about it, by supporting Gil Buying and Gil Selling, you're basically supporting the lowering of standards in thsi game, just so you can get some EXP. Never under estimate the rest of us players who play according to the TOS, believe me, if we ALL left, the same way THOUSANDS have left Star Wars Galaxies, SE WOULD have to close the servers and close Final Fantasy 11 for good. So don't provoke us >:)
#428 May 14 2006 at 8:16 PM Rating: Default
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Way back on page 3...

GalkaAnimal said:
Yes, he's selfish. I'm selfish too. Guess what- it's not a crime. Despite what your liberal socialist teachers are telling you- all money isn't community money.

How I get where I am is my problem. I have no one to blame but myself. The same goes with every other individual who plays this game.

I wonder how many of you people ******** about RMT being against the ToS use windower and have posted cursing [GM]Jcblue.

I look at people using 3rd party programs and buying gil with the same amount of apathy. But if you violate TOS, then you violate TOS- windowers are no better than gil buyers. Yeah, I said it, what?
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All I can say is he just owned 90 percent of this forum.




all i can say is that your a dumbass that needs to go back and read the other 6 pages before talking about who gets "owned"
#429REDACTED, Posted: Jun 07 2006 at 10:35 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Personally I don't care what people do to enjoy a video game its beneath me to tell another person how to play a fictional reality. If I was rich I would probably buy loads of gil just for the heck of it and pass it around to however gave the best conversation of the day. Everyone is so quick to blame people who sell gil and all affiliates invovled, although alot of the companies that do sell them are 3rd world and even more are forced to do so.
#431 Jun 07 2006 at 11:50 AM Rating: Decent
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The people who are upset with gilbuyers, is it because they break the rules, or because it has a direct effect on you as a player?

If you are mad because they break the rules, then GalkaAnimal's point about windowers is valid. Breaking a rule is breaking a rule, no if and or buts about it.

If you are upset because it effects you, then CellyO (i think) is valid in his point because he is beyond the point where it effects him.

I fail to see where this thread has gone over nine pages.
#432 Jun 07 2006 at 2:23 PM Rating: Default
You're all butthurt w1ggers who need something to do besides playing FFXI.

Gilbuying is cheating and has ill effects no matter how you look at it, stupid w1ggers...Al qaeda needs to bomb your american *** some more.
#433 Jun 07 2006 at 2:25 PM Rating: Decent
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In Soviet Jeuno, gil buys you!
#434 Jun 07 2006 at 2:35 PM Rating: Default
lol, that was a good one.
#435 Jun 07 2006 at 5:13 PM Rating: Good
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A good write dose not always make a good point.

Its very unfair that I can sit there and work my *** off doing everything I can for weeks to earn the Gil to buy that next level of armor/weapons/spells/wtf-ever so I can gain that edge just to have Joe Blow the 15yr old with mommy and daddy's CC number that goes and buys X amount of Gil In 10 mins and snags the goods I worked to obtain.

If you think this Is fine then you need to be hit with a VERY large object. The point of an player run economy Is to give EVERYONE the same chance to barter for Items, this Is not possible when people buy large amounts of Gill and rape the AH of any Items they can.

They need to start banning everyone who buys or sells gill, end of story.
#436 Jun 07 2006 at 5:19 PM Rating: Decent
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HOLY NECROPOST FROM HELL BATMAN!!!

This is the thread that pushed me away to begin with, who brought this sh[green][/green]it back? Rate down for you.
#437 Jun 07 2006 at 5:23 PM Rating: Default
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How Is It a 'necropost from hell'? It was around the middle of the list....If you want I can go to the last page and drudge up some old post from months ago =p

EDIT: Ah, nevermind, I see, someone a few posts up brought It back from May 14th, my bad lol

Edited, Jun 7th 2006 at 5:25pm EST by reien
#438 Jun 07 2006 at 6:05 PM Rating: Decent
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I hope the fleas of a thousand camels plague the crotch of whoever necroed this thread.
#439 Jun 07 2006 at 6:09 PM Rating: Decent
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Do I know you? I created that phrase...more than a decade ago...
#440 Jun 07 2006 at 6:59 PM Rating: Default
Fully agree with the OP. Its really to bad SE doesnt do like oand just sell game money themselves. They could produce a ton of revenue and would make the game so much more playable by so many more people. I dont give crap 1 where people get their gil, its not my cooncern. I made TONS more cash, much more easily under the gil seller boon last Christmas than I have made before or since from my farming. The gill seller economy was very good to me, and I for one wouldnt mind seeing it return. It cuts out some of the jerky, elitest nature from the game, which is always a good thing, and it helps people who dont otherwise have the time, be able to enjoy the game and compete on a level playing field.

Gil seller economy <yes please>.
#441 Jun 07 2006 at 7:21 PM Rating: Decent
here come the apologists, resurrecting this god-awful thread. come on sub-default this crap already
#442 Jun 07 2006 at 10:45 PM Rating: Default
I read stuff about liberals and ***** but has there been a pot smoking joke yet? if not...

I was going to buy gil once but then I got high.


*is seriously addicted to getting teh ratezorz dwn"
#443 Jun 08 2006 at 4:56 AM Rating: Decent
on this issue i sort of sit on the fence.....i dont dis-respect people who buy Gil...IF they know how to play theyre job..solo or in a PT..me personally i would buy gil...not 100's of millions but maybe like 100K or something, just enough to get my craft to a level where i can make some decent cash..low 20/30's....in fact the reason i dont is that i dont know wich sites to trust....if people dont know how to play there job then they SHOULDNT buy gil...they should farm and learn theyre job

i DISAGREE with the fact that SE should sell gil as the game wouldnt be about who farms e.t.c it would be about whos has the money to burn in real life....they may aswell take away gil and replace it with the GBP or USD or something if that was the case

Edited, Jun 8th 2006 at 5:00am EST by Malakiii
#444 Jun 08 2006 at 6:52 AM Rating: Decent
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The game wasn't designed for people to be able to purchase instant gil. Gil-buying affects the game in various negative ways.
#446 Jun 08 2006 at 11:21 AM Rating: Default
The problem is that gil buying is why the game economy is so crazy. The gil sellers are keeping the prices high to force people into thinking they have to buy gil to play. Funny thing is, people are actually stupid enough to pay the high amounts off the AH. I can walk into a shop and buy a stack of something for 150gil each and turn around and sell it for 10k on the AH. People that buy gil don't care how high the price is when they buy something keeping the flow of the prices high.

On top of that I have a theory that gil sellers are still camping NMs that now drop the Rare/Ex version of items to keep other people from getting them to force them into getting the version on the AH for an insane amount.

Lets face it... If people didn't buy or sell gil then the prices would be down and people wouldn't be greedy.
#448 Jun 08 2006 at 1:59 PM Rating: Decent
On top of that I have a theory that gil sellers are still camping NMs that now drop the Rare/Ex version of items to keep other people from getting them to force them into getting the version on the AH for an insane amount.

And you would be correct, least on Ramuh.
#449 Jun 08 2006 at 4:53 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm sure they camp the /ex items to keep demand up, not to mention they probably have one pair of all the rare versions of these items on each of the 16 characters on every content ID they own. I'm sure the big RMT max out each accounts number of characters in order to be able to store as many rare items as possible for later sale(since rare but not /ex items can be traded and sold but you cannot have two of the same rare item at the same time) as well as for the extra AH and delivery box slots. In fact it's likely they have entire repository accounts just for storage and transferring items to and from other RMT controlled characters. It would be foolish to store such valuables on an account that regularly violates the terms of service so these accounts are set up as "clean" players, I.E they do not meet players to sell them gil, they do not camp notorious monsters or bot shops or crafts, they simply hold items and transfer them so that the RMT themselves arent the ones whose name is seen in public doing AH and send/deliver transactions.
#450 Jun 08 2006 at 8:27 PM Rating: Default
Yeah, this is a really good thread and great points were made. I personally don't care if a person buys gil or not, as long as he or she is a good player. Myself I got a wife and 2 CARS to feed so no gil buying for me. There are some people out there that work 12 - 18+ hrs on a job, (example: some of the people over in Iraq). Once they get off work why the hell would they want to spend there little free time camping an NM that 90% of the time they miss TOD, when they can take there hard earned money buy gil and get what they want. It's your money who am I to tell someone else how to spend it. As far as camping NM's go, if it's not a gil seller there it is someone upgrading there relic. As far as buying expensive or rare items, I never buy them from the AH anyways cause there are always some selling it for a cheaper price and it is usually a person in ur LS. Finally I have been noticing a trend most the people that say gil buying is wrong are those that just get by in the game, they never farm, never camp, can't garden or never do a BCNM so they blame there problems on us who are high lvl where sweet gear and do all the above.
#451 Jun 09 2006 at 12:00 PM Rating: Decent
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I admire the OP for putting out a reasoned, thoughtful arguement for a position that is DEFINITELY not poplular.

I personally don't care if a party is only getting 3000 exp per hour. I don't like it when pple die and we all have to sit around waiting for weakness to wear, but if we are all fighting, then I'm happy. As far as I know, the end game is just more of the same. I enjoy exp parties, therefore I have no earthly reason to get levels more quickly. I enjoy partying so much in comparison to walking back to cities that I frequently blood warp, if I don't have a warp scroll with me and can't warp myself. The only reason I have ever rushed levelling a job is so I could be the right level to static with some friends for a while.

I don't care if players have gimped equipment, unless they are dropping dead from too low level armour.
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