I support gil buying.Follow

IMO it's just a matter of time before we see the rmt killer announcement banning 800 gil buyers, which terrifies gil buying demand into dropping by 75% or 90% for a real stretch of time. After demand dries up a whopping amount like that a massive trail of tearful exiting gil sellers will occur in the following weeks and months.

If you could look at SE's data which has been accumulating since the delivery box limitation change you'd probably be amazed at the chain link evidence. All the rmt meet and trade occurences which are limited to a few obvious zones like Lower Jeuno will capture a huge percentage of the problem. I highly doubt gil sellers and middleman companies use a different credit card and account info for every single delivery mule. I think all those routine 1M, 5M, 10M, 20M repeat occurences are now throwing up big red flags.

Yup, the biggest problem in cracking down on RMT has been an identification issue. Solving rmt is as easy as solving prostitution on a particular street. You take photos, you post notices of cameras recording, you confiscate cars, you publish those caught, and a massive street prostitution problem in a particular block is almost entirely eradicated overnight.

How many people do you think would still buy gil if SE announced the banning of 800 gil buyer accounts? Yeah, they'd be scared straight. That's the other super problem aspect of gil buying; gil buyers have no fear of being caught. See the hilarious thread of one gil buyer shouting where is his gil delivery person. Wouldn't it be a great read to see the names of 800 banned gil buyers.

SE had enough evidence to previously ban 800 gil seller accounts and delte 300 billion gil. They could suspect a fair number of gil buyers by analzing transactions conducted by those banned characters, but with trades and repeat gil deliveries the liniing evidence is now much much better.

You've got to think that at the time of the holiday super gil sale SE was about one more doubling of prices away from seeing massive cancellations of subscribers. I'd be shocked if January and February 2006 weren't record months for cancelled accounts and revenue declines for SE. You know they and everyone else took notice of what was going on. It was embarrasing for SE.

When you make as much money as SE does you can't be stupid forever. They know that games like WoW are just the tip of the coming competition iceberg. They have to be aware that the #1 customer disatisfaction complaint is rmt ruining the game.

I doubt SE would ever do sting type operations involving buying gil directly from gil selling sites. They don't need to. They can now get all the information they need. How easy it must be now to dye almost the entire rmt network, including conspicuous gil buyers. It's not like a different credit card and account is going to be used for every gil delivery. This stuff will easily stand out as super red flags.

Since I've called this coming since the very first day SE made the delivery box changes I will be first in line laughing at the players who are the caught examples. The next SE crackdown will be the big real meaningful crackdown. I'm sure SE does not want to get anywhere near to the type of situation which happened over this past x-mas holiday ever again. IMO they were precariously close to losing 50% of subscribers and all the millions in monthly revenue that come with it. And no doubt they also paid just an enormous price in having far less new xbox subscribers than they would've had had that holiday super sale not happened.

After the banning happens, I think prices will drop somewhere around 50% across the board for those big ticket items.

This gil buyer ban is coming. It's unavoidable. SE is trying protect 2-3-5 million in monthly revenue, and it just might so completely rejuvinate the game that SE is rewarded with a doubling influx of new player blood. The farm grind is such a grind because rmt is in the way making things vastly more difficult than it was even at ps2 launch. It's no longer something that can be, or even SE wants to, sweep under the rug. I think they finally learned a massive lesson.

The rmt problem is one mass banning and one announcement away from being mostly gone a long time in ffxi. Gil sellers will come back harder than multiplying roaches if there's a market demand still there. But you put a big hit on market demand (and you only have to do it once) and the gil sellers will wither and die with almost nobody paying them to do what they do. This ain't addictive drugs.

This is kiddie play. All it takes is the right tracking program to do almost daily and weekly what would take the IRS or Justice Department years and decades in the past. SE got burned because they didn't have those systems in place to detect billions being duped, being botted from rusty fishing, etc. I'm pretty sure they do now. If you had a business that could be valued as more profitable than Google, wouldn't you protect it? What would Google do to combat third parties gaming their site rating system siphoning off profit? This is much easier to do in SE's world as they have all the data at the fingertips which can be instantaneously analyzed.

/still boldly predicting

MonxDoT I hope you're right. Personally I will laugh my *** off at every gil buying tard who gets their account deleted. Talk about striking fear into the hearts of people... anyone who ever bought any gil would be wondering daily if they'll get a "BANNINATED" message when they try to log in. They should ban around 1,000 accounts across all servers. That would be so awesome. People would be posting about how they "only bought 1M a year ago" getting their accounts deleted. All I can say is, I hope that 1M is going to be worth erasing 3 or more years of countless hours spent on a character.

At that point, there would be such a hardcore reality check that I bet the demand for buying gil would dry up in less than a week. What good is it going to do some gil-buying jackass to purchase 10M or whatever if their character could get deleted?

Seriously, if there are any SE reps reading this post, make this happen. Make gil buyers shake in their boots. RMT will dry up and go away with nobody purchasing their "services." The sooner, the better.

First off, he. Secondly, I said that I don't much care where the person next to me got their gil from. Some people don't have time to farm up 6 million gil for a SH, if they want to go RMT it then I won't judge them.


I'm not saying that people should ignore every law/rule. What I'm saying is that the laws/rules should be questioned. Is gilbuying against the rules? Yes, very clearly. Is it wrong? Personally, I don't think so. The question is how the community feels overall about it and to me it appears to be about 50/50. What I'm saying, is don't just automatically say "Gilbuying is bad because ToS that I agreed to says so!" Take some time and form up your own opinion on it, regardless of what ToS says.


This arguement pisses me off. I don't buy gil and don't really have a strong opinion on it, so I won't quit playing. But saying that it is "theirs" and I have no right to argue is just stupid.


I'm assuming that the person with 0 points bought an Osode from outside the LS? In which case, that person paid a certain amount of gil (regardless of where that gil came from) for him Osode. That piece of gear makes him a better player and makes the game better for anyone affiliated with him (better XP.) Him RMT'ing an osode doesn't change the fact that the person with 100 points him his HNMLS will still be able to get one. It's not really fair, someone is using money to take a shortcut. But then again, life isn't fair and money can be used to take a shortcut in many different aspects of life.


Sigh, again... obviously, stealing or cheating in Las Vegas to obtain money is wrong. Just as stealing from a bank is wrong. It isn't wrong because it is a law though, it is MORALLY wrong. I don't think gilbuying is MORALLY wrong. I'm just encouraging people to question the law, besides just pointing to the law.

Uh no. Kirin is killed. The Osode drops. The HNMLS member with 0 points bids dollars. The HNMLS member with 100 points bids points. They are in the same HNMLS. The Kirin's Osode goes to the 0 point HNMLS member who bid dollars. That's gil buying. Don't try to skate around or pretend it's not. So try again.

The example is absolutely no different than this example. Mee is killed. O. Kote drops. O. no Kote is listed on AH. Gil buyer bids with bought gil. Honest player bids with his earned gil. Gil buyer gets the O. Kote.

The Kirin's Osode example is the same example as any item whatsoever that is bought with gil.

So how is it fair, how is it ok, how does it make the server better euipped, etc.?

It's obvious cheaters harm non cheaters in absolutely every instance of gil buying to purchase items on the AH. Prices are by definition higher for everyone else. Everyone else has to grind farm harder and longer. Gil buying changes the order distribution.

What you obviously recognize would cause an HMMLS to riot and dissolve is what goes less detected by most because they don't see the actual effect that gil buyers in every instance make an honest player(s) have to wait longer/pay more.

So if it's not ok for a 0 point HNMLS member to outbid a 100 point HNMLS by using dollars to buy gil to get the Kirin's Osode before the 100 point HNMLS member, how can gil buying be ok for any item whatsoever? This shows exactly what hypocrites CellyO and all gil buyer justifiers really are.

You wouldn't be pissed if some noob along for his first Kirin kill got an Osode before you on your 20th Kirin kill? ******** and you know it.

Edited, Fri May 12 19:57:57 2006 by MonxDoT

Edited, Fri May 12 20:05:17 2006 by MonxDoT

There's nothing preventing 10, 50, 100, or 1,000 gil buyers from jumping ahead of you. Patience my *** lol. That's why things like O. Kote jumped in price by 5-8M. If you wouldn't allow or condone it in your own personal HNMLS then don't allow or condone it anywhere. Is that so hard to grasp?

Let's see you and CellyO tell people in your own LSs to "deal with it". You won't, and thus your argument is a flawed lie. More people using dollars just exacerbates the problem. It doesn't solve the obvious cheating issues.

The people with the "instant graification" issues are the cheater gil buyers. If you won't personally let people in your HNMLS "cut in line" then don't advocate cutting in line anywhere else in the game. You out there volunteering to give your drops to every newest member, every newest player, so you can be last for everything, then you have nothing to say. You're just being hypocritical because you think you missed most of the negative effect gil buying has from personally effecting you, just like CellyO. You don't let people cut in line in front of you for rare/ex drops so don't argue anybody should be able to cut in line of others, for anything.

There's no reason to play the game then if that kind of cheating becomes rampant. Logically followed, the end result is the destruction of the game as a game. It's just a pissing contest of who will throw the most rl money to get their stuff first. Things become unearned and the game gets damaged and eventually ruined if the problem becomes bad enough.

Edited, Sun May 14 00:04:51 2006 by MonxDoT

This isn't too on topic but:

I think that just means he missed the FIRST hit. From what I've read with multi-hit weapon skills the first hit has to land.

*holds his forehead, kind of makes a whiny noise, shakes his head*

Stupidest thing you've written here yet, and that's saying a lot. Instant gratification issue is a gilbuyer trait first and foremost. Why else pay real money for what real players earn in game?

And how would you know? I seriously doubt you're in an HNMLS or you'd be more familiar with gilbuyers bribing their way into god items by shadowing Sky linkshells and dangling 200 million gil at them for the right to lot on Byakko's Haidate before their own members. If you weren't all mouth you'd be aware that there might be 10 or 15 LS members with points in that shell, working toward these items over many months. Instant gratification my ***. You try farming the pop items and killing Sky gods week after week after week to let some worthless gilbuyer on a bought account who just can't wait jump the line.

It's mindless lemmings like you that create this situation, but you haven't the smarts or the attention span to understand the results of what you do. I cannot tell you how happy I will be when your obvious case of fullblown ADD sends you over to some other game to pollute.

Why else ***** and moan because you aren't the first person to get an item?


Seriously doubt I'm in an HNMLS? I've been in one for over a year. 75BRD/75SAM/70NIN. Look up something about people before you make an *** of yourself. If your LS is being bribed by IRL money, then you all should fucking leave... NOW.


Mindless lemmings like me? From the sounds of things, your in an HNM shell which sells items to the highest bidders. Don't blaim them, just get the hell out.



I pay all the bills since I've been on my own, for about 4 years. I wouldn't say my family was rich, but we also weren't poor. I've earned everything I have, I've worked hard throughout my life and I can honestly say that nothing has been handed to me. You cannot say, with any form of honesty, that money doesn't get you things that other can't have. It's a fact. Whether you like it or not, it exists in FFXI until SE does something about it.

My point still stands, I don't give two shits about where the guy in my PT got his money I just care that he does his job.

Edited, Sat May 13 01:29:24 2006 by Trinitee

I didn't read any of the replies, so if this has already been said i apologize.

I did not see anything in your post about where that gil these people are buying comes from. Gilfarmers are everywhere now. I mean EVERYWHERE. And there are new up and coming gilfarming parties every day. They're in Sky, every HNM pop, Eastern Shadow, Western Shadow, Mee Deggi, Torrent, etc, etc, etc.... There are RMT crafters, churning out silent oils and sushi 24/7. There are RMT miners, at every single mining point in Gusgen. There are RMT chocobo diggers, going at it 24/7 depeleting every zone of everything worthwhile.

I could go on and on but everyone knows what i'm getting at here. When you buy gil, you're funding more and more of this behavior, making it more difficult for the people who dont want to buy gil. Yes, there are other ways of making gil, but that's beside the point.

If you support gil buying, you support that rude, selfish, MPKing group of asshats sitting at Amemet's camp all day.





Edited, Sat May 13 03:28:17 2006 by metrofinger

Yeah, that's so, I think your average American grade schooler knows that.
And does that make it right?

Is it right to cheat your way past part of the game with money? I don't care what face you paint on it, let's call a spade a spade, it's cheating. You're taking a private, 'rich idiots only' shortcut through something which more honorable or less foolish players must work through. Who's better, the guy who wins the race by running, or the guy who cuts through the woods to the finish line? Who's put more work into it, the student who spends four hours writing a research paper, or the student who downloads one from the Internet? Who learned more? Who's brighter? You tell me.

So we'll go by 'reality', and we'll say that no, cheating is not right.

So knowing it's wrong, and knowing that you're standing there and trying to tell people that it doesn't matter, I'm supposed to lie down and shut up, because *it will happen anyway*?

Uh, no. I put more value in the ability of other people to think than that. I'd rather hope one so-so gilbuyer comes down off the needle, and take one more source of revenue away from the parasites hanging off these games, then roll over for guys like you who think the class ******** should extend to video games. I paid for the game. I paid my monthly fee. So did you. THAT is where it should end: from that point on the playing field is supposed to be level, until one or the other of us puts more effort into succeeding at the game.
What makes you think people are just going to suck it up and take it when you, or anyone else, comes flouncing in with a credit card wanting special privilege? What gives you that right? That's not part of the game, and just because some parasitical dealer wants to make it part of the game doesn't give YOU an excuse to throw your ethics in the mud, and sacrifice your honesty and gamesmanship for pixellated currency and a cheap shortcut.

Or does it?

'Money is more important than fair play'.
There's that inverse intelligence again. Sneaks up every time, big as balls and ugly as sin; everything is a f*cking class issue, even in a goddamned video game. Fair play goes out the window the minute someone whips out his Visa. America. F*ck yeah.

This is one reason why real-world PvP needs to come to FFXI, if you ask me. Making game life unlivable for limp-wristed gil-buyers might do a little more to knock some honesty into the game.

Imagine PvP for a moment.
Tons of people are leveling in the dunes.
The newly formed BLM of PvP LS walks into Valkrum.
They all split up and -aga every party within 3 minutes


Imagine NM camping
4 people are waiting on Lizzies
Either the aforementioned LS comes in to jack the Lizzie or a few bored 75 Ninjas throw up Utsu and destroy everyone


The only time I see PvP being fun are in certain zones and against gilsellers.