I support gil buying.Follow

different things are important to different people for their own reasons...

Very good plan but it would take a lot of banning and rebanning to work, ban one and they get a new account. But it would delete a lot of gil at once.

Police use the same tactic and it doesnt stop the crime completely, but even catching -some- sellers is a step in the right direction.

Personally, I agree with the OP. Much like her (I think?) I don't have money to buy gil. At the same time I don't much care where the person in my PT got their gil as long as they do their job well.

I've noticed a trend to pull out the almighty ToS and claim gilselling is wrong, because it is against the rules and therefore it is bad. Please. Simply because someone wrote down in a document somewhere that they do not want you doing something does not mean that what they think is automatically right. Do you not question anything that is in a book?

It's different to each person, I suppose. I won't berate anyone for being opposed to gilselling because I can see how a certain player would want an item that has been monopolized by gilsellers. Gilselling/buying exist and there isn't anything we can do to stop it. Sure, SE can attempt to combat it... but it won't stop. Look at the recent RMT measures that they took, undoubtedly the actions they took made a huge inconvience for IGE (as well as players such as myself who transfer large amounts of gil between mules) but the gilsellers are still here.

The only arguement I've seen against gilbuying is that fact that it helps keep the gilsellers around, which is true. However, you aren't going to get everyone to quit buying gil because you wave a piece of paper in their face that says "Hey! That's not allowed!"

The FFXI community, in my opinion, is much too large to use the arguement of "Don't buy gil, your hurting the community." I think this because in Gilgamesh (my server), there are probably 3000-5000 active players. Of those, I probably like/know 500 of them. I probably detest around the same amount. The other 4000 or so players I've never met and probably never will. If I were to buy gil, I wouldn't be thinking "Man, this will hurt those 4000 unknown people." If the communities were much smaller then I believe that community arguement would be feasble and in fact would be a good method of control for gilbuying.

Here is why gilselling ins WRONG.

Company employs 10 employees to work on the game to generate money. These employees get high end items and begin to not only dominate the sale of that item but they scheme to make the item even more expensive.

Employee A gets a emp pin drop. He sends it to employee B and keeps hunting Vulk emperor.

Employee B posts the price as higher than going rate.

Employee C buys the item at higher rate, money goes to employee A.

Employee C places it back on the market at a higher rate, employee A sends the money to employee D.

Employee D buys the item at the higher rate.

Eventually after much laundering of the item the value has skyrocketed.

Eventually it is sold to someone for much more than the original going rate. Perhaps double, triple or more.

If it were not for gil sellers YOU WOULDNT NEED TO BUY GIL!!!!

By doing so not only do they ensure more money coming in than money going out but they are also and absolutely ensuring that casual players -HAVE- to pay thier prices to afford the items they want in the game.

This isn't a simple case of Services offered and accepted, Gil sellers are the underground black market of the gaming world. Thier tactics are underhanded and untraceable. Do you congratulate the Mafia for selling cheap DVD players which set a truck driver on fire to get ahold of the dvd players? Do you thank your local drug dealer for selling drugs cheaper because he wacked the local competition and payed off the cops?

AM I a bit stunned that when the site owner also owns a gil selling company that comments like, "I support gil selling", and "It seems a lot more people sell gil than we thought." start popping up in the forums? Not at all.

Shame on all of you. You make me sick.


Edited, Thu May 11 19:54:18 2006 by Jadeskies

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... I cant believe what ur saying, u should probably take a second to realize what u just posted...

Generally rules are laws that instruct people what they can and CANNOT do. The TOS is a list of RULES that instruct the players what they can and CANNOT do.

So by simple analogy... that makes the TOS law...

Plus since SE wrote, and its THEIR game, that sorta means that u have no right to argue with it. If u do have problems with their rules, please feel free to stop playing the game...

Oh! And also... CONGRATULATIONS! U probably just made the lamest excuse to gilsell (even the one about the third-world chinese workers was better than urs)...

Please people stop bumping this topic...

Yes, it's a game, not unlike poker.
And like poker, there are more than one of us playing; and ALSO like poker, if I'm playing this game with you, you damn well better not pull spare cards out from under the table unless you want to leave the saloon on a gurney. They say cheaters never win, but you and I know that's only true as long as no one catches them, and I'll be damned if I see cheating condoned in this game at any rate.
This is indeed a game, thank you for the reality check, I sure needed that.
Games have rules, and if everyone broke the freaking rules there wouldn't be much 'game' left to it, would there?




The OP isn't saying that people should be allowed to do what they're going to do. That's ******** too, because cheating is only acceptable in solitaire (i.e. the rest of us don't want to put up with the consequences of cheaters, which is what gil-buying is), but what the OP is saying is that gil-buying is GOOD.
He's not being lassaiz-faire, or saying that people should regulate themselves. He's saying that people should NOT regulate themselves. He believes people ought to buy gil, because people who buy gil buy uber gear, and he likes uber gear in his parties because he gets exp faster.
In short, he's a self-centered and short-sighted fuzzball who wanted to start a flamewar and largely succeeded. In the old country we called them trolls, and shot them on sight before they could do this kind of harm.



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Edited, Fri May 12 03:21:48 2006 by Sioux

**** Germany had a ToS too. It ended up getting about 6 million jews killed.

But I guess since it was law it was okay, right?

Wait... are you compairing "NOT being allowed to buy gil" to "sending jews off to be killed"?


Edited, Fri May 12 10:17:30 2006 by avanent

That is a very distasteful and not very apporiate comparison... There are no comparison between game rules (and no one makes you to play the game) with dictatorship.

This doesn't hold water. Warez sites use this disclaimer too. It doesn't stop them from getting shut down, and sued. Child **** sites use this. It doesn't stop them from getting shut down, and tossed into jail.

There is no legal basis for stopping a criminal investigation against you. In fact if you do enough to hinder it, it's called obstruction of justice, and is a felony.

(doubleposted, darn lag)

Edited, Fri May 12 17:23:27 2006 by Morgrist

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