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#52 Aug 02 2005 at 5:11 AM Rating: Decent
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If I may state that I am not a photoshop pro or even very good, I fool with it from time to time yes and know a few things including JPEG compression put resized and edited both pictures in the exact same way save for the added red paint in the "fake.jpg" picture. I believe that the "fake" is a fake mainly because of the way that I setup both pictures the same way and they clearly show different results meaning he most likely had to alter his submitted pictures in some way.

How do you know what level of compression he used? Also, different programs often have different ways of compressing images -- how do you know what program he used to compress the pictures as JPEGs? You don't, I don't, and neither does anyone else in this thread.
#53 Aug 02 2005 at 5:12 AM Rating: Decent
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Its realy good to see GMs doing something, it realy is. However if this is how they are going about business now they will have to be realy carful that the whole thing does not backfire on them.
#54 Aug 02 2005 at 5:14 AM Rating: Default
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CAustin wrote:
[quote] How do you know what level of compression he used? Also, different programs often have different ways of compressing images -- how do you know what program he used to compress the pictures as JPEGs? You don't.


Elaborate, I'm always willing to learn something new. Also do you have any more information than the rest of us that could possibly solve this before it turns into a flame war?



Edit: Bed time -_-;;;

Edited, Tue Aug 2 06:14:39 2005 by Muninn
#55 Aug 02 2005 at 5:15 AM Rating: Good
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4. Also obvious, but coincidences being what they are... it takes time to make three screen shots. How quiet are any of the lower zones in Jeuno? In the time it took to arrive in Jeuno, send the tell, open the log, and scroll up to relevant conversation, not a single /sh manages to be recorded? I know Port Jeuno is not as busy with /sh, but come on....
Well, it could've been that he zoned into Port Jeuno, then immediately sent the /tell. He could've scrolled so that "Why are you doing this to me?" was the last thing in the chat log. Like you said before, the chat log was only about a third of the way down.

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1. We see no ====Mordion Gaol==== or any such marker in the beginning of the connversation. So either no warp occured and the OP is lying, or, that entry flag was scrolled out of the max range for the log.
Yeah, the first thing in the chat log was a "?" and a GM call. There was definitely stuff after and before that we're not seeing.
#56 Aug 02 2005 at 5:22 AM Rating: Default
A couple reasons why I call BS on this poor victim of an evil GM.

#1. Most of us have dealt with a GM at least once (when available ^^) and you know how they speak and deal with situations. There is a difference between being formal and then being "inhuman" -- which is how this story and log displays this GM. The GM doesn't even really speak logically, almost like a robot. I honestly do not believe (even if this GM was not English) this is a real conversation with a live human being.

#2 Unless there are new hardcore game rule servers that I don't know about...the idea of being able to or being accused of "stealing" gil from another player is crazy. Sure, there are farmers and sellers but the gil can not be forged nor can it be "stolen" off of the person. As this GM states the gil will be returned to it's 'rightful' owner?? LOL wtf...come on people this would never happen. But then again perhaps next time I see "Bob stills 99,999,999 gil from you and runs away." I should be worried ^^.

#3-- Lastly, look at this persons reaction to getting 1.9 mil gil taken away from him...he 'sorta' reacts, as any average Joe at this time would be kinda losing it and saying more than the same two lines over and over "Where he got the gil doesn't concern me." Kinda more of trying to prove a point then get his money back. (the money doesn't exist) My 2 gil -- peace.

Edited, Tue Aug 2 06:28:59 2005 by ExiledTemplar
#57 Aug 02 2005 at 5:23 AM Rating: Decent
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Elaborate, I'm always willing to learn something new. Also do you have any more information than the rest of us that could possibly solve this before it turns into a flame war?



Different compression methods means different amounts of artifacting.

Here's an example of the same screenshot I took. One has been saved through paint. the other was saved in photoshop with the quality set higher (less compression).

paint > http://img76.imageshack.us/my.php?image=compression15ti.jpg

photoshop > http://img76.imageshack.us/my.php?image=compression29ks.jpg
#58 Aug 02 2005 at 5:26 AM Rating: Decent
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Elaborate, I'm always willing to learn something new. Also do you have any more information than the rest of us that could possibly solve this before it turns into a flame war?
Well, it's pretty self-explanitory. Many programs that edit images -- or simply take screenshots -- provide options for the quality of the images they output, allowing the user to decide how much he wants to sacrifice quality for a smaller (in terms of storage, not dimentions) picture. If you have Photoshop, you should be able to easily find such options.
#59 Aug 02 2005 at 5:27 AM Rating: Default
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Thanks for showing me that, but what about the background around the wording? That's the main point I'm getting at.
#60 Aug 02 2005 at 5:27 AM Rating: Good
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I just heard that the "Scammer" and the "OMFG MY GILZ STOLEN?" people are the same person.. Duo-Accounts. Using one character to scam, then sending money to other character/account. I'm guessing the GM knew/assumed this.

And before anyone says "Who would have two accounts?!".. A lot of people do, actually. Heck, I got two accounts but only use one. (Free copy of the game at the Halloween/Anniversary party.)
#61 Aug 02 2005 at 5:28 AM Rating: Default
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Ok i dont know how nobody has noticed this yet but the easiest way to tell its a fake is his /tell to the GM after he gets back to Jeuno.

You cant sent a /tell to a GM cause they have everyone /blisted and when they want to talk to you they take you off. When there finished talking to you they put you back on.

So after he got back to Jeuno he wouldnt have been able to send the GM a /tell because he would have been put back on the list.
#62 Aug 02 2005 at 5:30 AM Rating: Default
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Reason i think it to be fake is beacause there is no source, this post was made from another post on gamefaqs and the OP there did not even say where it was from or who. There is no source, no backstory, no nothing its just there. Apart from all that its just a little too far fetched to be true.

People need to stop examing the image unless you actually know what your looking for, jpegs have heavy pixelation around contrasting and angled surfaces if the compression is heavy.
#63 Aug 02 2005 at 5:33 AM Rating: Good
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Ok i dont know how nobody has noticed this yet but the easiest way to tell its a fake is his /tell to the GM after he gets back to Jeuno.

You cant sent a /tell to a GM cause they have everyone /blisted and when they want to talk to you they take you off. When there finished talking to you they put you back on.

So after he got back to Jeuno he wouldnt have been able to send the GM a /tell because he would have been put back on the list.
Could've easily not "put him back on" yet.
#64 Aug 02 2005 at 5:35 AM Rating: Good
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also Kegaro has gone back and withdrawen his statements about pixelation.
Huh? I did?
#65 Aug 02 2005 at 5:36 AM Rating: Good
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KegeroOfValefor wrote:
Ghod wrote:

[quote=Ghod]1. We see no ====Mordion Gaol==== or any such marker in the beginning of the connversation. So either no warp occured and the OP is lying, or, that entry flag was scrolled out of the max range for the log.
Yeah, the first thing in the chat log was a "?" and a GM call. There was definitely stuff after and before that we're not seeing.


Yeah... that's the first thing I noticed. there's some awfully big gaps in there, especially between screen 2 and 3.

I admit, as I'm on a PS2 my chat roll-back history doesn't go back to far, but it sure seems that there's too much not here to at least put some doubt on the original claim of GM robbery.
#66 Aug 02 2005 at 5:37 AM Rating: Good
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Quoted from the Rules of Conduct
- Engaging in fraudulent acts within the game:
Fraudulent acts, such as dellberately breaking a promise, deceiving other players, or concluding an exchange unfairly, can destroy trust between players and inhibit the healthy growth of the in-game community. Such acts are, therefore, strictly prohibited. Players found to be engaging in such acts will be penalized in accordance with the PlayOnline Member Agreement. In addition, all records of those players in question will be thoroughly reviewed, and all items and gil obtained through such acts will be confiscated.


What if the guy was trading with someone else, maybe for a emp hairpin. And they agree in /tell and all that good stuff, for evidence. Then the guy in the pictures traded him something that looked like the emp hairpin but really wasent?

Then the guy that got scammed could have reported it, and from the new "rules" added, it looks like the scammer broke a couple. So the guy that got his *** scammed got his gil back while the scammer got theres taken away.

And come on why didnt the guy in the pictures ever ask for the item back? I'm going to read it again, to make sure I'll edit this if I'm wrong.
#67 Aug 02 2005 at 5:38 AM Rating: Decent
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Thanks for showing me that, but what about the background around the wording? That's the main point I'm getting at.
That is a side effect of many forms of image compression. What a lot of compression meathods try to do is save space by taking advantage of large areas of single colors or simple shapes -- the background of the chatbox makes a good candidate. However, when more complex or unpredictable shapes are encountered, things have to change. To make an attempt at an analogy, imagine coloring in a large picture from a coloring book. It's easy to color in the middle of the sky; all you have to do is turn the blue crayon on its side and sweep it back and forth a few times. But then when you get near the scenery underneath, it gets a little more complicated. You have to color it in differently and put more effort into it, thus causing it to probably not look as uniform as the part you were coloring before. (After typing this I just realized that it could be read as a subtle jab, implying that the reader has the mentality of a child with crayons. I didn't mean that; this was honestly the closest analogy I could come up with. =p)
#68 Aug 02 2005 at 5:41 AM Rating: Decent
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This baffles me, how do you enforce something like breaking a promise? Its like the grade school playyard again.


They look at the logs like if someone says "yea let me get it it's on my mule" and they never come back, you call a GM, give the name that said that and the GM looks up what other chars they have an contacts them. However, that's why you trade stuff, not give and wait for them to give back.

Now, for the player in question, it seems a bit iffy. If real, we're lacking serious information. I mean, hello, ask for the item you sold back?! That soudns just painfully stupid and obvious to not ask for. Say to the GM "may I get the item I traded back?, it's called blank axe, you can look at logs to see we discussed trading it". That's why this smells fishy.
#69 Aug 02 2005 at 5:50 AM Rating: Good
I believe this is a fake, I saved the 3 images and opened them in Photoshop.

I am not saying it's fake because of the pixelization around the characters, that could be because he does not know how to compress a JPG...

a: Why would he be compressing 3 shots period, let alone enough to pixelize it like that?

b: Look at the image GMsteal2.jpg
You will notice the top lines are slightly different to the rest, slightly blurred with a red tinge to it. Zoom right in, you will see the ">>" from tells behind the white text. Also there appears to be some auto-translation <<word>>'s behind the text.

I think its doctored myself.
#70 Aug 02 2005 at 5:53 AM Rating: Decent
There is literally only two options for this:

1. This is fake, because GMs can not track down characters this way, and just confiscate the gil from hear say.

They never gave any *Proof* of an "Item" that was traded.

2. The GM is "Bad" and should be fired because he is doing this for personal gain such as another character.

Either way, what is this "Manner he obtained it"? If he scammed someone for the gil why would he go for the third party?

The only way this could possibly be true is if the scammer and the one the money was taken from was the same person on the same account. They also would have had to have made a mistake. Such as "Scamming" in /say mode which any half witted Scammer knows not to do.

~Blix
#71 Aug 02 2005 at 5:55 AM Rating: Default
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Am I the only one that notices the sentances being cut in half?

On the first photo it's the "Funds will now go..." line.
On the second photo it's the "He's not my friend" line.
One the Third photo it's the "I'm calling a Senoir GM" line.

The very last tell does not include the [GM] before the name. Every time that I've talked to a GM in tell, it's included [GM] before the GM's name. More proof that it's a fake.

Couple these with the fact that there are artifacts when the photo is blown up and you got yourself a big ol' hoax.

I think two players, Jiraya and Jhanaka, had this Fake GM convo and then later photoshoped the conversation to include [GM] before the Say messages. I don't know Why they'd miss the /tell at the end.
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#72 Aug 02 2005 at 6:00 AM Rating: Decent
When you send a /tell to a GM the [GM] thing isn't there. Only when you recieve from them it is.

Also the "Funds will now go..." line is just where the [GM] runs out of space to right, it happens to them lot when I talk to them.

~Blix



Edited, Tue Aug 2 07:12:21 2005 by BlixofFenrir
#73 Aug 02 2005 at 6:01 AM Rating: Good
TirithRR wrote:
Am I the only one that notices the sentances being cut in half?

On the first photo it's the "Funds will now go..." line.
On the second photo it's the "He's not my friend" line.
One the Third photo it's the "I'm calling a Senoir GM" line.

The very last tell does not include the [GM] before the name. Every time that I've talked to a GM in tell, it's included [GM] before the GM's name. More proof that it's a fake.

Couple these with the fact that there are artifacts when the photo is blown up and you got yourself a big ol' hoax.

I think two players, Jiraya and Jhanaka, had this Fake GM convo and then later photoshoped the conversation to include [GM] before the Say messages. I don't know Why they'd miss the /tell at the end.
Actually, I've had many /tell conversations with GMs. The only time it shows the "[GM]" before their name is when they're sending a /tell to you. If you send one to them, it won't include the "[GM]"

Edit: Damn, Blix beat me to it. ><

Edited, Tue Aug 2 07:10:24 2005 by KegeroOfValefor
#74 Aug 02 2005 at 6:04 AM Rating: Decent
Holy **** balls.....that is insane.

For the record, I have been in the jail. 1) We conversed in say mode. 2) His spelling, grammar, punctuation, etc was like that of a 3 year old (for the record mine is of a 6 year old). I thought it was a joke at first. 3) He was very rude. He was straight to the point, no BS, no filler. This is how it is, if you don't agree with it....deal with it anyway. That was the impression I got.

Truth is, SE better look into this very quick. If this is real they better change something right now. Not next month, not next week, right now.

If it is fake.....bravo, you fooled a lot of people you scheming *******.
#75 Aug 02 2005 at 6:06 AM Rating: Default
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Also the "Funds will now go..." line is just where the [GM} runs out of space to right, it happens to me them lot when I talk to them.



No, no no... I mean the bottoms of all the letters are cut off. Not the ends of the lines, the bottoms of the lines, like someone failed at grabbing all the text in a copy/paste.

And... ok, I guess since two people have confirmed this /tell thing, I'll give ya that... but I think the other two things dealing with the authenticity of the photos point very clearly to Photoshop.
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#76 Aug 02 2005 at 6:07 AM Rating: Decent
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When a GM sends YOU a tell, it will show up as [GM]Whatever>>. When you send a tell to a GM, it will show up as >>GMNamehere.

Edit: Damn you people are quick.

Edited, Tue Aug 2 07:13:32 2005 by Obakeken
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