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#1 Aug 02 2005 at 2:19 AM Rating: Decent
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Quit bumping this post, damn necrophiliacs...

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Is this for real? I've never even seen a GM in my FFXI game so far and all the screenshots I've seen of GMs speaking to players have all been in /tell mode. This was done in /say mode and on the 3rd picture you can see another player in the bottom right corner (Subbaru) or something. So I assume this occurred where other players were aound who could hear and verify this conversation as it all happened in /say mode.

If this is true then it stinks to high heaven. But the scammed player never actually stated what item was traded for that Gil. Don't know if that is significant or not.... but if it was me I'd be telling the GM what it was I sold to the guy. I wouldn't just say "an item". I cannot believe a GM would take Gil from a player who didn nothing wrong. Unless that GM is corrupt of course and working in partnership with other players to scam for Gil/items.

Edit: I just realised that the player in the corner could be an NPC. If it is the green colour is not very clear.

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Fraps were taken after he got HPed.

Another example of when you agreed to ToS they can do whatever they wish.

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wow, that's crazy
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1. he was brought into GM JAIL
2. the pictures show conversation in say cuz only he and the gm were there
3. after being released to HP he took screenshots.
thats fukced up...
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So the lesson here is of coure to NEVER trade with anyone ever again.

This has to be the dumbest thing I've ever seen a GM do, and I've seen some dumb things from GMs. There is just zero logic involved at all on teh side of the GM here ><. So very frustrating, and I don't even know the guy it happened to.
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I am rather confused.I've seen plenty of threads on Cait Sith's boards about stolen accounts and gil. In every case I've seen GMs can't do anything about it. Further more why is the GM getting the gil from him and not the person who stole it in the first place?

Another reason I don't understand this is that if GMs can take gil away from you because someone bought something from you with that stolen gil, then can't they take the item from that person and return it back to you? If they can track the gil to this guy then they can track the item to hte original thief.

Something doesn't smell right, I think theres more to this than stated.

The reason its in /say is that the player was transported to "jail" so the GM could talk to him.


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Really, >_> We need some better GM's if this is true.
Why would you not talk to the person that STOLE the money >_> And since when do GM Care if anything is stolen/scammed <_<;;;
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Rated down for not giving my opinion? Well, obviously I think it's bullshi[b][/b]t. The GM was way out of line, and that player should try to contact the GM's supervisor.

Like I said, this is not me, my character, my server or anything. I just saw this in a thread on another forum and wanted to share it.
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Has anyone tried reporting this to squareenix? If they see it they may do something about the GM. That's some pretty good proof right there.. could get the GM fired or punished atleast. That way it doesn't happen again.
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On first glance, it does appear to be pretty messed up. However, we don't know jack about the player this happened to. Perhaps they were aware of the other guy's doing wrong, or perhaps they are the other guy on another machine. Even if it really is as it appears (the player shown is being victimised), is it that far off from what would happen IRL when being caught receiveing stolen goods or cash in a transaction?
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I don't believe it for a minute.

For one thing, there are misspellings and bad grammar all the way through the supposed GM text. No gaming company hires GMs who can't use proper grammar and spelling, just as no TV news network hires anchors who can't speak clear standard English.

For another, GMs cannot trace how gil was acquired; if they could, there would be no gilsellers or gilbuyers or scammers. Speaking of scammers, how many reports have you seen of someone who'd been scammed being told by a GM, "I'm sorry, there's nothing we can do to return your items or gil?" Why would the company have a policy of not taking items and/or gil from scammers and restoring them to their rightful owners then turn around and go against that policy in this individual instance?

Also, why would a GM shake players down for gil/items? It's not as though they need it for anything. What're they going to do, buy a Justice Sword +1 with it?

The person posting this is either attention-starved or is a scammer himself trying to get the mysterious "item" back from someone who'd bought it fair and square. The fact that the item is never given a name also strikes me as very strange.

I call BS.
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Trade was made, that person made their gil fair and square, either give the item back to the person in question, or leave them alone. The next thing you know if peeps are buying in the AH with stolen (or RL money traded) gil we'll be having the money taken off us for just selling our goods in the AH. Anyway the GM should see what item was traded if they knew where the gil went...surely...?

This is no way promotes teamwork and trust between players.

So the end result of this is...the person who stole prob got a slap on the wrist and the same telling off as the person who they brought the item from, but did they still keep the item? and the person who sold the item is definatly 1.9m down now.
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I have a question. two really, one trivial.

(question one gone as it cant be answered here)


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Does anyone know if you can contact a GM in real life, either via the phone or email? I bet things would get fixed if they had 50,000 angry calls every day

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Why would the company have a policy of not taking items and/or gil from scammers and restoring them to their rightful owners then turn around and go against that policy in this individual instance?


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This has to be fake or there was obvious colousion between the 2 people who profited from the stolen gil.

Possibly from a lower GM it would of been believeable but the fact that its a senior GM makes it less believable imo.
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Where in the new Rules of Conduct does it say that GMs will now restore items/gil to people who have lost it through scams? Where does it say that GMs now reserve the right to take gil/items that they feel were acquired in an illegitimate way?

I'd be interested to see what the new rules say that changes S-E's long standing policy of not returning lost/stolen/scammed things.

Even if there were a rule change that somehow permitted GMs to step into everyone's business and take gil, that wouldn't answer the other evidence that this is a hoax. One: bad grammar. Two: serves no purpose except to get everyone hopping mad at SE. Three: why was the "item" never given a name?

My strong suspicion is that the person who fabricated this wanted to get their 1.9 million gil item back without having to hand back the cash and saw this as a great way of doing it. Maybe that's even his/her scam--sell an item for 1.9 million, show these screenies, cry hard times to the buyer of the item, and repeat as needed.
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I'm wondering if the new ToS allows GMs to shake down people for stolen gil now as well. But that still leaves the question of why did the GM go to an innocent player? Was the item purchased via AH, bazzar, or trade? Imagine what it would be like with gil getting yanked from multi million gil purchases like Nobles tunic @_@

Also I'd like to point out that the "Customer" was also never named.

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If this is real it sucks so much ass.

It would mean that any time you sell something and get money off another player you could end up losing the money for the item through no fault of your own.

But then, looking more closely at what was said it doesn't sound as if the person sold the item on ah or bazaar but traded it directly with someone.

The GM kept referring to the evildoer as the other guy's friend, which the guy denied, saying 'he's not my friend'. I wonder if the GM had evidence of the 2 being friends from lots of tells or ls or something, or if he was just assuming it because it was a trade sale rather than ah or bazaar.

Also as someone said, the guy referring to what he sold as 'some item' or whatever rather than naming it is a bit suspicious.

I wonder why, if the GM has the authority to take back the gil from a third party, he can't give back the item that the third party sold for 1.9 mil.

I can see how they'd want to stop people scamming someone for millions of gil then trading it to one of their friends, then evildoer gets banned, creates a new accont, gets gil back from friend, but how could they prove it?

So, I'm saying, on the face of it this is an absolute outrage, but we don't know the full facts of it at all and there are suspicious points that suggest all is not what it at first appears...



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For one thing, there are misspellings and bad grammar all the way through the supposed GM text. No gaming company hires GMs who can't use proper grammar and spelling, just as no TV news network hires anchors who can't speak clear standard English.


Well... I suppose you haven't spoken with many GMs. I won't say one way or another on this... it could be real, it could be fake; I don't know.

My point is... don't look at sentence structure, spelling, and grammar for proof. I've had some outrageous mistakes, or whatever you want to call them, in my GM calls. I naturally assumed that a couple of them didn't natively speak english because of the grammar that was used.

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Well, if I'm reading the Rules of Conduct correctly, this is within their right to do so.

Quoted from the Rules of Conduct
- Engaging in fraudulent acts within the game:
Fraudulent acts, such as dellberately breaking a promise, deceiving other players, or concluding an exchange unfairly, can destroy trust between players and inhibit the healthy growth of the in-game community. Such acts are, therefore, strictly prohibited. Players found to be engaging in such acts will be penalized in accordance with the PlayOnline Member Agreement. In addition, all records of those players in question will be thoroughly reviewed, and all items and gil obtained through such acts will be confiscated.
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I don't get it. Why can't the person ask the GM to get back the item she traded to the person?

It would seem the person defrauded both the original owner of the 1.9, and the person taking the screenshot.

I don't understand why he/she is so fixated on this "GM stole from me thing"

I didn't read her asking the GM to get back the item she traded for the 1.9m.
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I don't buy it.

1. I have read countless times about how "All trades are final," and there's nothing they can do about it.

2. I have read countless times that stolen/scammed items cannot be returned to the player.

I'm not buying this one bit. Can someone with Photoshop or something zoom in really far to determine whether or not this is doctored? Post screenies, too, please.
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'The item' was probably confiscated right along with this player's 1.9 million gil. Perhaps the reason why the GM doesn't return it to the player is that now the player will take the issue up with 'the friend,' letting the community sort itself out. The player calls out the fraud on boards like these, ruining the reputation of 'the friend'--probably a much more effective punishement than the paltry suspension we've seen GMs give out.
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- Engaging in fraudulent acts within the game:
Fraudulent acts, such as dellberately breaking a promise, deceiving other players, or concluding an exchange unfairly, can destroy trust between players and inhibit the healthy growth of the in-game community. Such acts are, therefore, strictly prohibited. Players found to be engaging in such acts will be penalized in accordance with the PlayOnline Member Agreement. In addition, all records of those players in question will be thoroughly reviewed, and all items and gil obtained through such acts will be confiscated.

This baffles me, how do you enforce something like breaking a promise? Its like the grade school playyard again.
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This is a hard one, but I'm going to say I dont believe. My logic for this.


A GM wouldnt take gil away from a player, who had nothing to do with the scam. And then tell that player to get thier money from the scammer. My logic for this. Well its pretty clear, if the GM were taking away the money, they'd give back item. I dont see how they wouldnt, if they are already using the power to take away.

Theres no seriel number on gil, its just a made up number. Its not like selling someone car, and then selling it. Hell even then you could get your money back.
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I just saved the pic, and blew it up 500x, there are boxes around each sentence. I think it's fake.
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I can explain that one.

Say this was actually 1.9 million dollars. You sell something to someone, they give you the cash, you give them the item, and part ways.

Now immediately after doing so, someone swoops in, busts you for receipt of stolen goods (the cash) and says that it needs to be confiscated immediately. Are you thinking more of the person you just did business with, the item you sold, or the fact that you just had 1.9 million dollars yanked from you for a crime you could have very little knowledge of commiting.

I know I would first be concerned about getting the money back, as I had no logical way of knowing it was stolen. That is what we see here. As an afterthought, or part of the calming process, one might think to getting the trade item back instead.


As for my opinon on the whole sitch? It's a distinct possibility that J. Hanaka (Note the spacing) is actually a senior GM, working for S/E. Seeing as how he didn't detail exactly how or why the gil is stolen in nature, there might be some question as to whether or not the other party is also banned. One would certainly punish the thief much more harshly than the fence. If the other party isn't banned or punished, there is where the hole is in the story. If not, then the whole tale is BS. If the other person in the trade IS banned, then there are more questions to be asked to gain further credibility.

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Just a small something I noticed on one of the screenshots that I noticed the GM say:

[GM]Jhanaka : No, I am saying I am removing the stolen funds from your characters. The funds will then go to the customer who the money was stolen from.

Notice the GM say he is removing funds from the players CHARACTERS. This might not mean anything, or it could mean everything, we are not to say.

This could imply that the player had 2 or more of his characters involved in the fraud somehow. In what way is not clear. Otherwise it could simply mean the money he obtained was split between his characters. Or it could simply be a typo >.>

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#33 Aug 02 2005 at 4:00 AM Rating: Decent
omg i cant believe what i saw.
mmm that is diffinatly not very on the guy who traded the item for the money.
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Where in the new Rules of Conduct does it say that GMs will now restore items/gil to people who have lost it through scams? Where does it say that GMs now reserve the right to take gil/items that they feel were acquired in an illegitimate way?


The ToS was updated recently (there was even a post about it on the boards here). Here's a quote:

"Engaging in fradulent acts within the game... deliberately breaking a promise, deceiving other players, or conducting an exchange unfairly... such acts are, therefor, strictly prohibited."

If it's prohibited and in the ToS, they can take whatever action deemed necessary against it. SE owns the gil, they can do what they want with it, even if it's not fair.

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evidence that this is a hoax. One: bad grammar.


I've seen countless pics where GMs had many typos and grammar errors, this isn't really proof of anything other than they're human like you and me. Have you seen all the different pics of that (idiotic) GM Luminous and his whole Lil Jon/Dave Chappelle thing? Or a pic where a GM is asked "Do you know what a Moneyshot is?" and he replies "Yes, we the GMs are aware of the meaning of a Moneyshot". GMs aren't, or don't necessarily have to be, some telemarketer type reading from scripts in ever possible situation, and doing it with perfect spelling and grammar to boot.

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Umm... wouldn't you be mad if this happened to you? Of course that's the point of bringing this up in public. I really don't see how this is proof of it being fake.

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Three: why was the "item" never given a name?


I don't know, and it doesn't matter. Would it be hard for the scammer to say the name of an item worth 1.9-2mil? No, it wouldn't. It's just as easy as not saying what the item is. The item really doesn't matter here anyway, it's that a GM took gil from someone who shouldn't have been punished.

I'm not saying that this is 100% fact, but your points on why it would be fake are really weak :\
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I looked it up in Photoshop and compared it to one of my own screenshots.
I think it is a fake, if you look at this, you'll see that all around the text is all pixelated compared to my screenshot.
Allthough that might have to do with the resolution, I highly doubt that the difference is that much. (I had to blow up the picture, that is why the font seems "blurry".)
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Disregard, after reviewing some of my own screenshots, there is a note of blur to the background and text.

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Now that I've taken a closer look at this... excuse me for a moment while I call bulls*it.

1) Take a closer look at http://photobucket.com/albums/b185/Jirayaa/?action=view&current=GMsteal2jpg.jpg

Notice a couple things that aren't quite right. Like the step on the far right of the pictire. From the description of Moradin Gaul, there should be no steps or anything. And 2nd'ly, why is there another Taru in the same picture?

2) Kegaro's evidence of pixel artifacts in the image.

3) Complete and totally bad grammer used by the GM in question. This has the smell of BS all over it. I honestly don't think that SE would be idiotic enough to hire such a person for a customer service position where communication with others is of paramont importence.

(edited... of all things, for grammar. Don't try writing conspiricy-riddled posts at 5:30 am) ==;

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now that ive saved n tweaked the picture. its fake beyond any doubt. all the text is blurry, but thwere there is no text, its clean... just look closely at some of the areas. if im wrong, then WOW!!! orz

WAIT... now that ive seen other screenshots. it seems that all of em have blurry background behind the text... unless those were edited too.. umm im confused ><

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I dont know if this would be considered evidence but here's what I've come up with thus far. http://ttxstuff.homestead.com/files/fake.JPG
I've circled 2 areas. #1 as labeled, the big oval is an area of the text in question. Note that blurred/scrambled background in the worded areas and not around the letter "I" above it. #2 is an area between the worded areas in question. Note the smooth/clear background between the words. As someone else has shown, in a legit picture, the background in the worded areas would be clear, and not blurred as shown above. This will prove that this is clearly a shop.
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This is legit. This is what we call "money laundering". The person who traded the item and the person who recieved the gil are most likely conspiring together.
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Now that I've taken a closer look at this... excuse me for a moment while I call bulls*it.

1) Take a closer look at http://photobucket.com/albums/b18...eal2jpg.jpg

Notice a couple things that aren't quite right. Like the step on the far right of the pictire. From the description of Moradin Gaul, there should be no steps or anything. And 2nd'ly, why is there another Taru in the same picture?

2) Kegaro's evidence of pixel artifacts in the image.

3) Complete and totally bad grammer used by the GM in question. This has the smell of BS all over it. I honestly don't think that SE would be idiotic enough to hire such a person for a customer service position where communication with others is of paramont importence.

(edited... of all things, for grammar. Don't try writing conspiricy-riddled posts at 5:30 am) ==;


Not to burst your bubble or anything.. but the reason there's a taru there and the stairs is because he's back in Jeuno now. The screenshots were taken after he was sent back. Notice the scroll bar to the right? Plus it was stated they were taken after he was teleported back..
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I dont know if this would be considered evidence but here's what I've come up with thus far. http://ttxstuff.homestead.com/files/fake.JPG
I've circled 2 areas. #1 as labeled, the big oval is an area of the text in question. Note that blurred/scrambled background in the worded areas and not around the letter "I" above it. #2 is an area between the worded areas in question. Note the smooth/clear background between the words. As someone else has shown, in a legit picture, the background in the worded areas would be clear, and not blurred as shown above. This will prove that this is clearly a shop.


Very nicely done! Can we get something to compare it to though just to be sure? Use the same background and type up a convo in /say and run it through photoshop. If there's no pixelation and whatnot around the words as in the original pics, then this is clearly a fake.
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After reading Kouhaku's post, there is one minor detail that is missing...

Now the OP says that the screenshots were taken AFTER he was released from Mordion Gaol, correct? AND he was released in Prt Jeuno?

1. We see no ====Mordion Gaol==== or any such marker in the beginning of the connversation. So either no warp occured and the OP is lying, or, that entry flag was scrolled out of the max range for the log.

2. There is a faint trailing of the pink scroll indicator. This could be a result of the SS timing, or it could be a minor shadow left from altering the positioning of the cursor.

3. This is the one that is most obvious to me. That cursor isn't more than 1/3 of the way down. There is more conversation that wasn't displayed, as it goes from earliest to latest. There could be something that wasn't intended to be seen, that could wreck the light of innocence being set up by the conversation.

4. Also obvious, but coincidences being what they are... it takes time to make three screen shots. How quiet are any of the lower zones in Jeuno? In the time it took to arrive in Jeuno, send the tell, open the log, and scroll up to relevant conversation, not a single /sh manages to be recorded? I know Port Jeuno is not as busy with /sh, but come on....
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Here ya go, this screenshot was take just a couple days ago in jeuno. http://ttxstuff.homestead.com/files/legit.JPG Notice how the background is clear around everything and not pixelated or blurred around any of the wording.
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could it be that they way we take our screenshots make takes blurry? just a thought.. one might use archbell and someone else might use a jp windower, and the next person uses nothing... i have no idea how to tell what they used, but it still looks edited
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Though this is most likly a hoax let me point out:

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Now that I've taken a closer look at this... excuse me for a moment while I call bulls*it.

1) Take a closer look at http://photobucket.com/albums/b18...eal2jpg.jpg

Notice a couple things that aren't quite right. Like the step on the far right of the pictire. From the description of Moradin Gaul, there should be no steps or anything. And 2nd'ly, why is there another Taru in the same picture?


This guy wouldnt have taken the screenshots AS the conversation was in progress instead these would have been taken after he was homepointed to jueno. He would have opened his chat log - back tracked and printscreen'd =/.

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3) Complete and totally bad grammer used by the GM in question. This has the smell of BS all over it. I honestly don't think that SE would be idiotic enough to hire such a person for a customer service position where communication with others is of paramont importence.

You would be suuuurrrprised!

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Now thats not to say this isnt a COMPLETE and utter hoax or atleast that we're missing a LOT of the puzzle but what we have against it so far doesnt stand up.

And as for what the GM jail looks like, theres a video on that thread that shows exactly http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=112295395280642702&num=13

Edit: sorry confused Muninn's post with Kegaro's but the whole pixelization thing has been beaten to death. We've figured it was compression but none the less the GM's not like any GM any of us have EVER met. sounds good to me^^.

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Ok, a lot of you don't know what you're talking about. I'm sorry, but you don't. Mainly Lylia. First of all, GMs often have horrible grammar, spelling, and sentence structure. If you don't believe me, call a few of them up and have a chat. Some type well, while others simply butcher the language. The GM's craptastic typing patterns in those screenshots are no indication of them being fake.

Secondly, it never ceases to amaze me how many people can't recognize JPEG compression when they see it. They see blurry box shapes around the words and suddenly, being the masters of digital media that they are, declare that the pictures are obviously fakes. Ok, take a screenshot of yours with an expanded chatbox full of text. Open it with an image editor. Save it as a not-so-great quality JPEG (if you used MS Paint, you won't be able to select a quality level, but it will default to a *very* low setting anyway). Now look at the letters. Wow, suddenly your own screenshot must be a fake!

Thirdly, SE *did* recently change their User Agreement so that fraudulent in-game transactions will be punished and reversed. Yes, it's stupid. Yes, it's demeaning to us as players. And yes, it gets the GMs involved in issues they shouldn't involve themselves with. However, it's there in the User Agreement now, whether we like it or not.

THIS IS NOT TO SAY that I necessarily believe those screenshots are real. I'm just saying that a lot of the "evidence" people are bringing up that supposedly invalidates this person's story isn't anywhere close to being valid evidence at all. The thing that makes *me* skeptical is simply that I find it very hard to believe that a GM would try to reverse the supposedly fraudulent transaction in such a way -- by punishing not the person who stole the gil in the first place, but the person who happened to receive it in a trade. That just makes no sense, unless there's a large part of the story that we weren't informed of (which could very likely be the case).

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4. Also obvious, but coincidences being what they are... it takes time to make three screen shots. How quiet are any of the lower zones in Jeuno? In the time it took to arrive in Jeuno, send the tell, open the log, and scroll up to relevant conversation, not a single /sh manages to be recorded? I know Port Jeuno is not as busy with /sh, but come on....


Umm how would a shout be seen in there if he's scrolling up into the chat log to take a shot of it? The shouts would be on the bottom, which he never reaches..

Also, the artifacting could be from the fact it's jpg. Or it was taking with something set to a low compression, like fraps.
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CAustin wrote:

Secondly, it never ceases to amaze me how many people can't recognize JPEG compression when they see it. They see blurry box shapes around the words and suddenly, being the masters of digital media that they are, decare that the pictures are obviously fakes. Ok, take a screenshot of yours with an expanded chatbox full of text. Open it with an image editor. Save it as a not-so-great quality JPEG (if you used MS Paint, you won't be able to select a quality level, but it will default to a *very* low setting anyway). Now look at the letters. Wow, suddenly your own screenshot must be a fake!



Edited, Tue Aug 2 05:59:30 2005 by CAustin


If I may state that I am not a photoshop pro or even very good, I fool with it from time to time yes and know a few things including JPEG compression. I resized and edited both pictures in the exact same way save for the added red paint in the "fake.jpg" picture. I believe that the "fake" is a fake mainly because of the way that I setup both pictures the same way and they clearly show different results meaning he most likely had to alter his submitted pictures in some way.

Edit: 5 am kills grammar -_-

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Assuming this is real...

It would be like someone walking into a pawn shop and buying something expensive...then later the police come and take the money from the pawn broker for having sold his item to someone who go their money from stealing a purse
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Edited, Tue Aug 2 06:16:47 2005 by CAustin
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