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#1 Aug 02 2005 at 2:19 AM Rating: Decent
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Quit bumping this post, **** necrophiliacs...

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#2 Aug 02 2005 at 2:32 AM Rating: Decent
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Is this for real? I've never even seen a GM in my FFXI game so far and all the screenshots I've seen of GMs speaking to players have all been in /tell mode. This was done in /say mode and on the 3rd picture you can see another player in the bottom right corner (Subbaru) or something. So I assume this occurred where other players were aound who could hear and verify this conversation as it all happened in /say mode.

If this is true then it stinks to high heaven. But the scammed player never actually stated what item was traded for that Gil. Don't know if that is significant or not.... but if it was me I'd be telling the GM what it was I sold to the guy. I wouldn't just say "an item". I cannot believe a GM would take Gil from a player who didn nothing wrong. Unless that GM is corrupt of course and working in partnership with other players to scam for Gil/items.

Edit: I just realised that the player in the corner could be an NPC. If it is the green colour is not very clear.

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#3 Aug 02 2005 at 2:37 AM Rating: Decent
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Fraps were taken after he got HPed.

Another example of when you agreed to ToS they can do whatever they wish.

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wow, that's crazy
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1. he was brought into GM JAIL
2. the pictures show conversation in say cuz only he and the gm were there
3. after being released to HP he took screenshots.
thats ****** up...
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That GM better be fired, and a public apology issued.

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#7 Aug 02 2005 at 2:44 AM Rating: Decent
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So the lesson here is of coure to NEVER trade with anyone ever again.

This has to be the dumbest thing I've ever seen a GM do, and I've seen some dumb things from GMs. There is just zero logic involved at all on teh side of the GM here ><. So very frustrating, and I don't even know the guy it happened to.
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#8 Aug 02 2005 at 2:45 AM Rating: Good
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I am rather confused.I've seen plenty of threads on Cait Sith's boards about stolen accounts and gil. In every case I've seen GMs can't do anything about it. Further more why is the GM getting the gil from him and not the person who stole it in the first place?

Another reason I don't understand this is that if GMs can take gil away from you because someone bought something from you with that stolen gil, then can't they take the item from that person and return it back to you? If they can track the gil to this guy then they can track the item to hte original thief.

Something doesn't smell right, I think theres more to this than stated.

The reason its in /say is that the player was transported to "jail" so the GM could talk to him.


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Really, >_> We need some better GM's if this is true.
Why would you not talk to the person that STOLE the money >_> And since when do GM Care if anything is stolen/scammed <_<;;;
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#10 Aug 02 2005 at 2:49 AM Rating: Decent
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Rated down for not giving my opinion? Well, obviously I think it's bullshi[b][/b]t. The GM was way out of line, and that player should try to contact the GM's supervisor.

Like I said, this is not me, my character, my server or anything. I just saw this in a thread on another forum and wanted to share it.
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Has anyone tried reporting this to squareenix? If they see it they may do something about the GM. That's some pretty good proof right there.. could get the GM fired or punished atleast. That way it doesn't happen again.
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On first glance, it does appear to be pretty messed up. However, we don't know jack about the player this happened to. Perhaps they were aware of the other guy's doing wrong, or perhaps they are the other guy on another machine. Even if it really is as it appears (the player shown is being victimised), is it that far off from what would happen IRL when being caught receiveing stolen goods or cash in a transaction?
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I don't believe it for a minute.

For one thing, there are misspellings and bad grammar all the way through the supposed GM text. No gaming company hires GMs who can't use proper grammar and spelling, just as no TV news network hires anchors who can't speak clear standard English.

For another, GMs cannot trace how gil was acquired; if they could, there would be no gilsellers or gilbuyers or scammers. Speaking of scammers, how many reports have you seen of someone who'd been scammed being told by a GM, "I'm sorry, there's nothing we can do to return your items or gil?" Why would the company have a policy of not taking items and/or gil from scammers and restoring them to their rightful owners then turn around and go against that policy in this individual instance?

Also, why would a GM shake players down for gil/items? It's not as though they need it for anything. What're they going to do, buy a Justice Sword +1 with it?

The person posting this is either attention-starved or is a scammer himself trying to get the mysterious "item" back from someone who'd bought it fair and square. The fact that the item is never given a name also strikes me as very strange.

I call BS.
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Trade was made, that person made their gil fair and square, either give the item back to the person in question, or leave them alone. The next thing you know if peeps are buying in the AH with stolen (or RL money traded) gil we'll be having the money taken off us for just selling our goods in the AH. Anyway the GM should see what item was traded if they knew where the gil went...surely...?

This is no way promotes teamwork and trust between players.

So the end result of this is...the person who stole prob got a slap on the wrist and the same telling off as the person who they brought the item from, but did they still keep the item? and the person who sold the item is definatly 1.9m down now.
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I have a question. two really, one trivial.

(question one gone as it cant be answered here)


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Does anyone know if you can contact a GM in real life, either via the phone or email? I bet things would get fixed if they had 50,000 angry calls every day

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#17 Aug 02 2005 at 2:58 AM Rating: Decent
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Why would the company have a policy of not taking items and/or gil from scammers and restoring them to their rightful owners then turn around and go against that policy in this individual instance?


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This has to be fake or there was obvious colousion between the 2 people who profited from the stolen gil.

Possibly from a lower GM it would of been believeable but the fact that its a senior GM makes it less believable imo.
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Where in the new Rules of Conduct does it say that GMs will now restore items/gil to people who have lost it through scams? Where does it say that GMs now reserve the right to take gil/items that they feel were acquired in an illegitimate way?

I'd be interested to see what the new rules say that changes S-E's long standing policy of not returning lost/stolen/scammed things.

Even if there were a rule change that somehow permitted GMs to step into everyone's business and take gil, that wouldn't answer the other evidence that this is a hoax. One: bad grammar. Two: serves no purpose except to get everyone hopping mad at SE. Three: why was the "item" never given a name?

My strong suspicion is that the person who fabricated this wanted to get their 1.9 million gil item back without having to hand back the cash and saw this as a great way of doing it. Maybe that's even his/her scam--sell an item for 1.9 million, show these screenies, cry hard times to the buyer of the item, and repeat as needed.
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I'm wondering if the new ToS allows GMs to shake down people for stolen gil now as well. But that still leaves the question of why did the GM go to an innocent player? Was the item purchased via AH, bazzar, or trade? Imagine what it would be like with gil getting yanked from multi million gil purchases like Nobles tunic @_@

Also I'd like to point out that the "Customer" was also never named.

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If this is real it sucks so much ***.

It would mean that any time you sell something and get money off another player you could end up losing the money for the item through no fault of your own.

But then, looking more closely at what was said it doesn't sound as if the person sold the item on ah or bazaar but traded it directly with someone.

The GM kept referring to the evildoer as the other guy's friend, which the guy denied, saying 'he's not my friend'. I wonder if the GM had evidence of the 2 being friends from lots of tells or ls or something, or if he was just assuming it because it was a trade sale rather than ah or bazaar.

Also as someone said, the guy referring to what he sold as 'some item' or whatever rather than naming it is a bit suspicious.

I wonder why, if the GM has the authority to take back the gil from a third party, he can't give back the item that the third party sold for 1.9 mil.

I can see how they'd want to stop people scamming someone for millions of gil then trading it to one of their friends, then evildoer gets banned, creates a new accont, gets gil back from friend, but how could they prove it?

So, I'm saying, on the face of it this is an absolute outrage, but we don't know the full facts of it at all and there are suspicious points that suggest all is not what it at first appears...



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For one thing, there are misspellings and bad grammar all the way through the supposed GM text. No gaming company hires GMs who can't use proper grammar and spelling, just as no TV news network hires anchors who can't speak clear standard English.


Well... I suppose you haven't spoken with many GMs. I won't say one way or another on this... it could be real, it could be fake; I don't know.

My point is... don't look at sentence structure, spelling, and grammar for proof. I've had some outrageous mistakes, or whatever you want to call them, in my GM calls. I naturally assumed that a couple of them didn't natively speak english because of the grammar that was used.

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Well, if I'm reading the Rules of Conduct correctly, this is within their right to do so.

Quoted from the Rules of Conduct
- Engaging in fraudulent acts within the game:
Fraudulent acts, such as dellberately breaking a promise, deceiving other players, or concluding an exchange unfairly, can destroy trust between players and inhibit the healthy growth of the in-game community. Such acts are, therefore, strictly prohibited. Players found to be engaging in such acts will be penalized in accordance with the PlayOnline Member Agreement. In addition, all records of those players in question will be thoroughly reviewed, and all items and gil obtained through such acts will be confiscated.
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I don't get it. Why can't the person ask the GM to get back the item she traded to the person?

It would seem the person defrauded both the original owner of the 1.9, and the person taking the screenshot.

I don't understand why he/she is so fixated on this "GM stole from me thing"

I didn't read her asking the GM to get back the item she traded for the 1.9m.
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#25 Aug 02 2005 at 3:36 AM Rating: Good
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I don't buy it.

1. I have read countless times about how "All trades are final," and there's nothing they can do about it.

2. I have read countless times that stolen/scammed items cannot be returned to the player.

I'm not buying this one bit. Can someone with Photoshop or something zoom in really far to determine whether or not this is doctored? Post screenies, too, please.
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'The item' was probably confiscated right along with this player's 1.9 million gil. Perhaps the reason why the GM doesn't return it to the player is that now the player will take the issue up with 'the friend,' letting the community sort itself out. The player calls out the fraud on boards like these, ruining the reputation of 'the friend'--probably a much more effective punishement than the paltry suspension we've seen GMs give out.
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