RNG's in HNMLSFollow

Those first 4 Osodes were never based on points the leader even said so:


Furthermore Its nice that they have all those points todate but what were their points when the Osodes dropped? Some dropped in June some dropped in July so the has to be a variance of points between those months.
The fact still is it was never based on points for those 4 people. If the had zero points you would have still given them the Osodes this was clearly stated by you the first time we killed Kirin. Not only that but Im pretty sure you have it posted in your web jurnal as well. This was stated before the drops even happened. If its point based, then how did you know everyones future points?

The fact that they kept participating even though they didnt need to seems like it would make them even more likely candidates to receive an osode.. If one payed X% and the next paid Y% when he knew he could get it for no points at all then it seems like hes not there because hes greedy and trying to better himself but the ls as a whole.

OK this is the last post from me. I didn't expect it to go this far. More or less what my concern was favoritism and the points rule.
If the rules are items are given by seniority, fine.
If the rules are based on points, fine.
If the rules are based on jobs that can wear the item fine.
Or any combination of those, fine.

But the rules shouldn't have been changed after your first 4 chosen RNGs got the drops. It makes it unfair for all the other thinking that there is set rules for drops when there isn't.
Everyone knew that those 4 would get the Osodes first because that is what you said. Then based on your original LS rules GOD items go to people who 1:Have JOB priority 2:Can wear the item.
And recently you stated 3:GOD items you need a minimum of 20pts or for Kirin item 50pts. Since more then one person fit that description you picked 4 people to get the drops because they deserved them
Finally after 2 months all 4 people you picked received the Osodes.
You then decided to change the rules to most points and whoever can wear it gets the item.
But even with that rule you still don't keep that the case foreverything-
IE:BLM>RDM>WHM>SMN for Zmitts. RNG>ALL for SeiryuKote. MOST JOBs>RDM for CrimsomGear. WHM ONLY for Shinning Cloth.
Just keep the rules the same you can't keep changing them. There can't be exceptions to the rules.(these 4 are the backbone of the LSthey get the first Osodes) Pick What rules you want and stick with them. Make it an all point based LS or Make it JOB based. Just stick to what you chose.
I have no animosity to you or any one in that LS.
I think for the most part you have wonderful members.
I think if you can stick to a specific set of rules and everyone understands them then everything will be just fine.

Edit:
Since you left out the other top points I figured I would post them. These are the top points and who recieced it and who did not.
100pts-yes4th,osode
92.5pts-no
88pts-yes1st,osode
83.5pts-no
82pts-yes2nd,osode
81.5pts-no
80.5pts-yes3rd,osode
Now if this was based on points shouldn't the others been able to lot?

Edited, Sat Jul 9 09:17:55 2005 by ShiroWolf

Shiro, the rules never changed. Ony difference is he said it was the order according to points, it remained that way when osodes were given out. he can go ahead and say it and continue out

OMFG this is my one and only post about all this **** the reason why the 4 rng got the osode first is they are ls leadership and they where there from the beginning and they did lose points there are many jobs that can use but rng see to think they automaticly have pressedence over everyone but i say **** that everyone has chance to lot it they have the points now that the leaders have their osode and the reason they get first again is because THEY ARE LEADERSHIP IN THIS LS!!!

now as far as rng being the ones that most important and die the most im offended being the 75 pld that cant use osode and die because the rng shadowbind cant stick or doesent come fast enough for me to get away from seiryu 100 fist or suzaku chainspell and i die the most or other pld die the most so as far as being most important a rng is easily replaceable by a 75 blm. well thats all i have to say but dont get me wrrong i love rng i also am lvling my rng to help out our leader is doing a great job and only greedy ******* make a stink like this as far as shiro goes i dont know why he is making a stink it wasnt him that was next im line to get osode it was the selfish rng arguing about it saying that it wasnt fair that he should get chance to lot with a leader when it was know that the leader would get it first oh well bye bye

I am also in this LS and feel that what's being said is highly inaccurate. The "4 main rangers" are all founding members that have been in the shell since day 1. They are in sky helping the shell do the boring pop item runs (ya know, the dull-as-dirt ones that you used to complain about having to show up to Shiro b/c it "takes so much time") night after night after night. They have put on hold their leveling, missions, quests, etc for the good of the linkshell so that we can do gods whenever we damn well please .. and they have the sky points to prove it. They are the "4 main rangers" because they are the reliable ones who show up to work every day - and yes folks I mean EVERY day, not just to come fight gods and ***** over drops. And they deserved their osodes before anyone else in the shell for those reasons ... and just like everyone else in the shell - some of whom have done FAR less work and been members for a much shorter period of time, they had their points reset once they got it.

Call them "favorites" if you will ... damn straight, they are *my* favorites as a member of this shell b/c those four people are four of our most reliable and hardworking members. Just look at the point list ... except for 3 other ppl (and I'm one of them so I can say this XD), they had more points than ANYONE else in the shell, RNG or no RNG. I know that when I show up in sky on any given night, they're gonna be there - and they're probably gonna show up early and stay late.

**sidenote ** I'm a RDM ... there's not much in sky that's designed for me. But I show up every day, I do my thing, I have a lot of fun and I make some money. Hopdevil is an excellent leader with a great head on his shoulders and I respect him. So do the vast majority of our members, which is why our shell is getting stronger.

You come here, try swearing and down talking your member. Personally, he should leave you guys, he's a smn75, that's just as important. You ARE treating ppl unfair by having this little exception.


They earned their own points, you played favorites and made an unfair descission. No one should get to be played favorite. It should have been equal in the firt place.

Just because the RNGs are ls leaders, doesnt mean they should get items first, it should be fair. That's corupt leadership.

Edited, Fri Jul 8 04:33:10 2005 by FFXINETBoshi

Not any item, just certain items, like osode ^^

I'm in this hnmls as well. I know the rules for the points and shiro you are miss understanding or missed some info cause I was one of the first RNGs to get one. The 2 of us that got them on the second Kirin run did have the most points out of all the rngs and everybody esle that could equip them that night and so was the case on the last run.

It just seems that you really didnt want to be in the hnmls to be honest. My resoning in thinking this is that you would of talked about it in a resonable way instead of throwing a 5 year olds temper tantrum. I'm sorry that you feel that your Boy Friend or Husband got the shaft when in all accuality you gave it to him by doing what you did. Its not like that was going to be our last Kirin/Gaurdian run. If you felt that the system wasnt fair then you should have discussed it out instead of arguing about it.

I am in that ls. The reason why those 4 RNGs get osode first is because they were the leading RNGs who help bulit the ls. I have been in the ls from the start, as an RDM I didn't get anything in sky so far, because we agree to let the jobs who NEED the items to have it first. Zenith items are nice, but BLM and WHM need them more. I want crimison items too, but I don't NEED it that much. RNGs need it. So big deal, they can have it first, and I don't mind waiting. Worthlessone got crimison items last time, and I was there, but since he is RNG, so he is getting it first. I don't even have any problem with it. Those 4 main RNGs in our ls have been in almost all the sky runs, helped farm and stuff. They deserve what they wanted. You and worthless one wasn't even there when they were already working hard in sky. I joined my ls for fun, I don't even care about drops at all. If some other ppl really want it, they can have it first, big deal. But Worthlessone is just one greedy SOB, you guys were still new to the ls, and Worthlessone already got a few crimison items, and now you guys are whining about osode. THIS NOT A LS YOU JUST COME IN AND GET WHAT YOU WANT RIGHT AWAY ! I don't think there are any ls like that. Our point system is very fair, the person who put more effort to the ls get stuff first. You don't come in and get stuff right away, if you want a ls like that, you can join the RMT ls, pay them and get your ****.

We have been doing very well in all our sky runs, and it's not like we are not going to kill kirin again. If you had the patient to wait like a week or 2, you can prolly get your chance to lot on osode. You guys are just showing your true greedy face, and made a bad name for yourself. The 4 main RNGs in our ls have been working hard long ago before you guys were even there, if you join the ls and get osode before them, HOW FAIR CAN THAT BE ? We have very clear rule in our ls, if you think we are some ppl you can use to get what you want, you shouldn't be in our ls at the first place.

Btw, for the ppl who are not in our ls, you guys don't even know the truth. I don't see why it is wrong we have our favorite RNGs. Think about it, if you work hard for a month, then this new guy came in and took what it was suppose to be yours. What would you think ? We are trying to avoid such things. HNM ls is never bad, the bad part is we have greedy ppl like them playing this game.

Edited, Fri Jul 8 09:01:38 2005 by Rosiel

Edited, Fri Jul 8 09:07:20 2005 by Rosiel

I don't think I said "F Off and leave", but I sure wish I did at this point. If you have a screenshot I'd like to have it to post on the LS Board. Let it die, you're gone from LS and I paid you and worthless your gil so we're straight.

{Take Care.}{Good Bye}

These aren't your rules anymore, so don't sweat it. Dismissed

hoppy, i'll let you play with my pigatails for an osode. deal? >.>

this sounds a lot like what happened in Portrait. right before debutis broke it. hmmm, this might happen here too.