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#1 Sep 24 2004 at 3:58 PM Rating: Excellent
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Welcome to the Promyvion Consolidation Thread!

It scares the **** out of me how old this post is. >.>


Started: September 24th, 2004
Rewrite: December 13th, 2004
Last edit: 05/11/2006 - Went through and took out the LG tags, as AK recently broke them.


For those of you that have not seen this post before, I bid you welcome. For those battle-scarred veterans of Promyvion who helped contribute data, I bid you thanks.


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How do I get to Promyvion?

Short form of the Emptiness access quests:

0) You must have Chains of Promathia purchased and installed. Remember to register the Content ID.

1) Visit Lower Delkfutt's Tower. Cutscene as you zone in.
2) Visit Upper Jeuno. Cutscene as you zone in.
3) Go to the Upper Jeuno infirmary (on the map), talk to Monberauxe. It's his infirmary. Cutscene.
4) Go to Ru'Lude Gardens and head into the palace. Proceed left around the main stairweel go through the door. You'll have entered the guard room. Talk to Pherimociel for the last cutscene you need.

5) Go visit a shattered crystal. Each of the three main telepoints has one. If this is your first visit, or if your memory is erased, you'll be prompted twice before entry.

6) You'll spawn the Hall of Transference. If this is your first time in, talk to the Large Apparatus. If you have been in this Promyvion before, you can walk up to the Cermet Door and talk to it for entry.


What should I know about this zone?

General details about the Emptiness:

* You're going through this stuff because it's the only way to access the Tavnazian Archipelago. If you ever want to get to that part of the world, this is the way. It's CoP's version of the Khazam Key quest.

* The level cap is 30.

* Experience will be earned here. If you are at or below level 30, you will earn experience as you normally would. If you are in Limit Mode, you will earn experience as you normally would. If you are in Experience Mode and are above level 30, your experience is reduced. All XP earned is applied to your main class. All deaths received carry a Lv30 penalty (350-400 after returning to your Home Point).

* Experience earned in a level-capped zone is either...
Formula 1) You earn the xp you'd get if your class were at it's full level.
Formula 2) You earn 1/2 the xp of your capped job.

... whichever is greater. If you're on a lv31 main capped down to 30, you'll get lots of xp and can do xp chains. If you're on a 60 main capped down to 30, you'll get 1/2 the xp a lv30 would earn. You can still get xp chains, however.

* Promy zones are keyed upon entry; if you've gone into Dem you can skip the entry cutscenes by talking to the Cermet Door in Dem. Conversely you can't warp directly to Mea and enter the crystal there. You'll receive no message explaining your inability to enter. If you want to leave the Promy you're working on and go elsewhere, use the Large Apparatus on your way out. The Apparatus will erase your memory, allowing you to enter any Promy zone. Once you have beaten a Promy zone and received the key item, you can enter and leave it at-will without erasing your memory.

* Erasing your memory does not remove drops acquired, experience earned, or key items obtained. It is only there to untie you from a given Promy zone.

* Enemies in Promyvion are called `the Empty`. There are several classes, detailed below.

* Each Promyvion has four floors of enemies.
1st: Easy Prey to Decent Challenge
2nd: Even Match to Tough
3rd: Very Tough to Incredibly Tough
4th: IT++

* To go up a floor, you must find and defeat a Memory Recepticle. MRs show up on Wide Scan. MRs always appear on platforms and the platform locations are fixed (thus memorizable/mappable). When you beat an MR, if you're fortunate, a portal to the next level will appear. Some MRs will not generate portals. More MR details are found below.

* MR Portals last for three minutes. Do not panic and rush the Portal, lest you leave someone behind. Make sure you take the time needed to clear any residual strays before ascending to the next level.

* If you need to go down a level, search for a platform that has a live portal, but no MR sitting on it. That will be the portal down. Try not to get separated from your group!

* The fourth floor has no MR; instead, you must find and enter the Spire. The Spire is a tower-like structure and has an archway that you zone through. Reaching it can be highly entertaining.

* The Spire is an empty room with a door at the end. The level-cap is removed inside the Spire. The door acts like a Burning Circle; talking to it lets your party enter for a BCNM battle against the Spire's boss. The level-cap is re-applied when the battle begins and all non-food buffs will be removed.

* Enemies drop several types of items, but the most important are the Recollections. These rare/ex items can be synthed into special animas by Harith (found in Ru'Lude in the building past Maat). Farm recollections and make the special animas before the boss fight. Farming these should be mandatory! See the appropriate section below for more information.

* Boss fights are single-party only. If you went up with a partial alliance someone is going to sit out during the fight. This can be good or bad...

* If you die against the boss, you are ejected back to the Spire after three minutes is up. If someone's there, they can Raise you. If you win, and it's your first victory, you are teleported back outside the shattered telepoint. If you have won before, you will go to a chamber with a teleporter; the teleporter can send you either outside or back to the Spire, your choice. If someone is left behind in the Spire and you have already left the Promy zone, the only way to get to them is to go UP.

* The Memory Flux gates are not used during the first three Promyvion runs. Don't worry about them.

What enemies will I encounter?

Each Promyvion zone has three regular enemies, plus an additional crag-specific beast. All Promy enemies can be thought of as Sight aggro, and all of them have True Sight. It is possible to stalk through without a single needless engagement.

The crag-specific enemies are important, as the boss in each crag is based off that class, as is the boss waiting in the Spire. If you want to learn how to fight the boss, spend some time fighting the crag-specific enemy - the boss typically gets one extra special attack. Not that it matters; you should be slamming it with Hysteroanima instead of eating it's special attacks.


Normal Enemies:

Wanderer: Floating wisps of memory; these are the most common creature and are sometimes found in packs.

Aura of Persistance - Defense boost.
Mirage - Evasion boost.
Vanity Drive - Damage attack, one target.
Empty Beleaguer - Damage attack, AOE.


Weeper: These look like dinosaurs; specifically, like a tiny stegosaurus. Quite common and often found near Wanderers.

Hexagon Belt - Defense boost.
Empty Cutter - Damage attack, one target.
Vacuous Oscillation - Damage attack + poison, one target (and it licks you. If only it used it's tongue for good!).
Auroral Drape - AOE Silence + Blind.
Memory of <Element> - AOE Elemental damage based on the Weeper's core; be careful fighting a green Weeper on Windsday, etc. I've seen this spammed fairly hard before.


Seether: Walking eyeballs. Less common but still appear from time to time. Most parties refuse to fight these.

Occultation - Utsusemi-like skill, unsure of total # of shadows.
Vanity Strike - Damage attack, one target.
Empty Crush - High damage attack, one target.
Lamentation - Damage attack, AOE.
Wanion - AOE Transferrance; any debuffs stacked on the Seether are pushed to your party.


Crag-specific enemies:

Dem / Gorger: Large ticks, fat and lumbering.

Stygian Flatus - AOE Paralyze.
Quadratic Continuum - Damage attack, one target.
Promyvion Barrier - Defense boost.


Mea / Craver: Sort of an obscene Daddy Longlegs. They stand straight and tall; the central leg is a whip-like tail. These can be a pain to fight.

Material Fend - Evasion boost.
Brain Spike - Damage attack, one target.
Empty Thrash - High damage attack, one target.
Murk - AOE Slow + Gravity.
Promyvion Brume - AOE damage + poison + hate reset.


Holla / Thinker: Sort of reminds me of the living trees in Jugner, but more squat in appearance. Two clearly defined eyes.

Winds of Promyvion - Erase.
Stygian Vapor - AOE Plague (sets TP to 0, stops TP growth).

The Thinker likely has more skills but we weren't letting them live long enough to find out for sure.


Notorious Monsters:

On 12/9/2004 NMs were added to the Promyvion zones. The NMs always appear on the third floor of the zone. In each Promyvion, the third floor is actually comprised of two separate maps; one has the NM, one does not. Which map you get is somewhat random. (Check FFXI-Atlas for confirmation.)

The NMs can range and have no predefined area or movement pattern that I can find; we wound up chasing the Coveter for quite some distance after he killed my party.

The NMs drop a rare/ex Remnant keyed to their type, and may also drop Memodrops for that crag. See the relevant sections below.

The NMs are hard, but can be beaten by a party of six; alliances should worry only about the AOE skills. Animas cannot be used against the NMs. My Promy strike-team was able to take the Coveter and the Cerebrator in the same evening. The fights are hard; there isn't much difference between the NM and the boss, save for a single skill and the boss having a few more HP. NMs are significantly harder than their crag-specific counterparts.


Dem / Satiator (Gorger type)
Drops: Remnant of a satiator, Beryl Memodrop

Promyvion Barrier - Defense boost.
Vanity Drive - Damage attack, one target.
Quadratic Continuum - Damage attack, one target.


Mea / Coveter (Craver type)
HP: ~3,600 (thanks, Prim)
Drops: Remnant of a coveter, Indigo Memodrop

Material Fend - Evasion boost.
Brain Spike - Damage attack, one target.
Empty Thrash - High damage attack, one target.
Murk - AOE Slow + Gravity.
Promyvion Brume - AOE damage + poison + hate reset.
Impalement - Huge damage, single target. Damage can vary. I've seen it hit for 100, I've also seen 500. Throat-stab type?


Holla / Cerebrator (Thinker type)
Drops: Remnant of a cerebrator, Teal Memodrop

* Spirit Tap - Steals 1 status effect from one target.
* Binary Tap - Steals 2 status effects from one target.
* Trinary Tap - Steals 3 status effects from one target.
Spirit Absorbtion - Drain, one target.
Binary Absorbtion - Drain, one target.
Empty Cutter - Damage attack, one target
Negative Whirl - Damage attack, AOE.
Stygian Vapor - AOE Plague + hate reset.
Winds of Promyvion - Erase.

* Utsusemi doesn't do a thing versus these attacks, as the enemy steals your shadows for itself.


Enemy core-types:

Pay attention to the core of the Empties; by noting the color, you can tell what it's elemental properties are -- and from that, you'll know what weakness it has. The excellent photos below are from Prim:

Fire
Earth
Water
Wind
Ice
Thunder
Light
Dark


How do I reach the Spire?

To reach the Spire you must locate and fight Memory Recepticles. MRs are large glowing balls that sit on the various platforms found in Promyvion. An MR will have a number of Strays surrounding it. Strays look like Wanderers and appear as a clustered group.

When you arrive at an MR it will not attack, though its Strays will aggro. The MR remains inactive until engaged. Clear the Strays first, then set a camp to do battle from.

MRs fight using two techniques. First, they'll spawn Strays throughout the fight. You can see this happen when the MR goes up into the air. Second, the MR has an attack called Empty Seed. This is a high range AOE damage skill with an incredible knockback effect. It's lots of fun to get slapped by.


Best practices:

If you are a damage dealer, get on the platform with the MR. Set your back to one of the four pillars on the platform. This will keep you in melee range and prevent the knockback effect from sending you flying. It will also keep you conveniently close to one another for Curaga spells. Empty Seed can also be blocked with Utsusemi.

My recommendation is to have one attacker stand back with the healer. Let this attacker pull Strays as they're born and engage them solo. A Red Mage is completely capable of soloing every Stray created during the battle.

Keep up the damage and the MR will fall. As soon as it dies, the main combat team must engage and defeat any remaining Strays. Once the platform area is clear, pray that a portal spawns to take you upstairs.

If you are in an overstrength alliance, it pays to know that you don't have to call for help on a Recepticle fight. All available players may engage and kill the MR together.


- `Fake` Recepticles -

Sometimes you'll kill an MR and it won't give you a portal. You will have to kill a new MR to go upstairs. Sometimes they spawn on other platforms; sometimes one will respawn on the same platform you just fought. The rate of portal spawns is unknown, but is keyed only to beating the MR - not to a particular platform.



What kinds of drops can I expect, and what do they do?

There are four types of drops that occur in Promyvion. Note that Rangers cannot Scavenge here.

Remnant of a memory

There are eight types, one for each element in the game. Alchemists are able to synth these into Elemental Animas, which are used in a variety of other tasks. The recipes for Elemental Animas are Alchemy Lv75~ and require the guild key item. Here's the breakdown for which types synth to which elements:

Profane - Earth
Fleeting - Wind
Bitter - Ice
Burning - Fire
Somber - Water
Startling - Lightning
Radiant - Light
Malevolent - Dark


Memodrops

Memodrops are what give you the map to a given Promyvion. To get the map you must locate the ??? point inside the Promyvion zone. This point will be inside a blue structure; one of Promy's streetlights, if you will. It will be surrounded by enemies.

Memodrops may fall very rarely from the crag-specific enemies; Gorgers in Dem, Cravers in Mea, Thinkers in Holla. They also drop from the Notorious Monsters.

There is a different color memodrop for each Promyvion. The colors and associated crags are listed:

Dem - Beryl Memodrop
Mea - Indigo Memodrop
Holla - Teal Memodrop

The ???-point will always be on one of the heavily guarded lamp-like objects out in the zone. This has been made more confusing thanks to the addition of NPC quests, which you finish by finding a separate, different ???-point. Remember the lamps!

The ???-point for the map is most always on the third or fourth floor.


Recollection of <x>

These are the most important of the four drops! These are what you'll want to go into Promy for to farm up before taking a shot at the bosses. Recollections are rare/ex memories that can be exchanged for special animas. The special animas act like anti-boss weapons.

The special animas can be used like any item or food would be; the target will be the Boss instead of yourself. Example macro: /item "Psychoanima" <t>

There are three types of recollections, and three types of animas to be made:

Recollection of Guilt -=> Terroanima
The enemy will become afraid and run around. Good as a defense if you're drawn unfortunate aggro. You can also try to ElemSeal+Bind and pound on the enemy; he will not fight back while he's trying to flee.

Recollection of Fear -=> Psychoanima
The enemy will be Intimidated for the duration. This will pre-empt any normal attacks. Special attacks may still occur while Pyschoanima is in effect. If you are able to use Psychoanima before the NM triggers a physical attack skill (such as Carousel), the damage will be negated.

Recollection of Pain -=> Hysteroanima
The enemy will attempt to use special attacks, but they will not execute. This is a fantastic anima as it prevents the boss from swarming you under with their most powerful attacks. Sadly there is no message to let you know that Hysteroanima is working, nor any to let you know when it stops.

These effects of these special animas <> stack <>. If you farm up Psychoanima to go with your Hystero you can shut down Physical and Special attacks for 25-30 seconds at a stretch. As long as you can do sufficient damage to the boss and kill it before you're out of animas you're going to be fine.

Some Recollections are easier to farm in certain crags due to the way they drop. Wanderers will drop one Recollection, Weepers drop another, Seethers drop the third. Seethers can only be found on the second floor and higher and are a pain to fight - it may be to your advantage to change to an easier crag to farm a particular Recollection.

Dem
Wanderers: Pain (Hystero)
Weepers: Guilt (Terro)
Seethers: Fear (Psycho)

Mea
Wanderers: Guilt (Terro)
Weepers: Fear (Psycho)
Seethers: Pain (Hystero)

Holla
Wanderers: Fear (Psycho)
Weepers: Pain (Hystero)
Seethers: Guilt (Terro)

I recommend Hysteroanima for your entire party at a minimum; Hystero + Psycho for best results. Terroanima has caused me more problems than benefits - I do not use it in combat.

Take these back to Harith in Ru'lude Gardens (the building back behind where Maat is). Trade him the Recollection + 2,000g to get your special anima back. There is a minor catch to this.

The animas are rare/ex, so you can't hold two.

If you synth up your Hysteroanima then give him a Rec. of Pain, Harith will take it. He'll even make the Hysteroanima for you. He just won't give it to you! He'll also refuse to do any other conversions while he's holding your Hysteroanima.



Remnant of a <Notorious Monster>

Each of the NMs drops a rare/ex Remnant; the Coveter drops a `Remnant of a coveter`, for example.

These Remnants can be taken into Promyvion-Vazhl and traded to ???-points inside. When traded, new Promy-Vazhl NMs are spawned. These special NMs drop some interesting gear, but as this guide is only about the three basic promys, it will not be detailed. :)

Each Promy NM drops a single copy of its Remnant.


What's waiting for me in the Spire?

Boss fights, of course. The Spire is a long room where your level cap is turned off. At the end is a door that you can talk to; doing so will start a BCNM-style fight called `Ancient Flames Beckon`. Your party is teleported into the arena and the battle begins. You will have time to buff and med on the inside of the door, so don't panic - just don't run forward after you zone in.


All bosses are a bigger form of the crag-specific enemy.


Dem / Progenerator (Gorger)

Specials:
Fusion - Spawns an Offspring
Spirit Absorbtion - 200 HP drain attack
Promyvion Barrier (offspring only) - Defense Boost
Quadratic Continuum - Damage attack, one target
Vanity Drive - Damage attack, one target

The offspring are smaller than normal Gorgers and are weak. The Progenerator is immune to Sleep and Bind; the offspring are not. The maximum number of offspring in play is 6. Offspring will continue to be generated if some are killed off. Fusion seems to start happening @ 50% HP and can be blocked by Hysteroanima or by kiting the Progenerator around.

This NM is said to have a regeneration ability, though I did not see it in combat. The only major problem it caused for my party was that the offspring were generated faster than we could handle (our first run was with 0 anima in hand).

Kiting is possible and is fun; it's especially do-able with a blink tank and ElemSeal+Gravity. If you get an offspring and have no way to handle it, consider kiting the boss or using a Terroanima; that should give you plenty of time to handle the add.


Mea / Delver (Craver)

Specials:
Brain Spike - Damage attack, one target.
Empty Thrash - High damage attack, one target.
Impalement - High damage attack, one target. Damage varies oddly.
Murk - AOE Slow + Gravity.
Promyvion Brume - AOE damage + poison + hate reset.
Carousel - Higher AOE damage.

Carosel is a bothersome attack as healing your damage dealers often requires Curaga, which can shift hate in unpleasant ways. Utsusemi can block the Carosel. Utsusemi can't block the AOE poison effect from Promyvion Brume. This is an incredibly nasty skill to face; Hysteroanima will be your friend.

Make sure you bring Antidote potions to self-cure poison; your healer will not have time to give Poisona to people. The hate-reset also makes doing so a dangerous proposition.

This boss is incredibly hard to fight if let him spam his skills. Try triggering hysteroanimas every 20 seconds (or six weapon attacks) to keep him from ever getting one off. Bring poison potions - Brume resets hate; if your WHM is doing Poisona repeatedly he may find himself being chased. Running away with Gravity on is ... tricky.


Holla / Wreaker (Thinker)

Specials:
Trinary Absorbtion - Drain, one target.
Trinary Tap - Steals 3 status effects from whomever is targeted.
Empty Cutter - Damage attack, one target.
Negative Whirl - Damage attack, AOE.
Stygian Vapor - AOE Plague + hate reset.
Shadow Spread - AOE Curse + Sleep. This is what kills teams.

Bring poison potions (something slow) to make sure you don't sleep; bring Holy Water to fix the Curse status.

Hysteroanimas are your friend. Every 20 seconds will do it for you. My team fought this boss with six hysteroanimas on board; we used four by the time he died. We were not affected by a single skill, so I can't fully update his list. In truth, I never want to go up there to let him slap me around. Would you? ^^


- Helping Others -

People who have completed a BCNM fight are able to enter to help others, so long as someone who needs the battle triggers combat first. In all respects, it's just like the 2-3 Dragon fight, the the 5-1 Archlich Taber'quon fight, the 5-2 Shadow Lord fight, and many others.


- Combat Reports! -

Soloing a Memory Recepticle as RNG/NIN
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1096069103816519622
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1096079465828958160

vs. Mea
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1096088564279342550
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1096090211838113377

vs. Holla
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=109609584291161400
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1096102125330208841
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1096134769359188217

vs. Dem
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1096384424240591632
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1096467008127405991
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1096565317941636686



Why do I want to do the Promy missions?

When you finish your third Promyvion BCNM, you will be automatically warped to Lufaise Meadows. This gets you a cut-scene and starts Chapter 2 of Chains of Promathia.

After you have started Chapter 2, you will be able to use the Swirling Green Vortexes in Valkurm Dunes and Quifm Isle.

Valkurm Dunes -=> Lufaise Meadows
Quifm Isle -=> Misareaux Coast

You will then be able to walk to the Tavnazian Safehold, where the next CoP missions await.

If you complete your last Promy run with a Level 30 character, it's important to know that there are aggressive enemies between you and the Safehold. Either wait for friends, recruit some on-site help, or back up 'til you find the Portal and jump over to Valkurm. Come back with Prism Powders (Orcs, Giants) and Silent Oils (Bugards).


So what happens next?

A new thread has been started, just for you.

Phomiuna Aqueducts - The Minotaur - Get your game on!
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1103568552152379491


Credits, etc

aziwoqpd - for the initial additional NM data
KiranaofIfrit x5 - for detailed Holla NM data, post-promyvion information, more Mea NM data, and more post-promyvion info, Dem NM data, and for a correction on Trinary Tap.
insideout - linked to recollection/anima data
agentvasz - more data on recollections
AmanoJ - info on going back down through portals
exilekiss - *tons* of confirmations and solid post-promyvion data! woo!
tekkub - Dem memodrop confirmation, Terroanima name confirmation, and the info on colors of the Empty
Pyke, RoyalWolfy - Pso'xja information
Arkenstone - great combat data
XxShockerxX - Holla NM elemental data
Ganthrinor - Psychoanima effect
selebrin - Hysteroanima effect
BluesHawk - Terroanima effect
Prim - hp data on the Coveter
Prim, again - Great links for the core-types, info on the Portal disappearance rate
Zarath - details on what drops what Recollections in promy.

Edited, Thu May 11 13:05:43 2006 by Wingchild
#2 Sep 24 2004 at 4:03 PM Rating: Good
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Excellent post, excellent thread idea. I like the idea of one-stop-shopping for my Promyvion info and tips.
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excellent job! rate up!

i would follow this, but emptiness is scarey for a lvl 30 taru BLM ><'
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I would love to add some things but....oh yeah...dont have CoP *********** New Hampshire..
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It appears to be nothing more than a rumor that the MR's hitpoints are determined by the number of people attacking it. I've attacked them with 5 people and with 12 people, and it went down quicker the second time. Plus it doesn't really make too much sense -- the deadliness of the thing is in the Strays, anyway.

I also found this description of each BC mob. I didn't write down the name of the person who originally wrote it, so sorry for not being able to give you credit:

Holla BC mob: Wreaker(Seether type)
AE Sleep and Curses, HP Drains. Absorbs all buffs (food, shell, protect, etc) that makes it stronger.
tip: Tanks and attackers: don't use any buffs! Take poison poion to counter sleep, holy water for uncurse and hi-potions.
You recieve a key item after defeating it and get ported out to La Theine.

Mea BC mob: Delver(Craver type)
Strong Poison and has an attack that reset hate and does insane damage, can be avoided by utusemi or running away.
tip: Go all out on it with 2H etc after it's HP reaches 50%. Antidote, Hi-Potion and 'Persikos au lait'(regen).
You recieve a key item after defeating it and get ported out to Tahrongi.

Dem BC mob: Progenerator(Gorger type) (Weak to water?)
Starts spitting out Offspring(Gorger type) after 50%hp, 1 at a time upto 6 that will repop if killed. (drops with the boss).
tip: It regenerates so go all out when you see it's regen outpace your damage. Don't bother with the 6 pops. hi-potions.
You recieve a key item after defeating it and get ported out to Konschtat.
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We tried calling for help on the Memory Receptacle, and were not allowed. I assume this is a special rule type mob in this sense, thus whether you handle it one on one or 18 on one, I think it's hp might be the same.

Suggested strategy for killing Memory Receptacle:

Have RNG's, BLM's, BST's use their weapons/magic/pets to wear it down. Poison and Bio are very helpful from a BLM, (as I'm sure Burn or Choke or whatever as well).

All melees concentrate on keeping strays out of your way. White mages make sure the range people do not get killed, well, anyone for that matter ^^
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Thanks, guys; rate ups for additional good info.
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Yes, nice outline.
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#9 Sep 24 2004 at 8:26 PM Rating: Default
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Nice post =)

Thanks!
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excellent post
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Explored 2nd level a bit, but still no luck finding the ??? to get map. Watched another alliance take on the 2nd receptacle, they were doing well but there were alot more strays here and mages got some agro (never good). I was able to pick off a few strays for them and was surprised I never got hit by Empty Seed, so assuming it only hits those in pt/alliance that has claim on receptacle. The alliance made it thru w/ about half their people, the rest were dead or dying from strays and couldn't port in time.

Decided to try my technique on 2nd receptacle once area was reset. It was working well, however, when I pulled a stray to regain hit points, the receptacle regenerate health very quickly. So worked it back down below 1/2 life and ran out of shehei, so w/ out utsusemi I just backed off and headed for exit.

I'm going to stock up and try this again tonight after work. Will post more info later.
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#12 Sep 24 2004 at 9:45 PM Rating: Good
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Just something i figured out today, even if you have the Memory Recepticle claimed, other alliances and parties can also attack it. We noticed it because our RNG decided to try and shoot an arrow or 2 at one while another alliance was fighting it. So calling for help on them wont actually do anything, because they can allready be attacked by anyone

Another very important thing is orginization and following instructions. We failed today because half of the alliance we were in did not follow instructions to clear out all aggro before going in the portal, so 12 of the 18 members ported, and left 6 of us to fight 3 strays, so we missed the portal. Basically, dont take this too lightly, it is NOT easy, and just because its lvl 30 cap doesnt mean that it can be done by anybody. A lot of adds will happen if your not careful and sneaking around things. Don't go around looking for fights past the second level. Monsters like to clump together and even though they dont link, they will aggro you.

Regardless, these are a lot of fun, and i intend to finish all of them next week with my linkshell, good luck to anyone who tries this.
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#13 Sep 24 2004 at 9:52 PM Rating: Decent
Not sure if anybody is far enough to answer this yet, but once you complete it, can you go in and do it again. Or will it be like the rank 2-3 dragon fight and the dragoon dragon fight where you can only re-enter with somebody that hasn't finished it yet.

Either way, just did the quest to get in here, me and a friend took out some EP on the first floor then we had to leave, I plan on going back to solo some of the EP at the first floor, then later going with an alliance of my LS.

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#14 Sep 24 2004 at 9:54 PM Rating: Decent
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yeah i went with a thf pld and me(rng). we killed the 1st receptical, noticed the mobs got harder and said ***** this lol, we'll come back with a full pt. as for those who have beaten it or know those who have, what is its purpose?!?! other than storyline of course, which is always nice. i read in one thread it would allow you to get to tavnazian safehold if you beat them all? any other info or bonuses you get? (thread was the 1st one you linked).
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The Ramuh team went through Holla **** no more than an hour ago.

We went as a 3 party alliance.

We were all pretty new at it. And didnt know what to expect.
We arrived at the third level where everything was an IT mob. Got to the third NM when numerous Strays popped out of nowhere.

All had died and we were dependant on one Taru WHM to raise us.

It died as well... and we Death Warped back home.
But~ we're going there again tomorrow and will be better prepared ^^
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#16 Sep 24 2004 at 10:28 PM Rating: Decent
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You can not call for help on a Memory Recepticle. I tried this, it just won't let you.

I spent hours getting to the Mea BCNM only to die at the boss. Many people dropped along the way and we did not have enough tanks be successful.

Expect it to be long. Expect there to be a lot of problems with strays and teleports, people getting stuck and then having to redo the lvl again. All I can say is, don't be in a rush for the teleport. Make sure everyone gets through, you have a minute to either kill all the aggro (Don't create more) or sleep them all (I hope you have a brd). Don't rush ahead from the group, stick to a leader. Oh, and don't use reraise before getting into the BCNM battle. > <
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A thing to note is that Promyvion itself is considered a regular zone like any other, except that it has limits to battling there. You can only have access to one Promyvion at a time, and it has a level cap of 30.

There is an area called "Hall of Transference" that you teleport to before you enter the actual Promyvion area. This area is meant to give you a space to prepare for entry into Promyvion (switch armor, basically). Don't do your buffs, etc. cause they will wear off just like a burning Circle.

I have yet to be to a Spire of anything yet, but we're hoping to get there tonight. In case anyone hasn't figure out yet, this looks to be a GREAT place to level from 25-30-ish... an alternative to Yuhtunga :D
#18 Sep 24 2004 at 11:19 PM Rating: Decent
My Promyvion - Dem experience:


We had a full alliance. A smn, whm, and a rng (I was a rng) in every group the rest were various mages and melee. We started this with almost no prior knowledge on tactics and whatnot.

The first Memory Receptacle was easy. The tactic we used was for the rngs and smns to attack with ranged and avatars while the melees protected us from the strays and the mages healed.

The second lvl mobs ranged from T to IT. Some of the mobs you'll see from here on in have some very nasty AOE spells including a diaga that takes about 9-10 hp/tick.
The 2nd receptacle was much tougher than the first (common sense I know, but I can't stress it enough). We used the same tactic for the 2nd one and we beat it although there was more than a few deaths. There weren't enough melees to keep the strays off of the rngs and smns. Even though we defeated it, there was no portal.

So we regrouped and found another receptacle. Our tactic this time was to get one of the smns to do an aoe attack to draw all the hate from the strays while the rest of us killed the receptacle. It worked fairly well, only one death this time, and we were on to the 3rd lvl.

The 3rd receptacle was exponentially tougher. It would spam Empty Seed with pretty much no delay. That and the horde of strays took care of us fairly quickly. We managed to defeat the MR, but only about half of the alliance was alive and made it through the portal. After much standing around and more deaths from the people that made it through, we decided to come back when we could find some more info on it.

Sidenotes:

Rare/ex drops: Recollection of Guilt and Recollection of Pain.

We also found a door-like structure on the 3rd lvl called Memory Flux. You could target it, but all it would say is something about the memories holding it together.

I apologize for the lack of detail, but things were a little hectic and disorganized.

Oh yeah, it was also a **** of a lot of fun.
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Did Mea tonight ^^

We passed the floors easy as pie. The hardest part was communication. We used WAR/NIN's for tanks, RNG's/BLm's for ranged attackers, and tried to keep 1 SMN per pt.

The Orbs have "fakes" that, when killed, do not open a gate.

The idea of SMN is that Astral Flow will spank the NM on the 4th floor, but we were still unsucessful ><

The end NM, Delver, was tough as nails. Heavy resists to magic, Bind didt work, and its AOE is perfectly capable of 1-shotting a hume BLM.

Next time, Im bringing a Reraise with me. This is important for RNG's, BLM's. We can attack effectively while weak (Manafont).

BLM's: Dont waste your MP on the little guys around each Orb guard. They can be Aspir'd well, and Drain'd. Melees will finish these quick, no need to blow MP.

Anything with a white core to it will eat it from Drain. 110+ dmg, a sizeable chunk of thier life.

Anything with a Blackish purple core is super-resistant to Dark based magics. The color of the orb generally tells you its element, and what to nuke with.

The Orb floor guards seemed to resist -ga magic more, and Tier II did fairly well on it (All you get is Stone II and Water II ><)

The Orbs seem to change element as well, with no apperance change. (Thats just a hunch, spell damage was erratic. Sometimes 90% resist, sometimes extra dmg)

The final to Mea spanked all 3 pt's in our alliance. >< As aforementioned, hate is difficult to manage in this fight. For any BLM's, debuff him if you can, playing it light. WHen the first AOE hits, land your drain and wait for a voke. Then let him have it.

Good luck :D
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The Memory Recepticle WILL attack anyone near it with Empty Seed, even if they are not in the claiming party. A mate and I were exploring the first level and walked up to it just before a party took it on, and he got nailed with it right off while the others in the attacking party did not.
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I just did a Mea run.

What an utter waste of time ; ;

Got an alliance together in about an hour, each party had a BLM, a WHM, a PLD, and DDs. My party was BLM WHM PLD THF DRK WAR (me). It was a lot of fun, and it's actually incredibly easy with an alliance.

The first floor is a joke. All the mobs are EP and go down in seconds. When you get the Memory Recepticle, let the BLMs and RNGs go to town on it. The first one goes down pretty fast and the Seekers are very easy to kill. You will get interrupted if you have aggro when you step on the platform.

The second floor is harder. The mobs are DC->T, but with an alliance, it's very easy. Same deal on the Recepticle, but make double sure to kill the Seekers. They get very annoying.

The third floor is when it finally gets hard. Everything is IT (but slightly IT. Low eva and low def on a few), so if you get aggro, you'll be ok as long as you don't pull a whole lot of links. This last Recepticle is HARD. The Seekers are a small challenge and they come in groups of two or three. It's probably a good idea to get it on low HP, then heal and come back. Not having this foresight, two people in the party died.

The fourth floor is ****. It's like a 500 foot run to the castle. All the mobs are IT++. Taking one is dangerous. Getting a link is ******' SCARY. We barely survived this, and eventually just gave up trying to be sneaky and just sprinted to the castle. Take not that everything in Emptiness has True Sight.

The Spire of Mea is definitely an awesome sight, and it prepares you for the BCNM fight. Make sure all your parties are evened out, and DO NOT BUFF. Anything you buff, the NM will buff as well. Just eat your food and bring regen/mana-regen drink. We had all three parties go in at once, but you'll probably rather go one group at a time so each group knows what to expect.

We almost won. Poison hit our WHM, she tried to cure herself and the Paladin, pulled too much aggro, got a bad double attack critical on her, and fell. However, this mob is DEFINITELY weak to Thunder. We pulled off a killer SC with Berserk+Frostbite -> Mighty Strikes+Berserk+Sneak Attack+Sturmwid = Fragmentation bursted with Thundaga. That did about 1200 damage total, and knocked a good chunk of the HP bar off.

You definitely need the key item to get past the boss. I feel really ripped off because I had a great time, spent three hours working, made some good XP even, and then got nothing out of it except a slap in the face.

Only go if you expect to win. It's not fun to make it to Spire and get *******

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#22 Sep 25 2004 at 12:09 AM Rating: Decent
Does anyone know what the various memory fragments are used for? My entire alliance got aobut 10 of these and tried trading them to the scientist in Ru'Lude. He said he would purify them to anima but never accepted our trades.
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Just tried Promyvion-Mea tonight with a group of 16.

Like everyone else has said, first floor is a joke, second floor is a little more difficult.

It's that third floor that makes things complicated. If it weren't for this floor, you could easily get to the spire with 12 people. But this stinking Memory Receptacle and all it's Strays are very difficult to defeat even with 18 people. If anyone could work out a great strategy for this, please let me know.

4th floor, do your best to avoid aggroing anything, these guys are painful.

THE BOSS FIGHT:

Come over-prepared for this fight. This isn't the Rank 3 dragon battle, you can't waltz in without potions, drinks, food, etc. and expect to win.

He hits NASTY hard, terrible knockback attacks, and the one I loved the most was the "Impaler" attack. Did 446 damage to me. On the flip side, since I took so much damage, I lost all my Emnity so his focus was no longer on me. That kept me alive more than once.

This really is nothing more than a battle of attrition. If you have the right amount of food, drinks, etc, you should be able to outlast him.

If you want to win, COME PREPARED!

Also of note, BLM don't really need to waste their MP with nukes on this guy, it does jack for damage. Very high resistance. RNG is the nuker of choice in this fight. However, that doesn't leave BLM with nothing to do: they can still be backup healers.

Also, do not use the RNG 2 hour Eagle Eye Shot until it is down to it's last leg of health (below 15%). You will get aggro, and you will most likely die, and so will the rest of your party.

Hope some of this helps.
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How do you get your "memories erased", so you can enter a different Promyvion/Crag? I tried targeting and activating the other apparatus (opposite of the one that opens cermet door), but nothing happened.

edit: nvm, figured it out. use the apparatus on the left.

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