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WoW in the eyes of a former Red MageFollow

#1 Sep 05 2004 at 12:02 AM Rating: Good
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#2 Sep 05 2004 at 12:06 AM Rating: Decent
i answered this in the last post but great post, informative and well thought out. Like the description of how story arcs work. I would like to hear more about wow from the perspective of people who play. for instance how does the crafting system work cause i can never seem to find any info on it.
#3 Sep 05 2004 at 12:12 AM Rating: Default
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Only problem with WoW is Blizzard's bad reputation... games are comepletely hacked within hours of release, and blizzard isn't capable of good programming.
#4 Sep 05 2004 at 12:17 AM Rating: Decent
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i answered this in the last post but great post, informative and well thought out. Like the description of how story arcs work. I would like to hear more about wow from the perspective of people who play. for instance how does the crafting system work cause i can never seem to find any info on it.


Thanks for the rate up. For a second there I thought coming to these boards would equal death due to karma bombs.

Anyways, when it comes to tradeskills, you first must kill monsters for skill points. You can then take these points to a trainer in that skill (a fisherman for example) then purchase a rank in that skill (notive, artisan...things like that. forgot what the ranks were called. I mostly fight lol). You can then build upon that skill after you get it.

Now, when it comes to tradeskills themselves, there are various types. Mining and harvasting are gathering skills as oppose to weaponsmith and armorsmith which are carfting skills. One thing is for sure, there are no failures when it comes to crafting but if you want to craft a certain item, you must get the recipe first. The recipe is a seperate item you must get but certain recipes require certain levels of the craft. I can't really explain tradeskills that well since I only experienced the questing and fighting the most but I'll give it a try tommorrow and give you even more info on it.
#5 Sep 05 2004 at 12:20 AM Rating: Default
Alright thanks. I just hope its not sitting and staring at the screen like EQ and FFXi do, Eq2 is supposedly going to have More interaction with crafting. Oh and too bluffnix Blizzard does squash hacks just not at the rate that needs to be done but thats due to the fact they arent paid to keep hacks out. I could say the same thing about FF games, there are gameshark codes out days after release and square doesnt do anything about it :P I have a feeling though that with WOW blizzard will kill hacks due to that being part of their responsibilities as the provider.

Edited, Sun Sep 5 01:22:35 2004 by arimer
#6 Sep 05 2004 at 12:24 AM Rating: Default
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I agree about Blizzard reputation, it sucks.
#7 Sep 05 2004 at 12:24 AM Rating: Good
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Only problem with WoW is Blizzard's bad reputation... games are comepletely hacked within hours of release, and blizzard isn't capable of good programming.


I beg to differ, my friend. When it comes to Blizzard being awful when it comes to hacks, that is simply false. In fact, those who were caught hacking in Blizzard games were banned from Bnet and are unable to use their games at all when it comes to playing in Bnet.

As for being awful at programming, this is false also. By that statement you must be implying that their games are filled with bugs when this is simply not true. I have played both Warcraft 3 and Diablo 2 and they both run perfect with no bugs whatsoever. When it comes to World of Warcraft, I'm in stress test beta (which is to test how badly the game lags and crashes by stressing the system) and I must tell you that the game runs beautifully with little to no lag. I have crashed a few times but thats what beta is for, right?

No offense but if you are unable to make a statement regarding the game and how you can compare my info with your play experience in FFXI, its best not to reply. It's certainly better then spreading very false rumors of how Blizzard handles their games.

As I suspected, I took karma hits lol. Oh well. I guess the WoW vs FFXI battle shall continue...

Edited, Sun Sep 5 01:26:22 2004 by Redmoonxl
#8 Sep 05 2004 at 12:26 AM Rating: Decent
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Redmoonxl wrote:
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Only problem with WoW is Blizzard's bad reputation... games are comepletely hacked within hours of release, and blizzard isn't capable of good programming.


I beg to differ, my friend. When it comes to Blizzard being awful when it comes to hacks, that is simply false. In fact, those who were caught hacking in Blizzard games were banned from Bnet and are unable to use their games at all when it comes to playing in Bnet.

As for being awful at programming, this is false also. By that statement you must be implying that their games are filled with bugs when this is simply not true. I have played both Warcraft 3 and Diablo 2 and they both run perfect with no bugs whatsoever. When it comes to World of Warcraft, I'm in stress test beta (which is to test how badly the game lags and crashes by stressing the system) and I must tell you that the game runs beautifully with little to no lag. I have crashed a few times but thats what beta is for, right?

No offense but if you are unable to make a statement regarding the game and how you can compare my info with your play experience, its best not to reply. It's certainly better then spreading very false rumors of how Blizzard handles their games.

As I suspected, I took karma hits lol. Oh well. I guess the WoW vs FFXI battle shall continue...

Edited, Sun Sep 5 01:25:18 2004 by Redmoonxl


ROFL

Ok, how many MMORPG's does Blizzard have under their belt? ZERO
How many Blizzard games were hacked? ALL
#9 Sep 05 2004 at 12:28 AM Rating: Decent
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I kinda would have liked to try it, but, as always, I never got an e-mail.

Hopefully they plan on an open beta -.-
#10 Sep 05 2004 at 12:28 AM Rating: Default
hey redmoon how is does the grouping setup work? Are you stuck in the same group type every tiem or will different combos of classes work equally well?

They do plan on an open beta shortly before release and bluffnix your still trying to compare hacking of a nonpay online game to a pay for play game.

Edited, Sun Sep 5 01:30:17 2004 by arimer
#11 Sep 05 2004 at 12:29 AM Rating: Decent
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By the way, I understand the servers are already crashing with only 1000 people on each. That's funny since every other game can handle 4,000-5,000 people on each.
#12 Sep 05 2004 at 12:30 AM Rating: Decent
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I'll try it too, but I doubt it will be good. Personally I want EQ2.

Know what though, WOW is in beta and you can't yet compare it to a released game with over a million accounts (FFXI) or 450,000 accounts (EQ).

Edited, Sun Sep 5 01:31:25 2004 by DaluinRizzo
#13 Sep 05 2004 at 12:32 AM Rating: Decent
ITs still beta, All the server clusters arent up yet. Stress tests are usually used to test network code and Other things such as login servers etc. More server clusters should go up the closer to release they get if they follow the way other MMO's usually do it.
#14 Sep 05 2004 at 12:35 AM Rating: Decent
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You can probably find all your WOW answers on a WOW website.

Blizzard has a lot of work to sell to me, I don't think they are capable of a massive game.

Before anyone questions my replies, I've been programming for over 20 years. I've worked on games and even know a few people at Blizzard.
#15 Sep 05 2004 at 12:39 AM Rating: Default
Now you should know better than to trust a company about its games :P better to listen to other gamers.
#16 Sep 05 2004 at 12:41 AM Rating: Decent
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arimer wrote:
Now you should know better than to trust a company about its games :P better to listen to other gamers.


I've already seen all the flames and complaints on the WOW beta board :P Except the fanboi's of course, they're the ones who post about WOW on sites other than the WOW related ones /grin

Don't get me wrong, I will try WOW, I just think that EQ2 will blow it away. Blizzard isn't capable of making a good MORPG in my opinion.

Edited, Sun Sep 5 01:43:16 2004 by DaluinRizzo
#17 Sep 05 2004 at 12:47 AM Rating: Decent
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ROFL

Ok, how many MMORPG's does Blizzard have under their belt? ZERO
How many Blizzard games were hacked? ALL


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By the way, I understand the servers are already crashing with only 1000 people on each. That's funny since every other game can handle 4,000-5,000 people on each.


Excuse me but FFXI is also Square's first MMO and there are bots that roam the game. By the way, FFXI can hold at least 3000 people. Tell me, why aren't you critical to FFXI as you seem to be of WoW?

Also, keep in mind that I am in beta, which means that the game is not complete so I will not know how many people will fit in one server come retail. BTW, servers so far in at the highest (from what I saw) hold 2000 people before crashing. Lagging is very rare for me except in certain conditions (example: The night elf newbie zone where over 400 people were all together questing and hunting when stress beta began.) So far in terms of Server conditions, Blizzard gets a A for me.

As for the statement on how Blizzard games get hacked into, all games that involve online gets hacked into. This is not an issue unique to Blizzard but to all online games. Certain companies handle better then most but Blizzard imo handles it well.

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I'll try it too, but I doubt it will be good. Personally I want EQ2.

Know what though, WOW is in beta and you can't yet compare it to a released game with over a million accounts (FFXI) or 450,000 accounts (EQ).


I respect your opinion and you don't seem like a bomb thrower. As for accounts, FFXI only has 500,000 subscribers with 1 million made characters. When it comes to Blizzard's WoW, there are 400,000 beta testers in Europe, North America and Korea with 100,000 more in stress test. So far the number of people playing in beta equals to those playing in FFXI if you want to play the number game.

Btw, make sure that you make a simliar topic if you ever get to play EQ2. I'm interested on how the game turns out, okay? ^_~

Oh and as for the whining in the WoW beta boards, I like to call them the "Loud Minority". With over 500,000 people playing, surely 20 or so complainers is not changing your mind, is it? There are complainers here but that doesn't seem to sway you from FFXI. Trust me, the majority is enjoying the game just fine. BTW, I'm no long time Blizzard fan. Hell, I just discovered Blizzard a few months ago but I am impressed with the products they make and I am impressed with how WoW is turning out. If you want to call me a fanboy, call me a Nintendo fanboy. They rule over all ;P

Edited, Sun Sep 5 01:51:34 2004 by Redmoonxl
#18 Sep 05 2004 at 12:47 AM Rating: Decent
I too think that EQ2 will be awesome, (already joined a guild infact :P ) but i think wow could be a pretty good game if blizzard supports it and listens to its community, Which is something that FF lacks, theres really no dev/community relations with the US market. I never see anything from them unless its on playonline.
#19 Sep 05 2004 at 12:50 AM Rating: Decent
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"Btw, make sure that you make a simliar topic if you ever get to play EQ2. I'm interested on how the game turns out, okay? ^_~"

I don't go to non related sites and post about other games. That is, unless the developer wants to pay me to advertise.

I've said before I will try WOW, but in my opinion it's going to fail. I'm not going to argue with you about it, my opinion is just as valid as yours.
#20 Sep 05 2004 at 12:52 AM Rating: Good
Blizzard Does Excellent Programming.

Thier Control of thier Games is extremly lacking however. Yes FFXI has bots but thats very minor compared to Whats happened in blizzard games. They said that thier closed Realms in diabloII would be completly free of hacks. Go take a look at that now its a huge joke.

Blizzard CANNOT prevent hackers thier history has proven that what makes you think WoW will be better.
#21 Sep 05 2004 at 12:54 AM Rating: Decent
because once again they will have paid people in wow doing the job of hack control just like every other MMO, In D2 they were trying to do it out of the kindness of their own heart :P
#22 Sep 05 2004 at 12:55 AM Rating: Good
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arimer wrote:
I too think that EQ2 will be awesome, (already joined a guild infact :P ) but i think wow could be a pretty good game if blizzard supports it and listens to its community, Which is something that FF lacks, theres really no dev/community relations with the US market. I never see anything from them unless its on playonline.


In my opnion, EQ2 is where everyone who is a powergamer or avid MMORPG'er will go. WOW is fit for the casual gamer.

So far, out of the following games:
- MUDS (since the 80's I played a few)
- UO (had account for 6 years)
- DAOC (piece of ****)
- Horizons ******
- EQ (4 year accounts)
- FFXI (7 months or so, growing tired of farming and **** economy)
- AC1 (blah)
- AC2 (well still have my account since it went live, it's more like a graphic MUD now)

Only EQ and UO have held me the longest.
#23 Sep 05 2004 at 12:56 AM Rating: Decent
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arimer wrote:
because once again they will have paid people in wow doing the job of hack control just like every other MMO, In D2 they were trying to do it out of the kindness of their own heart :P


Do you have any idea what Blizzard pays???? I do, and trust me that it's VERY low. You don't get quality engineering with a bunch of greenbacks /grin
#24 Sep 05 2004 at 1:00 AM Rating: Decent
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Blizzard Does Excellent Programming.

Thier Control of thier Games is extremly lacking however. Yes FFXI has bots but thats very minor compared to Whats happened in blizzard games. They said that thier closed Realms in diabloII would be completly free of hacks. Go take a look at that now its a huge joke.

Blizzard CANNOT prevent hackers thier history has proven that what makes you think WoW will be better.


Trust me, no online game is free from hacks, its a fact of life. What companies can do is act on hacks. So far Blizzard have banned 18,000 cd keys from Bnet, never to be played again. Also, keep in mind that the services of a free online arena (such as Bnet) are different from a paid online service. I also just want to say that WoW will not be using Bnet servers when it comes to playing online. Bnet and WoW are not connected in any way, shape or form.
#25 Sep 05 2004 at 1:03 AM Rating: Decent
I prefer to blame the tarus for all problems related to MMO's
#26 Sep 05 2004 at 1:05 AM Rating: Decent
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arimer wrote:
I prefer to blame the tarus for all problems related to MMO's


LOL. I blame the Elvaan, worst race in FFXI :P
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