Sickening truth behind mysuper*****.com I found out todayFollow

Woops ><

Edited, Wed Aug 18 12:35:33 2004 by Myzreala

Tripple post, sorry.

Edited, Wed Aug 18 12:34:44 2004 by Empyrean

Jahava,

I agree with you. Most people aren't making a distinction between the company owners and the employies. They are making blanket statements about the whole operation and not realizing there is a difrence.

That is all I want people to see is there is a diffrence and to stop making blanket statements like that.

Take for example Sadam Hussein. I think its safe to say he was a bad person that needed to be remeoved from power.

Making a statement like Iraq is a bad country is the type of statments a lot of people are making.

The Iraqi people are great people and I enjoyed interacting with them. The situation Saddam put them in was horrible and I'm glad he is take care of. I was over there last year for 8 months.

I found the increasing quality of English from the guy throughout the conversation strange. Idioms? Complete sentances? Wha - ?
Am I out on a limb here? (excuses herself as she's just gotten up)

Not $400 Million reall dollars profit from selling gilz. Read the news release properly.

The value of items traded in the virtual world between players totals a real life value of $400 Million.
IGE gets a Portion of that.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-2/629214/shack.jpg

Rosx, quite frankly, I don't need to read your post carefully. From the very beginning its clear you have taken a biased stance against these players who may or may not be gil farmers. Your references to retards and the tone you take while typing out your post clearly show this.

"Did you read my post properly? that conversation is not B.S
don't say it's BS unless u come into Ifrit, play with them and have conversation with them the way I did."

Oh yes. That proves everything.. just because you say it. Forgive me if I'm skeptical. So please, do take a screenshot with FRAPs and post it.

"then don't act like you know everything"

I don't claim to know everything. As I stated earlier, its this players opinion that you're shooting the ****. So, before this degenerates to a giant flame war, I'm going to stop posting on this thread.

Yes Rosx, /sarcasm on, Peace.



Edited, Wed Aug 18 15:50:00 2004 by randomplayerthree

Jesus! Looking at the way you clowns go on and on about this subject in so many threads, you act like Bin laden has a group of Al Queda goons manning banks of PCs & PS2's in order to farm gil into dollars to finance his next terror operation.

(When you see the NM Campers shouting "ALLAH AKBAR! ALLAH AKBAR!" whenever Stray Mary gets killed, THEN you'll know)

Till then, GROW UP AND GET USED TO IT! It's here to stay!

(and I don't care if I get rated down for saying this or not. It needed to be said. Blame SE for making this game so gil-obsessed)

Machiavelian principles do not apply to the real world. Try and steal money from a bank because you have to feed your children. You'll still go to federal "pound me in the ***" prison. Kthnxbye.

This is a violation of the POL user agreement. S-E has just chosen not to do anything about it. They are abusing the system. (As is EVERYONE who sells gil, not just chinese people, japanese, people or american people)

To Empyrean

Im going to make a wild assumption here, so correct me if I'm wrong.
from my knowledge and information, you earn gil by crafting since your clothcraft and woodworking are both lv 50+. I don't craft myself but AFAIK you should be earning good gil crafting +1 stuffs. I was told by many that crafting at 50+ thats when profit start rolling in.

So? again I assume that you don't farm/nm camping to earn your gil. so? I could only wish 1 day when you decide to have fun farming/nm camping .. you realize its not that fun due to reasons I stated before.

Hmmm .. I have no comment on whether or not this is a true conversation or whether the original poster was fed a line of BS.

One of the only comments I have is that the Chinese governemnt enforce a very disproportionate exchange rate to the US$ on their citizens.

This equates to an equivalent tax of ~ 65% on all dollar transactions when converting dollars for mainland Chinese citizens (this is actually an issue for most financial analysts as the amount of Dollars the Chinese Giovernemnt has amassed as a result has lead to interesting swings in the price of paper pulp and lead globally - to name just a couple of products).

If Bob is needing to do this kind of work the sure as heck he won't have a computer / system set up. Minimum requirement will also include an ISDN link up being practical. Investment in Bobs machine / network / phone rental / electricity / pay offs to the local officials / site admin / whatever else : say ~ $200 pcm deducted at source. This does not include any contribution to setting up the operation in rural china in the first place. (I will allow you to argue that bob has been cash farming in MMORPG A, B & C and his machine is paid for by now - if this is a fresh set up costs will be higher).

Lets say Bob works 25 days pcm earning $50 a day. To allow for an acceptable profit to the original provider over their expenses I'd say that they would expect Bob's services to contribute $1000 a month over his costs. This is what I call "get out of bed money" - it means for setting up Bob, running the system & keeping it fluid so that SE doesn't nail your a$$ I would like to take back $12,000 dollars per annum from each gil slave. This is probably far too low as you would have to factor each account as having a half life of 3 months before being killed off. You have to figure that you will be making a profit from week 2 onwards to be practical - after all what is being done will get shut down by SE if you are too blatant or careless.

Therefore if Bob earns $50 a day in Gil - after expenses and my Get out of bed money and the contribution to the Chinese Givernemnt dollar surplus - he gets $20 a month. This sounds sustainable - right? Except this is before he pays tax or anything else.

Alternate business model:

Site KLHEGFHEGF will buy the gil off Joe public for half the amount they sell it for.

upsides:
initial investment - nil
risk - shifted in majority to seller
monthly expenses - site maintenance only

downsides: .....








I know if I had $50k to invest somewhere it wouldn't be on a theoretical computer sweat shop in china. Mexico ... now that's a different story :p

Gut call on those groups with same names - you're looking at account farming. Get them up to level XXX and sell them to lazy idiots. Now that's real money. But not a long term business as the market is limited (only so many people would buy such accounts).

And before this palaver goes much further - what exactly would you get for 100k gil ?

The serious players of this game all ready rack this up (through practice) on a regular basis. A nice piece of gear will cost you > 2 million. The pool of consumers who are are new to the game enough not to earn Gil themselves & willing to cough up $750 (or whatever) just to buy a peacock charm (or whatever) is not big enough to sustain a set up like the one mentioned.

The problem with all these arguments is that too many people seem to have a vested interest in saying they are not as good as other players because of some evil conspiracy rather than the basic truth - other players play better / more often.

No doubt there are unscrupulous players who fish bot, voke bot & then sell gil as well as harass, abuse trust etc etc

I just think the pool of these people is not as big as these threads imply by a long way (chinese gil farms is the "cheat of the week" thread by my reckoning - what next - "treasure chest bots - which is why it takes so long to get RSE !!!11!!!" ?).

Again: I am not calling anyone a liar - just I have difficulty holding a gil farm as a business model that would have a dramatic impact on the economy of FFXI.

Are you guys kidding, you actually believe him???

1. Rosx sounds very immature (calling people retards)
2. Rosx speaks Japanese (Very Hard to learn)
3. Rosx speaks Chinese (Uh oh, we have a liar on are hands)
4. A Chinese Guy making a living for his family, is not going to rat himself out to some jackass (Rosx), just for the hell of it.
5. Yes, I'm sure there are tons of these guys, but there not gonna talk to some english guy, that tried sending him a tell in English, Japanese and Chinese.

I'm still surprised people believed this, I figured I was gonna read a bunch of flames about what a bunch of crap it was, but then I saw people actually believing it.