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#27 Aug 09 2004 at 12:23 PM Rating: Decent
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Registrant:
Mysuper****, LLC (MYSUPER****-DOM)
105 NW 43rd St.
Boca Raton, FL 33431
US

Domain Name: MYSUPER****.COM

Administrative Contact:
Yantis, Jonathan (37758755P) jonyantis@mysuper****.com
Mysuper*****, LLC
105 NW 43rd St.
Boca Raton, FL 33431
US
917-340-3400

Technical Contact:
Network Solutions, LLC. (HOST-ORG) customerservice@networksolutions.com
13200 Woodland Park Drive
Herndon, VA 20171-3025
US
1-888-642-9675 fax: 571-434-4620

Record expires on 12-Jan-2008.
Record created on 12-Jan-2001.
Database last updated on 9-Aug-2004 13:16:39 EDT.

OrgName: Rackspace.com
OrgID: RSPC
Address: 112 E. Pecan St.
Address: Suite 600
City: San Antonio
StateProv: TX
PostalCode: 78205
Country: US

NetRange: 69.20.0.0 - 69.20.127.255
CIDR: 69.20.0.0/17
NetName: RSPC-NET-4
NetHandle: NET-69-20-0-0-1
Parent: NET-69-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer: NS.RACKSPACE.COM
NameServer: NS2.RACKSPACE.COM
Comment:
RegDate: 2003-01-24
Updated: 2004-04-28

OrgAbuseHandle: ABUSE45-ARIN
OrgAbuseName: Abuse Desk
OrgAbusePhone: +1-210-892-4000
OrgAbuseEmail: abuse@rackspace.com

OrgTechHandle: IPADM17-ARIN
OrgTechName: IPADMIN
OrgTechPhone: +1-210-892-4000
OrgTechEmail: ipadmin@rackspace.com
#28 Aug 09 2004 at 9:12 PM Rating: Decent
Thanks layoneil.. for spilling out a little more info about yantis +)
rate you up
#29 Aug 10 2004 at 11:44 PM Rating: Decent
go ifrit >.>
#30 Aug 11 2004 at 10:53 AM Rating: Decent
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YO man im on ifrit and I know EXACTLY what you are talking about.

Theres a group of chineese bots that run from jueno, through quifim, into the Tower. The run up the stairs and all. They fight, everything. My whole LS has seen them. I know EXACTLY what you are tlking about. RATE UP MAN


Naturi
"The Wanderers"
#31 Aug 12 2004 at 12:26 AM Rating: Default
thx for your comment and rate up naturi +). I have yet to meet a gil farming bot. these people that I met do respond so they are not bot obviously. they dont respond to you because they don't understand eng or jp.
if u can be bothered, the next time u see them

/tell ni hao ma? <how are you?>

I bet you get a response ^^
#32 Aug 18 2004 at 5:11 AM Rating: Decent
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the problem with SoE and other companies enforcing there user agreements is that they actulay have no legal basis. In more than one occasion where and account has been banned in other online line games, there have been court rulings in favour of the offender.

The reason being that user aggreements are rarely read, and easily skipped by. An agree button is simply not equal to an actual signature.

If User Agreements with legaly binding 100% of the time than perhaps you would see these companies be able to take game money sellers to court, but they don't. So just chew on that little timbit of info.
#33 Aug 18 2004 at 5:50 AM Rating: Default
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#34 Aug 18 2004 at 6:29 AM Rating: Good
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The only reason you would be against this is jealousy... Sorry but who cares that someone sells their gil? I don't. Only people lazy enough not to earn their gil the hard way complain about this.

Let those chinese people farm money for their employee. Let them get payed. Let them earn their 8 dollars to feed their children for christs sake. You go ahead, you go force SoE to do something against these companies. They close, the people who earned their bread lose there income (even if it sucks) and their children are in hunger... Nice look in the future isn't it? You sitting there behind your 600 dollar PC, paying SoE every month the money those people earn in a year and tell them to stop doing it, cause they steal your NM or wathever. Send a small donations to organisations that help people forced in such situations. They got it much worse then we do.

Sorry but that attitude disgusts me more then the attitude that it is moraly incorrect to let people earn gil to sell it.

Besides, so what if gil gets sold? It's not gonna make the economy crash or something. It's just some smart fella that started the whole process and now makes good money over it. You think he sits in his deskchair with a big cigar spanking his secretaries behind and laugh evily? No he has to work too.

True it is sick to let people earn gil for you, pay them a mere 8 dollars and sell it for 100 times more... But again those people NEED those 8 dollars.

In stead of taking on the 'company' that sells the gil, do somethign about the people buying the gil. Those are the rotten apples.

#35 Aug 18 2004 at 7:02 AM Rating: Decent
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Whats up everyone,

I have a different opinion to this post.

We have to remember that we live in a country where our poor still has access to water, shelter, and food. Most other countries, don't.

If this guy is making money playing a video game to support his family, so be it. I wish I could make a living playing video games.

I'm new and I don't know what mysuper*****.com is.

Just my opinion.
#36 Aug 18 2004 at 7:14 AM Rating: Decent
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Read over what you said again man. Going by your argument, how can it be "wrong" to buy the gil? You could say that the people who buy the gil are supporting those families. You could say that the people who buy the gil are feeding those families. You just can't call one half of a business wrong or against the rules. That's like saying "Ok, it's illegal to buy crack, but all cool if you want to sell it". WTF is that?
#37 Aug 18 2004 at 7:30 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm sorry.. but I'm going to have to go with saying this is total BS, if for no reason other than that the conversation looks totally made up.
I haven't done much research into the exchange of real currency/virtual currency, but I'm sure there are probably more lucrative ways to make money (even in, gasp, China) than working in some computer sweatshop.
On Ramuh server, there as several people whose names start with Ls followed by chienjei, stank, meiyu(sp) with underlevelled subs. I naturally assumed they were chinese gil farmers because of all the rampant rumors warning me to be careful of anything remotely chinese. I recently PT'd with two members of the LS crew and did very well.
I am Chinese, I can speak Cantonese fluently and my Mandarin is decent. I can hold conversations in both languages online. I've spoken with people who I assumed were members of this um.. infamous Chinese gil selling ring; the majority are in fact, just playing the game for the **** of it.
I'm not saying that theres no chance in hell somewhere in China theres isn't a 300 pound overlord cracking whips because he doesn't heat the sounds of mouses clicking... but again, my personal experiences have shown me most of these people are just playing the game for fun. Dont automatically assume. I'd venture for every "Chinese gil farmer/botter" theres at least two or three NAs or JPs or blind, albino Eskimos selling gil online.

GL7
#38 Aug 18 2004 at 10:13 AM Rating: Decent
To: Randomplayerthree

Did you read my post properly? that conversation is not B.S
don't say it's BS unless u come into Ifrit, play with them and have conversation with them the way I did.

they admitted they are from mainland china and they worked for mysuper*****.com. period. geez I shld've captured chat log with fraps

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I haven't done much research into the exchange of real currency/virtual currency


then don't act like you know everything

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I am Chinese, I can speak Cantonese fluently and my Mandarin is decent


So what? Im chinese too, my mandarin is good while my cantonese sux

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Dont automatically assume


Im not assuming anything here if you care to read my post properly

*peace*




#39 Aug 18 2004 at 10:21 AM Rating: Good
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To any of you that think this isn't true thats cool. This isn't to you.

To all of you that think down on these People in China that make a living working to make gil and sell it online you can F#@& off.

Stop being such a selfish ignorant ***. If you've never been to china and experienced what it's like to live in a country like that shut your mouth. I'm so sick of you guys (not naming names) crying about these people while you have obviously enought money to play this game have a decent computer, have a decent internet connection, have a easy *** decent job that you can sit around and post on these Forums all day... and i could go on and on.

These people have a family to support and they are doing it the best way possible. I am happy for them that they are making money off of people in this country that obviously have an excess of it to the extent that they can just throw it away on in game gil.

More power to them. I hope they make millions!

If you don't like what I said then Tough. Its the truth.
#40 Aug 18 2004 at 10:30 AM Rating: Good
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I'm sure there are probably more lucrative ways to make money (even in, gasp, China) than working in some computer sweatshop.


depends on who you are. i'm sure there are poor people in the US that would like a job like that. and there are a lot more "poor people" in China than the US.

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I'm not saying that theres no chance in hell somewhere in China theres isn't a 300 pound overlord cracking whips because he doesn't heat the sounds of mouses clicking...


you're taking the "sweatshop" thing too literally.

the enviornment in these places can't be too bad, to keep PCs or PS2s running 24/7.

and farming in this game is not about clicking all the time, they get quotas like 100k a day and stuff like that. no one is going to care if you take a dump for an hour if you make your quota. if you don't meet your quota, you get fired, that's all.

this is not some huge illegal operation in China, the Chinese government isn't going to raid these places.

if you look at the article i put up, these things are run like normal businesses. they have real offices and real ads in newspapers that hire people. they openly advertise and operate as legitamite business, that provide a service for people who want to play the game but don't have the time to farm.

the big difference is SE has a statement against this type of action in the TOS. but until they start sueing people, it doesn't matter.
#41 Aug 18 2004 at 10:40 AM Rating: Good
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These people have a family to support and they are doing it the best way possible. I am happy for them that they are making money off of people in this country that obviously have an excess of it to the extent that they can just throw it away on in game gil.


You can basically justify any job with that. "Oh but he's supporting his family" shouldn't be able to justify cheating.

Let me state this for you:

They are violating the ToS. They are not following the Terms they agreed to. They are breaching a contract. They are cheating in a game. All to feed their family? What else can they do to feed their family?

How about a company that buys thousands of dollars of things with a corporate credit card, then bankrupts to negate all debts. Screws the credit card companies over, but they have an excess of money anyway. Would this be fine if they used the money to feed their families?

There is a merit to being legitimate, and there is reason to criticize those who lack lack that merit. I fully believe that farming and selling gil in-game harms players. This right here harms players - people who are camping profitable NMs for money! It's frustrating to compete with a person when your intentions are to have fun and their intentions are to make a living. Frankly, their intentions are not welcome in this game - the Terms of Service say so.

To make a living for your family is a great thing, but to harm a majority of people for self profit is disgusting. To take the "fun" out of a game for your own profit is disgusting. To breach a contract designed to make the game fair is disgusting. These people are disgusting people.

Edited, Wed Aug 18 11:41:53 2004 by Jahava
#42 Aug 18 2004 at 10:46 AM Rating: Default
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him: yes I have a wife and kids to feed


Maybe this was just mistranslated, but in mainland China each family is only allowed to have 1 child.
#43 Aug 18 2004 at 10:52 AM Rating: Default
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How about a company that buys thousands of dollars of things with a corporate credit card, then bankrupts to negate all debts. Screws the credit card companies over, but they have an excess of money anyway. Would this be fine if they used the money to feed their families?


/salute

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It's frustrating to compete with a person when your intentions are to have fun and their intentions are to make a living


this is what I've been trying to express but couldn't find the right solid words.. thumbs and rate up

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To make a living for your family is a great thing, but to harm a majority of people for self profit is disgusting. To take the "fun" out of a game for your own profit is disgusting. To breach a contract designed to make the game fair is disgusting. These people are disgusting people.


/hurray
#44 Aug 18 2004 at 10:56 AM Rating: Decent
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They are violating the ToS. They are not following the Terms they agreed to. They are breaching a contract. They are cheating in a game. All to feed their family? What else can they do to feed their family?


So what! While you worry about if you are going to find a good party tonight and get the next level they are worried about making enought gil today so that they can go home and feed their family.

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I fully believe that farming and selling gil in-game harms players. This right here harms players - people who are camping profitable NMs for money! It's frustrating to compete with a person when your intentions are to have fun and their intentions are to make a living. Frankly, their intentions are not welcome in this game - the Terms of Service say so.


Hmmmm Maybe its just me but in this world i think them making money to support themselfs is WAY more important than you recreational fun.

If I knew 100% that this was the case with these guys I would help them. I hate the seeing people living is some of the situations that people are forced to live in around this world. I hope the best for them and hope they take greedy people's money.
#45 Aug 18 2004 at 10:58 AM Rating: Default
DanFitzGer wrote:

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"him: yes I have a wife and kids to feed"
Maybe this was just mistranslated, but in mainland China each family is only allowed to have 1 child.


lol didn't pay attention to plural singular since in chinese there's no kid/kids.. so yeah not sure how many kid/kids he actually has
#46 Aug 18 2004 at 11:03 AM Rating: Decent
Can I get some clarification on the ****?

Is it the s word?
#47 Aug 18 2004 at 11:08 AM Rating: Good
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So what! While you worry about if you are going to find a good party tonight and get the next level they are worried about making enought gil today so that they can go home and feed their family.

Hmmmm Maybe its just me but in this world i think them making money to support themselfs is WAY more important than you recreational fun.


There are hundreds of thousands of ways to make a living. Nobody is forcing people to run gil-making companies. Nobody is forcing people to work for them.

Do you think the people that started these companies started it thinking "Hey, I'll help all the Chinese people out there! They need jobs and this is a great idea for a job!" No ... they started it thinking "Online gil has a huge profit potential". I adamently refuse to forfeit both my own rights as a legitimate player and the legitimacy of the game itself so that these people can make illegitimate money! I can't see how you would see otherwise.

These people are making the game more difficult and less fun for you to play so they can make money. In other words, they are budening you so as to remove their own burden. And if that's not selfish enough, they are doing it illegally.

That doesn't upset you?

This isn't about the Chinese workers. This is about the people who run such companies. The Chinese workers in question are a means that the heads of such companies use to make money - nothing more.

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If I knew 100% that this was the case with these guys I would help them. I hate the seeing people living is some of the situations that people are forced to live in around this world. I hope the best for them and hope they take greedy people's money.


So I am greedy for wanting some legitimacy? I'm terribly sorry if I want to bar illegal means of profit in the interest of preserving something that I want to enjoy. I'm just a horrible rich greedy American.

There are other ways to make money. They chose one that would hurt you and me. Keep that in mind.
#48 Aug 18 2004 at 11:08 AM Rating: Decent
Can you post some screenshots of your conversation?
#49 Aug 18 2004 at 11:09 AM Rating: Default
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Just thought about something else.

I think everyone would agree that killing another human Being is wrong. This is a blaket statement just like saying "Selling Gil on line is wrong"

I think everyone would agree that killing another inocent person is wrong, just like everyone would agree that Selling Gil on line for excess profit is wrong.

I think everyone would agree that killing another person out of self defense is justified is safe to say.

Now think about this one. Selling gil on line to support oneself finantially is justified.

Please don't make blanket statements people that involve moral issues unless you have thought your statement though all the way.

Do i think gil selling is wrong? It really depends. Do I care if these people are breaking the TOS? No. I'm happy for them. Am I happy for their boss that is most likly taking advantage of these people? No

There are so many sides to this people. Careful what you say.
#50 Aug 18 2004 at 11:23 AM Rating: Decent
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One quick note, I haven't read much besides the OP but last week, an LS member brought up an idea that "Wangxiang" and "Wangxianga" on the Kujata server are gil-making slaves. It made sense; they were always in Pashow or Rolanberry, they were level 50 with a THF sub (around 18 or 19), they were rank 1, and any /tells to them elicted the response "I CHINESE."
After reading this thread, I'm convinced that they work for this company.
Just so you know that this is in no way limited to the Ifrit server...
#51 Aug 18 2004 at 11:24 AM Rating: Default
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Tripple post sorry.

Edited, Wed Aug 18 12:32:49 2004 by Empyrean
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