ok.. this my 1st post here so bear with me. Im not the kind who like to post but earlier today i was so pissed that I have to post here. I'll make it as short as possible
I have been wondering why in ifrit server there are people with either a retarded or severely underleveled sub. when they level they don't give a sh*t about their job's role, do not speak english or japanese, only chinese, horrible equipment, rank 1 etc.
now before flaming me please read on first. nothing racist whatsoever.
I have ever ptied with these retards on my way to level 50 when suddenly they disappeared nowhere, so I thought they might be doing rank up or perhaps level cap items.. then when I do area search day by day ( 7 days already now), I realised these retards are here all the time and are always there whenever Im online
manday 50pld/15thf rank 1 castle birdhouse
azsx 50mnk/15thf rank 1 same place
xiaolei 50rdm/15thf same place
and I forgot who else will update later
seeing not many campers at castle oztro I decided to camp for kote there. I ptied with azsx before and all he ever said was yes, no, english no good. so Im pretty sure he doesn't speak english well.
while camping at oztroja I decided to /tell to him in jp to kill boredom and he replied with ??. so my last resort was to /tell in chinese.. and bingo he replied .. here's how the conversation goes roughly (translated to english)
him: how are you?
me: fine what about you?
him: not too good haven't met my target yet
me: ah good luck then Im sure u can do it
him: I hope so. how much boss target you?
me:..
"I was lost for a moment there.. kinda shocked.. my imagination started to run wild."
me: what do you mean? I don't understand? (pretending)
him: I said how much your boss target you?
me: target what exactly?
him: u pretending to be stupid or what? u playing the game for money rite?
me: not really
him: bs. if not for money for what? which batch u belong to?
me: no idea. hold on that means someone asked you to earn in game gil?
him: yes
me: where are you from
him: somewhere in china
me: so about that boss.. how much gil do you have to earn in a day?
him: 100K minimum
me: you do this for a living?
him: yes I have a wife and kids to feed so I hunt NM and farm till at least I have 100K Gil a day before I can take a break, else I might lose my job
me: lemme guess your boss is no other than mysuper*****.com?
him: why yes, how did you know that?
me: never mind how I knew that ( I made a wild guess actually)
him: tell me how did you know so much? which batch do you belong to?
me: nah Im not from mainland china so I don't belong to any batches whatsoever.. Im pretty sure manday and xiaolei is in the same batch as you huh? rank 1 with 15thf as sub never leave this castle..
him: yes, you are pretty smart to know this!
me: nah its pretty obvious lol
him: lol
me: so how many people are working for your boss inc yourself in this ifrit server?
him: about 5 people currently that I know of.
me: ok good luck
him: you too
forum readers seriously I don't have to say anything more about this. no jp no na camping for kote.. only these retards and me.. say whatever you want Im curious about your opinions
thank you
Edited, Sun Aug 8 12:26:41 2004 by Rosx
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Dont really have anhing to add to that other than kudos for knowing chinese japanese and english :) i have problems learning other languages.
strange..
If what he said to you was true, talk about sweat shop labor 100k is what like 20$ I'd guess he'd get about 1$ for it after what his boss takes. Not exactly gona feed the kids unless chinas econamy is more screwed up then I thought
If what he said to you was true, talk about sweat shop labor 100k is what like 20$ I'd guess he'd get about 1$ for it after what his boss takes. Not exactly gona feed the kids unless chinas econamy is more screwed up then I thought
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strange..
If what he said to you was true, talk about sweat shop labor 100k is what like 20$ I'd guess he'd get about 1$ for it after what his boss takes. Not exactly gona feed the kids unless chinas econamy is more screwed up then I thought
If what he said to you was true, talk about sweat shop labor 100k is what like 20$ I'd guess he'd get about 1$ for it after what his boss takes. Not exactly gona feed the kids unless chinas econamy is more screwed up then I thought
He probably gets about $8-9 out of it.
AFAIK, $8/day in China will support you as well as minimum wage in most states in the US (i.e. if you have a second wage-earner as well, it will).
SUPER BANNED FOR FAILING TO POST 20K IN A TIMELY MANNER
you should post a copy of this or I would like to see if admin could move this to the Suggestions forum so the developers can see this. This is a ridiculously huge problem on Cerberus - There is a whole linkshell with about 10-15 people with Cn at the begin of their name - chinese gil sellers, and another group of people with cool in front of their name - i did /sea all cool one day there were 7 of them, all different classes level 44 rank 3 san doria. These guys as well as various others either camp davoi, castle oztroja, delkfutts tower, of zi'tah - ALL THE TIME. And its the dame thing - underlevelled subs, crap gear, do not respond to english or the translator.
And they always have a dragoon in their camping group to try to block your /targetnpc
if SE isn't going to block these people or investigate the actions of gil sellers ruining the economy and robbing the people actually playing to play there is going to be a very serious fallout.
And they always have a dragoon in their camping group to try to block your /targetnpc
if SE isn't going to block these people or investigate the actions of gil sellers ruining the economy and robbing the people actually playing to play there is going to be a very serious fallout.
I read recently that the average yearly income of the Chinese peasant class is around $250. It was in the story about the kid who committed suicide because his family couldn't get together the money to pay for his college entrance exam.
Check my thread "User Agreement". I think it will be enlightening.
EDIT : Sorry >< here's the URL
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1091983904688179698&num=0
Edited, Sun Aug 8 12:55:57 2004 by Yunchang
EDIT : Sorry >< here's the URL
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1091983904688179698&num=0
Edited, Sun Aug 8 12:55:57 2004 by Yunchang
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He probably gets about $8-9 out of it.
AFAIK, $8/day in China will support you as well as minimum wage in most states in the US (i.e. if you have a second wage-earner as well, it will).
AFAIK, $8/day in China will support you as well as minimum wage in most states in the US (i.e. if you have a second wage-earner as well, it will).
Wow. Of course, I can't say I'd blame him for doing the work. It probably does get a little boring, especially if he doesn't like these sort of games that much, but he's getting paid for a pretty easy job (if a long and boring one). Probably not a bad gig for him.
Edited, Sun Aug 8 13:02:48 2004 by qiqi
What really makes me crazy is that the chinese gil-sellers who I have to deal with on a semi-daily basis, may just be doing this to barely feed their family. Yet since I don't know this for a fact I can't help but feel an overwhelming amount of distaste for them. It would definitely explain their usual rudeness.
I do know one thing about the site you are speaking of, they do offer the option to sell your gil. So not all gil is from these people you ran into. Also I spoke with a person who works for this company, they say it's pretty laid back, they have enough people to supply gil to keep everyone happy.
Moral: Do not buy gil.
Moral: Do not buy gil.
For reference
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1091983904688179698&num=0
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1091983904688179698&num=0
Maybe you should show that to SE, Yun. Maybe it'll remind them that they made a rule against buying/selling gil.
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the selling off gill online is a rampant problem, something that cannot just be solved by removing these people- problem is if you ban the account in question the person behind the computer will get a new account and continue this practice.
the only time square CAN ban someone for this sort of practice is when he hands the gill over to you but then again the payment of the gill was already made beforehand so square has no real way of solving the matter.
suing the company wont help either as i assume most of the websites are on dummy accounts and are usually hard to track to the person who is responsible plus suing someone in china will probably be very hard
the only time square CAN ban someone for this sort of practice is when he hands the gill over to you but then again the payment of the gill was already made beforehand so square has no real way of solving the matter.
suing the company wont help either as i assume most of the websites are on dummy accounts and are usually hard to track to the person who is responsible plus suing someone in china will probably be very hard
These posts make me laugh.
Are you guys living under a rock? Do you realize that selling virtual cash has been in every single game? Why do you assume that just because people are camping a mob, they are doing it to sell GIL?
I think people are just making up B.S. now, and creating sockpuppets to try and reinforce their argument (this poster for example has 1 post ROFL).
Don't misunderstand, obviously "some" of the people are doing it for GIL to sell, but not everyone. In addition, there are NA players who do this too, there are TONS of NA players that fish BOT, think they are selling GIL? I do.... It's not limited to Asian people for christ sakes!
Now lets assume for the moment that nobody ever bought/sold GIL. Do you think there would be competition for spawns? Many farmers on 24/7? I do...
I also know guilds that share passwords to PL characters 24/7 in shifts. They don't do it for GIL, they do it to level up whatever class it is that they need in order to farm BCNM's and other things.
Any of you play EQ? Remeber when the uber guilds were blocking access to the elemental planes (by killing key mobs soon as they spawned) for months? They did this to FARM the zones and didnt want competition. Were they doing it to sell platinum? Nope! You guys arent playing with a full deck if you assume every damn camper is out there to sell GIL. Stop your crying already!
You want to blame someone? Blame Square, they designed a game with too many timesinks. Farming (countless HOURS) is required and is boring as hell. They drive people to buying GIL because nobody finds it fun to farm. And those who can't afford to buy GIL, and are too lazy to farm, come here and post these silly rumors.
Edited, Sun Aug 8 14:28:50 2004 by DaluinRizzo
Are you guys living under a rock? Do you realize that selling virtual cash has been in every single game? Why do you assume that just because people are camping a mob, they are doing it to sell GIL?
I think people are just making up B.S. now, and creating sockpuppets to try and reinforce their argument (this poster for example has 1 post ROFL).
Don't misunderstand, obviously "some" of the people are doing it for GIL to sell, but not everyone. In addition, there are NA players who do this too, there are TONS of NA players that fish BOT, think they are selling GIL? I do.... It's not limited to Asian people for christ sakes!
Now lets assume for the moment that nobody ever bought/sold GIL. Do you think there would be competition for spawns? Many farmers on 24/7? I do...
I also know guilds that share passwords to PL characters 24/7 in shifts. They don't do it for GIL, they do it to level up whatever class it is that they need in order to farm BCNM's and other things.
Any of you play EQ? Remeber when the uber guilds were blocking access to the elemental planes (by killing key mobs soon as they spawned) for months? They did this to FARM the zones and didnt want competition. Were they doing it to sell platinum? Nope! You guys arent playing with a full deck if you assume every damn camper is out there to sell GIL. Stop your crying already!
You want to blame someone? Blame Square, they designed a game with too many timesinks. Farming (countless HOURS) is required and is boring as hell. They drive people to buying GIL because nobody finds it fun to farm. And those who can't afford to buy GIL, and are too lazy to farm, come here and post these silly rumors.
Edited, Sun Aug 8 14:28:50 2004 by DaluinRizzo
heh, you're talking with someone studying this exact problem, the economics of crime.
In a rational situation, there will be gil sellers, and there will be gil buyers. People will get caught and banned, and others will go without getting caught. Eventually, the system will reach a relative equilibrium of gil sellers, based on the profit of gil selling versus the risk of being caught.
However, there are many reasons why this is not a rational situation.
1) There is no risk.
There is no risk in selling gil, because the only punishment Square Enix can offer is to ban that account. For the casual seller (read: marginal offender), this is a risk. To a business, this is not a risk, as accounts can be in steady supply, and because if the whole business is banned, they can simply move to another form of business. No punitive actions are taken against businesses.
2) There is no enforcement.
To reach an equilibrium state, SE would have to put money into enforcing the rules they have stated. However, SE has found no value in enforcing this rule, so that the perceived loss to this crime is zero, thus the rate of crimes is controlled solely by the criminals.
In a rational situation, there will be gil sellers, and there will be gil buyers. People will get caught and banned, and others will go without getting caught. Eventually, the system will reach a relative equilibrium of gil sellers, based on the profit of gil selling versus the risk of being caught.
However, there are many reasons why this is not a rational situation.
1) There is no risk.
There is no risk in selling gil, because the only punishment Square Enix can offer is to ban that account. For the casual seller (read: marginal offender), this is a risk. To a business, this is not a risk, as accounts can be in steady supply, and because if the whole business is banned, they can simply move to another form of business. No punitive actions are taken against businesses.
2) There is no enforcement.
To reach an equilibrium state, SE would have to put money into enforcing the rules they have stated. However, SE has found no value in enforcing this rule, so that the perceived loss to this crime is zero, thus the rate of crimes is controlled solely by the criminals.
Well, being an oldschool EQ player (amoung many games) I can tell you that this poster is either full of crap or the guy he spoke with lied to him.
mysupersal**.com is not chinese based. Its based right here in the good old USA. Yantis (guy who owns it) 1st started selling platinum in everquest. There were many people selling EQ items & plat. mysupersal** just happen to become the most prosperous and most reconized in the EQ comunity.
Now he is simply branching out.
So unless he is employing chinese workers this is all fabricated. Either way the "big boss" is still an american guy. Who by the way has made millions of dollars from selling EQ stuff.
There are companies in China that hire chinese at extramly low pay rates to farm game money. Ask anyone that played lineage2. They were rampant in that game.
Edited, Sun Aug 8 15:29:01 2004 by OldSchoolGamer
mysupersal**.com is not chinese based. Its based right here in the good old USA. Yantis (guy who owns it) 1st started selling platinum in everquest. There were many people selling EQ items & plat. mysupersal** just happen to become the most prosperous and most reconized in the EQ comunity.
Now he is simply branching out.
So unless he is employing chinese workers this is all fabricated. Either way the "big boss" is still an american guy. Who by the way has made millions of dollars from selling EQ stuff.
There are companies in China that hire chinese at extramly low pay rates to farm game money. Ask anyone that played lineage2. They were rampant in that game.
Edited, Sun Aug 8 15:29:01 2004 by OldSchoolGamer
It makes the game a little harder, but not impossible. More and more I know of casual players who find themselves with more gil then they need (say 3 million) and decide to sell some for quick cash. I don't think any less of them, I'm actually envious, cause I could have all my armor with that gil, instead I'm here fishing, cooking and farming to get it.
If I were strapped for cash, I might resort to that too. I might, but can't say for sure cause I aint quite there yet.
If that chinese kid had the option to sell gil to get cash for his college entrance exam, mabye he would have graduated by now instead of pusing up daises. Or maybe college would have sucked and he'd ended up in the same place. Ya just never know.
If I were strapped for cash, I might resort to that too. I might, but can't say for sure cause I aint quite there yet.
If that chinese kid had the option to sell gil to get cash for his college entrance exam, mabye he would have graduated by now instead of pusing up daises. Or maybe college would have sucked and he'd ended up in the same place. Ya just never know.
I don't understand why the initial poster keeps referring to them as "these retards" when they are just people trying to make a living.
Its the beastmen! They are now selling GIL, they dont even have subjobs!
gil sellers ruin the game by speeding up the process of mudflation. I don't care if they are just trying to make a living, if they try and sell gil here they are going to have problems.
And Jonathan Yantis is the antichrist. Blame him for the whole thing. I do.
And Jonathan Yantis is the antichrist. Blame him for the whole thing. I do.
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Another thing to point out. SE is well aware of the web sites that are selling gil. Stuff like that has to be dealt with through their legal department. So reporting these people to GMs does nothing.
so, if it is the beastment that are selling gil, they can just set a bit aside each time they respawn. Thats means they have less to drop when we kill them since they are just saving it up knowing that they will respawn in a couple of minutes with more gil.
I know from experience that these beastmen are onlone 24/7. Everywhere you go, there are a bunch of them just walking around.
Since SE is resposible for providing them with the gil they are selling in the first place, I dont think anything will be done about this problem. This also explains why they never drop any items worth keeping. I bet Goblin fishers spawn with mithran rods, but they just swap it out for a yew.
This game is geared to favor NPC's and it's not fair.
hhmm.should i even hit the post button....why not, the boards are already swamped with useless posts. one more isnt going to hurt.....especially if it exposes a conspiracy
I know from experience that these beastmen are onlone 24/7. Everywhere you go, there are a bunch of them just walking around.
Since SE is resposible for providing them with the gil they are selling in the first place, I dont think anything will be done about this problem. This also explains why they never drop any items worth keeping. I bet Goblin fishers spawn with mithran rods, but they just swap it out for a yew.
This game is geared to favor NPC's and it's not fair.
hhmm.should i even hit the post button....why not, the boards are already swamped with useless posts. one more isnt going to hurt.....especially if it exposes a conspiracy
I find it funny every time I read a post that claims (or comes close to claiming) that farming mobs is the only way to make gil. Anyone who believes such needs to do more research. I can make a ton of gil on a good day and not lay a finger on a monster.
I also chuckle to myself when I see people posting "Im leaving FFXI because _________" and one of the reasons is that they got bored farming mobs for gil. There are many effective ways (and in some cases, more entertaining) ways of getting money. All you have to do is look a little harder.
I also chuckle to myself when I see people posting "Im leaving FFXI because _________" and one of the reasons is that they got bored farming mobs for gil. There are many effective ways (and in some cases, more entertaining) ways of getting money. All you have to do is look a little harder.
crafting you mean? fishing? why not tell those dudes about it :)
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Now he is simply branching out.
So unless he is employing chinese workers this is all fabricated. Either way the "big boss" is still an american guy. Who by the way has made millions of dollars from selling EQ stuff.
So unless he is employing chinese workers this is all fabricated. Either way the "big boss" is still an american guy. Who by the way has made millions of dollars from selling EQ stuff.
1)azsx doesn't respond to english, translator or jp. only responded when I used chinese so he must be a chinese.
2) he admitted he's from mainland china, working for mysuper** so unless he lied about it which I don't see why.
3)
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Once we have picked up your gil at the Mog house, we will send you a Paypal payment (our rating is over 20,000) or we can send you a corporate check from our US or Hong Kong offices, whichever you prefer (checks can be in US Dollars, or Hong Kong dollars)
this is a quote from super** site.. ever wondered why US or hong kong offices? +)
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mysupersal**.com is not chinese based. Its based right here in the good old USA. Yantis (guy who owns it) 1st started selling platinum in everquest. There were many people selling EQ items & plat. mysupersal** just happen to become the most prosperous and most reconized in the EQ comunity.
Now he is simply branching out.
So unless he is employing chinese workers this is all fabricated. Either way the "big boss" is still an american guy. Who by the way has made millions of dollars from selling EQ stuff.
There are companies in China that hire chinese at extramly low pay rates to farm game money. Ask anyone that played lineage2. They were rampant in that game.
Now he is simply branching out.
So unless he is employing chinese workers this is all fabricated. Either way the "big boss" is still an american guy. Who by the way has made millions of dollars from selling EQ stuff.
There are companies in China that hire chinese at extramly low pay rates to farm game money. Ask anyone that played lineage2. They were rampant in that game.
January 22, 2004 11:12 AM US Eastern Timezone
Virtual Currency Pioneers to Join Forces; Internet Gaming Entertainment Ltd. Acquires Yantis Enterprises, Inc
BOCA RATON, Fla.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Jan. 22, 2004--Internet Gaming Entertainment, Ltd. ("IGE") (www.cannotlinkto), the worldwide leader in the market for buying and selling virtual property used in multiplayer online games, announced today that it has agreed to acquire substantially all of the assets of Yantis Enterprises, Inc. (www.cannotlinkto).
The deal involves both cash and equity in IGE's parent company, IGE U.S. LLC ("IGE U.S."), headquartered in Boca Raton, Florida, according to Randy Maslow, Senior Vice President and General Counsel of IGE U.S.
Massively multiplayer online role-playing games ("MMORPGs") like EverQuest and Ultima Online are filled with virtual property -- things like magic weapons, houses, in-game currency, and characters that are bought and sold on auction exchanges, with thousands of dollars trading hands every day. The total trade volume for virtual property is estimated by Professor Edward Castronova, professor of economics at Cal-State Fullerton, to exceed $400m annually, with an undetermined portion of that amount annually captured in real-world dollars by dealers in virtual currency and goods.
With more than 80 employees and thousands of suppliers, IGE is the largest provider in the world of virtual currency exchange and game-enhancement services to players of MMORPGs. The company provides 24x7x365 customer service and tech support from its state of the art operations center in Kowloon Bay, Hong Kong.
"Jonathan Yantis is an entrepreneur who blazed the trail in creating a market for the exchange of virtual currency and property," said Brock Pierce, CEO of IGE U.S. "This acquisition is a big step for both us and the virtual currency exchange market as a whole, and solidifies our position as the largest player in this market by far."
Mr. Yantis will be joining IGE U.S. as Chief Operating Officer and a member of the company's Board of Managers. The other members of the Board include Mr. Pierce, Mr. Maslow and Alan Debonneville, President of the IGE subsidiary in Hong Kong.
"This is a marriage of the two pioneers in this industry," said Jonathan Yantis. "I'm excited to be joining IGE and look forward to our future successes together."
About IGE
IGE is the worldwide leader in providing game-enhancement services to players of online massively multiplayer online role-playing games ("MMORPGs"). IGE has built an internet-based platform for the buying and selling of virtual currency and virtual goods used by players of MMORPGs. IGE is also the worldwide market leader in providing "power-leveling" services whereby players may increase the skill level of their own MMORPG characters without the investment of time usually required and without the risk of purchasing another gamer's account. IGE's services are provided from the company's state-of-the-art operations center in Kowloon Bay, Hong Kong. IGE is a wholly-owned subsidiary of IGE U.S., LLC, headquartered in Boca Raton, Florida. For more information, visit the website at http://www.cannotlinkto.
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