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#1 Jul 16 2004 at 9:39 AM Rating: Excellent
Ok, so at least once a day, I see a post or two about Everything that is going wrong in the game for people, and I think to myself, "Why?" I hear:

"I can't find ways to make gil...this suxz"
"JP Players suck...this is so unfair"
"I'm a Mnk and I can't get a party"
"I'm leaving cause I don't have 40 hours a week to apply to the game"

I just don't get it. Now I'm not past 50 yet, I've unlocked all the jobs. I don't usually have more than 100k-150k in my bank. I have cooking lvl'd to 52, and other crafts I'm slowly working on. I farm when I need to, lvl as often as I can, and always manage to have fun playing. Now why is everyone always so bummed about the way things are going for them in the game?

I'm not lucky, but I camp NM's. I don't get the drops every single time. I don't always win the race to the NM, but I do pretty often. I don't feel in any way that any JP player in this game has any more of a chance of doing as good as me. In fact...I think I can play 'better' than them because I believe that it's possible.

I don't know...maybe it's just me. But I only apply as many hours as I can to the game. I'm 24, have a family and friends, and a job that I can't ignore. Sometimes I can't play at night. Sometimes I can play for a few hours. Other days, me and my wife will sit down and play for 16-20 hours straight. It's just what's available to me. But every second I'm in game...I'm lovin it. I don't get depressed...I work for what I have, and I haven't once considered leaving the game.

Now although yes, it's a MMO. And yes...sometimes I take it a little too seriously. But I mean, come on. It's a game, and before you bought and opened the package, you knew what you were getting into. A Game, and it's just that. And it should be fun, no matter what your doing. Don't let other players get to you...there's nothing that can be done about it. Don't complain about farming, gardening, the one time you missed Hoo Mjuu...cause everyone else has done the same. Nothing is free in this game...you gotta work for it. That's the point of it. It was created to challenge the player...and isn't that the point of Games anyways? I may be wrong...but mindlessly starting a game and beating it within a 3 hour period doesn't exactly satisfy my need to play. Why play if you just wanna get to lvl 75, do everything that's to offer, and be done with it? Who knows how long FFXI will be up and running...but you better believe I'll be here the whole time. I haven't even made any plans for what I want to do when I get to lvl's 60+...because I'm doing things now for my level.

BCNM's, Garrison, Farming, Exp Leveling, Missions, Quests...all things that were created to be Fun & Challenging! If it's frustrating you...my god, I don't know what to say. It's a game...developed to entertain the player with creative challenging things. And yes...some things get tedious and repetative...so stop when you feel you need a break from it. But don't let it get to you, and drive you to a frustration that causes you to disband all the work you've already invested in the game.

Ugh...so rate me down, or flame me at will. But it just makes me a lil disheartened to see so many players so upset with something that's suppose to be so much fun.
#2 Jul 16 2004 at 9:45 AM Rating: Default
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Great post! Rate up! :)
#3 Jul 16 2004 at 9:49 AM Rating: Decent
Agreed, great game. Getting more than my moneys worth out of it. Still little funny that this is a what's wrong with what's wrong with post.
#4 Jul 16 2004 at 9:53 AM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah I actually came to this game because of what I see as the low time commitment. The minimum play time for me is 5 minutes/day to check my plants rofl, but even that I could call up my RL friend and have him log in and check if I for some reason couldn't. I had a friend recently quit the game because he was not enjoying it but he was happy after he left, because unlike so many people he realised that if he was going to feel drama/grief over stuff...he should not do those things lol.

Great post, I completely agree, would rate you up but i'm rate-locked lol. See the sig? 112 quests completed hehe, there is more to do in this game than leveling ^^
#5 Jul 16 2004 at 10:04 AM Rating: Decent
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You know what amazes me the most is the people ***-backwards attitude to everything. EVERY thing they mention that gets them depressed should make them want to play harder, and be the best person out there. Didn't get that NM? You'll show them up nextime, and watch you get the drop when they're 0:1. Want that Emperor's Hairpin, but can't find the Emperor? Hell, farm for it and wear it with pride. The whole attitude of "oh this game sux, i cant get newhere" is a crock of crap to me. It's not supposed to be work, and Ryneguy is right, you KNEW what you were getting into when you bought this game. It's not supposed to be a two week trip to the top. I hope more people read this and realize what truly makes this game the gem it is.
#6 Jul 16 2004 at 10:05 AM Rating: Decent
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Agreed 100%. I personally think everyone has an @$$-backwards opinion of how everything seems to be work, rather than competition. But that's just me.
#7 Jul 16 2004 at 10:06 AM Rating: Decent
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I have never read a post on this forum that I agree with more totally and completey, down to the last word. Well said.
#8 Jul 16 2004 at 10:07 AM Rating: Default
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I agree how hartedly. I work 40 hours a week now, and try to find time to play, and i love it. People put like 3 hours a day and complain how they cant do anything. I love the game. I cant wait to do dynamis. I cant wait to try some HNM. I cant wait to use my threaten macros on neighboring Japanese HNM campers. People complain when they dont get their way, and we are the ones they complaing to. people just have fun and if you start having problems with the game, remember that it is just a game and just take some time to make real life fun. Take three months off or something. This game has its ups and downs, i mean i froze up in front of Valkrum Emperor the other night and a RDM came from about 2 grids away and took it from me. Do i want to quit? No, i logged off and spent some time with my girlfriend. Oddly she had the words "Valkrum Emperor" floating over her head though.....
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#9 Jul 16 2004 at 10:07 AM Rating: Decent
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Double trouble.

Edited, Fri Jul 16 11:14:01 2004 by Trizzoro
#10 Jul 16 2004 at 10:09 AM Rating: Decent
Very good post indeed, rate up :)

I once considered quitting on my Warrior but now I am a Mithra Thief and I am loving it! I try to play as much as I can, while still getting on with everyday things. I am doing pretty good in the game I think, time-wise. In 3 days I have level 10 and decent armor (Look at my profile! :)) and am enjoying leveling up my clothcrafting.

I think people just get stuck in a situation and don't want to sort it out or take the time to. Example: They are level 27 and bored of the same old warrior job. They want to be a ninja, samurai or even a dragoon. They have only 3,000 gil on them and are still in Beetle armor. They don't get parties because of their crappy gear. The solution would be to just farm through it or maybe start a craft. Instead, they overeact and say they "messed up" in the game and want to quit even though they just want to start a new character, but they don't want to get through the hassle of leveling at a low level again.

Some people just say that their done with the game, and leave. But I know I would just level up a new job or go questing or crafting or farming.

Anyway, that's my two cents if anyone happens to care.
#11 Jul 16 2004 at 10:14 AM Rating: Decent
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I will chime in with everyone and agree with the original poster. A big problem with players is that they begin to view activites that are designed to be fun as something they "have" to do. How many times do you hear people say they "have" to go farm, or "have" to do a mission. If you "have" to do anything on this game...you have missed the point entirely. Stop viewing parts of the game as a chore and make it fun.
#12 Jul 16 2004 at 10:16 AM Rating: Decent
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man, and you were worried about getting flamed or rated down^^ I'm only 21war 15thf 2mnk thats right 2, i use him to bloodport and ended up lvling cos i couldn't resist hitting the bunnies. anyway, i have been farming, cooking, fishing, missioning, ecowarrioring, questing, and thats all great stuff to do. but if you really want something new. try helping out a lower level do a quest or mission. anytime i run through ghelsba or southern sandy, i send out a /shout "free help with save the children, send /tell" i've helped about 15 people do that mission, its its great. good way to make friends, plus then they admire the hell out of you! helping people is a great way to have fun in this game, i can't wait till i break 50 to really start being a mentor.
#13 Jul 16 2004 at 10:19 AM Rating: Good
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I think it's funny how people with under a 3.00 rating will say "Great Post! Rate up! ^^". I just giggle. You can't rate unless you have a karma of 3.01 or higher.

But anyway, that is a great post. I hardly ever get mad in-game, but some things I can't help, such as:

1. Having that XXX amount of gil to buy an item. You check the price history and everything was sold at the same XXX amount. You make a bid for that same amount and you get "You were unable the buy the YYY for XXX gil." Grrr. Smiley: mad

2. When people say "gils". Grrr. Smiley: mad

3. When you get a bad party or realize that day after you played that you pretty much accomplished nothing. Grrr. Smiley: mad

Those all tick me off sometimes, but it won't make me quit the game. I couldn't quit even if I wanted to. I looked in the mirror the other day and I noticed this barcode thing on my neck. I guess SE owns me now.
#14 Jul 16 2004 at 10:24 AM Rating: Good
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My guess is that people who take this a too seriously don't have much of a life to swich to when the game is off. Imagine 14 year old "UberGamer." It's summertime so he's out of school. In the basement of his parents house he sits in a folding char in his underpaints playing. He's been there for 37 hours. He fell asleep for 6 hours and when he woke up he thought he was 1337 because he even leveled up in his sleep. But now his first true dilema hits him: When did he eat last? He runs upstairs to find food but the cupboards are bare. Desprate for food he throws on some sweats and hops on his bike. The hood on his top makes him feel just like his BLM. He even has strapped a ping pong pattle to his waist, just in case it comes to melee. He makes it to the local quick "E" mart leaping from his bike. As his bike smacks in the wall of the building a few yellow feathers fall off. Rushing into the store he quickly shouts as loud as he can "{HOT DOGS} {SODA} {DO YOU HAVE IT}?" and then sits in the middle of the door way. Every 30 seconds he shouts this again. The man behind the counter looks over, says "Excuse me little boy! Please do not be shouting in my store, thank you!"
The boy explodes in rage and shouts back "STFU! NEWBASS! IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT TURN THE FILTER ON!" In reply to this remark the Man behind the counter calls the police. When the cop shows up the boy checks him and sees that he is an IT. In a panic he leaps up and starts running through the store. He snags some twinkies has he passes and a Mt. Dew. As the boy gets back to the main entrance he is attacked by the cop:

Cop hits UberGamer with nightstick
UberGamer takes 16,237 Damage
UberGamer is stunned.

Once this kid gets back home he gets on his computer and lets out a rant as to why everything sucks. Hell, after that mess wouldn't you?
#15 Jul 16 2004 at 10:26 AM Rating: Decent
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rate up grumpy^^ ha, but yea, thsoe three things you mentioned are all thigns that bug me too. gils? what the hell, and especially if it is gilz. the AH is just frustrating cos you know ten minutes ago you could have gotten in cheaper. and man have i wandered from place to place trying to find a good pt, or good place to farm and realize i've been from sandy to bastok and back on foot and done nothing^^
#16 Jul 16 2004 at 10:29 AM Rating: Decent
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word!!
#17 Jul 16 2004 at 10:34 AM Rating: Good
I have to agree, but I do have a mini rant about the game, and put yourself into my shoes for a moment.

I'm a 54MNK, and I have my own LS.

I started this LS because I felt I could be very helpful to people.

The problem with this is, Besides Leeluu the 54WHM, the highest job in the LS is 41.

I can help everyone, but I cant get any help in return.

So every time I want to EXP, AF, Mission, I have to go to Jeuno and beg for help.

I need a Bedeaux coffer key, and I need a full alliance for AF3.

First thing I have to do is go to Jeuno and spend hours begging people to go out of their way for me.

There are plenty of ways to break up farming to make it entertaining, and I love this game.

But I'm at the point where I feel like a burdon to all the other people in the game because I need so much help all the time.

I'm angry about it because I LOVE this game.

Oh, and I'm a MNK who never has a hard time finding a group, figure that one out.



But in reply to the original post, I think people complain not because they hate the game, but because they like it so much that their emotions tend to get heavily involved.
#18 Jul 16 2004 at 10:37 AM Rating: Decent
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Great Post, rate up.

What is the freaken rush? Why does everyone want to be lvl 75 in all their jobs, have all AF armor and have a zagillion gil in 3-4 months time? I mean say you do that, what do you have to look foward to? Life is more than a destination, its a journey. Enjoy the steps to getting to your goal as much as enjoying accomplishing it.

I've had the game for about two and half months and by no means am I "uber" or high level. My 1st char is 27 WHM | 18 BLM | 13 WAR | 14 THF, 2nd char is 14 MNK | 8 THF | 8 WAR, 3rd Char is 11 WAR | 4 MNK | 3 THF, cooking is at 31.1, fishing is at 11.2, smithing 1.3, clothcraft 4.1. (2nd and 3rd char started as mules, but couldn't resist playing them.) The point of all this? I'm burned out. So I'm taking a break. I have a full time job, a girlfriend and friends I like to hang out with.

I'm waiting for my posting charma to get dropped to 0.0, but I agree with you completely.


#19 Jul 16 2004 at 10:39 AM Rating: Decent
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maybe you should join my ls Sing lol. i am at 50, and i am the lowest in my ls; ; (i farm too much for gears) the highest being 68. all of us are 50ish, and we are currently doing a lot of key hunt and AF hunts. let me know if you are interested.

Edited, Fri Jul 16 11:39:26 2004 by inverse
#20 Jul 16 2004 at 10:43 AM Rating: Good
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maybe you should join my ls Sing lol. i am at 50, and i am the lowest ; ; (i farm too much for gears) the highest being 68 in the ls. most of us are 50ish, and we are currently doing a lot of key hunt and AF hunts. let me know if you are interested.


Inverse, thank you a ton, what I can offer is Myself and my LS help whenever you need it, but I cant leave the people in my LS.

I'm the reason they are not having the same problems I have.

We are currently doing SAM AF1, for 2 people, BRD AF1, and PLD AF1, and the reason this is entertaining for them (And myself) is because they dont have to "Beg" for help, it is a fun LS event.

I wouldn't want to take that fun away from them (us).

Plus I seem to get a lot of empty prommises from people saying they will help do this or that then *** out last minute.

I feel sort of stuck, but enjoy it all the same.

If I or my LS can help you in any way, we will do so, and please remember me if AF is in your future.
#21 Jul 16 2004 at 10:45 AM Rating: Good
/tear ^^

What a wonderful response ^^ You guys all rock Smiley: yippee

Keep it comin...I think ppl reading something like this will help them see that there's others just like them tearin it up and loving the game for the right reasons. FFXI = Gaming Bliss in my opinion ^^
#22 Jul 16 2004 at 11:04 AM Rating: Decent
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I can help everyone, but I cant get any help in return.

So every time I want to EXP, AF, Mission, I have to go to Jeuno and beg for help.


Welcome to my world /cry

I had to quit for a month because i didn't buy this game to beg people for help with AF and Missons. Certainly not getting any help in return really hurts at high levels (post 50+). It just makes you wonder why xxxholes gets what they want and here I am who just helped out with my (former) LS doing M7-2 and yet no one can take time to help me with Limit 3 :(

At least in this game, nice guys DO finish last!

BTW, great original post! But I just think you have not yet experience the hardship from 50-60. Endless AF parties will make you want to cry sometimes when people get their coffer key and run >_< (i'm still missing 2 AF armors because I got so tired of "asking" then turn into "begging" people for help)

#23 Jul 16 2004 at 11:17 AM Rating: Good
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BTW, great original post! But I just think you have not yet experience the hardship from 50-60


I think you missed his point.

Seems to me the point he is making is why are we complaining about a GAME? Every good game I've ever played was hard. I would expect levels 50+ to be VERY hard. The only easy experience you have is lvl 1-5. If it was easy to get to 75 would it not suck to be a brand new player and EVERYONE is wearing AF when you get there?

It's a great game that is hard to play. NOBODY is going to Cuddle you and make it easier. So stop crying.
#24 Jul 16 2004 at 11:19 AM Rating: Good
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PHOOEY...
Double post.

My bad

Edited, Fri Jul 16 13:44:49 2004 by GrumpyWookie
#25 Jul 16 2004 at 11:21 AM Rating: Decent
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Couldn't agree with your post more. If people don't like this game, well, they should read my sig, feck off elsewhere and make Vana'Diel a happier place for all :)
#26 Jul 16 2004 at 11:23 AM Rating: Good
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I think you missed his point.

Seems to me the point he is making is why are we complaining about a GAME? Every good game I've ever played was hard. I would expect levels 50+ to be VERY hard. The only easy experience you have is lvl 1-5. If it was easy to get to 75 would it not suck to be a brand new player and EVERYONE is wearing AF when you get there?

It's a great game that is hard to play. NOBODY is going to Cuddle you and make it easier. So stop crying



Was this the main point of the thread?

I thought it was:

It is a game and should be thought of as enjoyable, if you are not having fun them you are taking it too seriously.

Or something along those lines.

Now, if the origional poster had said, "Nobody is going to cuddle you and make it easier. So stop crying."

Then I would have to call him an ***, and let him know that he has no idea of how frustrating the hardships in this game can be.

But what the origional poster said was very good, and in no way did he say something that would make him look like an *** like the above quote would.
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