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#1 May 19 2004 at 2:10 PM Rating: Decent
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Last night I was waiting in a group to find a healer when some higher levels of our LS agreed to drop by and heal us as we fought. Nice of them :)

Unfortunately, our warrior was terribly inexperienced, but with 4 other melees there (13-15) and two mid 20s healers standing by (RDM and WHM) we did just fine on our first target. But then our warrior (who was NOT the puller) voked a thread leech, and not one but two leeches come bounding our way. Our healers immediately jump on one of them leaving the 5 of us (3 thieves, monk, warrior) to take the other. Only 3 of us barely survived, and one of the deaths was the mid-level WHM who came only to help us out. Truly I had no idea one bad move by a single player could be so destructive.

It got me to thinking.. is there a job where a bad player could hide without ever really being noticed? I suppose anyone who pulls badly can kill everyone, but pulling aside, what's the most benign job a bad player could be?
#2 May 19 2004 at 2:11 PM Rating: Decent
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Monk.
#3 May 19 2004 at 2:13 PM Rating: Decent
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MNK

for the most part, all you do is just hit attack and sit back and watch. whether or not you use your abilities doesn't really matter. no one will really notice. throw out a WS here and there.

it's not until later levels when you can spot a bad one.
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#4 May 19 2004 at 2:16 PM Rating: Decent
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Monk, since for a while they don't have to pay attention much to hate or MP. Around the mid-teens in the Dunes you can start to tell the difference between a good one and a bad one, though, especially when fighting Goblins.
#5 May 19 2004 at 2:18 PM Rating: Decent
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I dont know about hiding, but as a Ranger I have a bad habbit of not noticing what Red Mages are doing. Im so busy paying attention to skill chains, hate, barrage timing, food, and my next pull I have no clue what they do, lol. I love having a Red Mage around to speed up exp. but I truthfully have no understanding for their job. I have a hard enough time doing my own part :)

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#6 May 19 2004 at 2:19 PM Rating: Decent
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Alienone the Charming wrote:
Monk.


Beat me to it.

I was going to say that too.
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#7 May 19 2004 at 2:26 PM Rating: Decent
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Alienone the Charming wrote:
Monk.
Yup... it sure is Monk, anyone can 'auto-attack' and sit there and pound on a mob. That's one of the main reason I start talking Skill Chains as soon as I get in a party. I fancy myself a decent Monk and I want to let the people around me know that I have a good understanding of how things are going to work right off the bat, plus I have a strong grasp on Skill Chains. Any Monk can deal damage, but in my opinion that's not enough, in the absence of a good SAM I honestly feel it's part of my job to make sure the Skill Chains we're doing are going smoothly and doing the max damage possible.
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I agree on Monk being a easy job, but I guess there are as many Thieves than Monks, don't you think?
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#9 May 19 2004 at 2:26 PM Rating: Decent
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monk or theif
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#10 May 19 2004 at 2:28 PM Rating: Good
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You can tell a bad thief very quickly after 15.
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#11 May 19 2004 at 2:32 PM Rating: Decent
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you would be suprised how well they can hide there smarts
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#12 May 19 2004 at 2:34 PM Rating: Decent
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Also maybe White Mage; Lord knows I've seen some WHMs do some dumb things, yet the party will put up with them.

A certain WHM on Midgardsormr who shall not be named is famous within the end-game members of my linkshell for being able to blow all her MP before the party can even get to EXP Chain #1.

Edited, Wed May 19 15:36:21 2004 by ChairmanCT
#13 May 19 2004 at 2:34 PM Rating: Decent
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i meant lvl 72 theif who was askin how to use job abilites and i just sat there wondering how he got lvl 72 and still be so idiotic. then i sat in awe as he died to a not worthwhile monster.
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#14 May 19 2004 at 2:35 PM Rating: Decent
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as a rdm, i have to cast all the enfeebles at the beginning of the battle, as well as watch everyone's MP to see if refresh has worn out ot not. Also, i have to watch the log to recast any enfeebs that have worn off, watch the whm and cure/regen the pt members that he/she hasn't gotten yet, dispel the mob in case in does a special action (bubble armor crap thing) and time magic bursts. when i'm down to about 100 MP, i usually convert, a couple of Cure III's, and start the fun all over again.
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#15 May 19 2004 at 2:35 PM Rating: Good
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I think the only reason people are able to hide out as a thief is that no one really knows the type of damage a thief can do.

If you're a bad thief and you party with someone that plays a thief well... they'll probably tell you how awful you are.
#16 May 19 2004 at 2:36 PM Rating: Decent
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thf isnt an easy job later on, there is a lot more behind it, as for the easiest job, it would be to be either Monk. There really isnt anything behind that job other than constant dmg, and that comes from just using auto attack.
#17 May 19 2004 at 2:37 PM Rating: Decent
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I'd say BDR is pretty easy to hide lack of talent. I myself play one, and there's been a few times while levelling a different job that I've seen some *horrible* BRDs in parties. And yet time and again, people in the party always fall all over themselves saying how great the BRD is.
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#18 May 19 2004 at 2:37 PM Rating: Decent
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TellerNeptune wrote:
There really isnt anything behind that job other than constant dmg, and that comes from just using auto attack.

Skillchain, skillchain, skillchain. MNKs can accumulate TP pretty quickly, and oftentimes good MNKs (in the absense of samurai) will be the ones planning skillchains.
#19 May 19 2004 at 2:39 PM Rating: Decent
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I disagree that a THF is an easy job for a bad player to hide behind. From the moment a THF gets Sneak Attack, you can monitor them to see if they're doing a decent amount of damage with Sneak Attack, whether or not they're even aware of the way Sneak Attack works, and, of course, whether or not they're even USING Sneak Attack. Trust me, I have seen all three of the above, and I guess you could say that they go in order from least bothersome to most bothersome. But, if I do spot any of the above happening, I usually alert the THF about it and tell him how it works, it usually helps, but there's always the occasional n00b who refuses to listen, and that kind of a person gets promptly booted from the PT.

But, from the beginning jobs, MNK is the easiest to hide in. In the dunes, there's usually not much for a MNK to do to completely ***** up everything. This is one of the reasons I absolutely hate leveling my sub, which is MNK. There's just not much to do besides sit back and let the auto-attack do the work for you. I enjoy playing a bigger role in the PT, not sitting back and tapping my WS macro every once in awhile.

Edited, Wed May 19 15:42:51 2004 by DodoBird
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#20 May 19 2004 at 2:41 PM Rating: Decent
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later on, a MNK who knows what he/she is doing will start most fights w/ a 150-200+ chi blast.
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#21 May 19 2004 at 2:42 PM Rating: Good
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Thief is the thinking man's melee job. You actually have to plan things out, align precisely, have excellent timing, etc. A thief has so many ways to be awesome, and a bad thief is by far the easiest melee to spot in a group.
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#22 May 19 2004 at 2:43 PM Rating: Decent
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Monk is my vote for all the same stated reasons. My vote for easiest to HIDE a bad player.

Thief is not the winner here, SAnTA takes organization.

WHM, there may be a lot of bad ones, but its not hidden.

RDM WHM SMN here, i plan all the skill chains in my groups. many melee i have partied with dont initiate creating a skill chain, and even the ones that do dont pay attention to the Magic Burst. I try hard to blend what people want to use (RLB, Raging Fists etc) with what will give most MB damage (Stone2 vs Fire etc) combined with element for that day (earths day) combined with what the mob is weak to (light etc).

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#23 May 19 2004 at 2:45 PM Rating: Decent
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Monk for sure,
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Monk. I saw a lvl 9 mnk taru fighting Pygamois in Tahrongi and I was a lvl 12 thf at the time and they were coming up as Decent Challenge to me and she was winning. :(
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#25 May 19 2004 at 2:50 PM Rating: Decent
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Well, there are different types of "bad", really.

Inept: doesn't know how his/her job works, doesn't know what other people are doing -- WARs that can't provoke, THFs that stand around and never use Trick Attack, RDMs that pick their nose until people tell them what to do.

Unskilled: has a handle on what he/she's supposed to do, but doesn't have the finesse down -- BLMs that overnuke, WHMs that overcure, DRKs that overdamage

Inattentive: probably knows what he/she's doing, but is otherwise indisposed -- tanks that provoke sporadically, THFs that only use Trick Attack once in a while, PLDs that can't time Shield Bash, any melee that takes a few rounds to actually engage and walk over to the mob

Repellant: probably knows what he/she's doing, but can't work with the party for other reasons -- anyone that can't take a criticism or advice, "primadonnas"
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Well, I'm just starting my partying levels as a RNG and I don't think anyone would notice if I screwed around as long as I did a good job pulling. I miss so much I might as well not be doing anything some fights. My last party ended badly (lots of death) because our monk had to use his 2 hour and I couldn't get a provoke off in time so he died. WHAT is the deal with "Unable to use job ability", I never had that as a warrior. Stupid bow delay. And the fights I'm not missing, I'm getting all the hate. It seems that as long as the rest of the party is good and the pulling is good, a RNG can be weak in every other way.
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