Get off my train!Follow

I just had an insantely brutal experience in Eldieme Necropolis for the same reason the original poster is complaining about people picking off his train mobs.

NO COMMUNICATION!!

I've done the same thing in the Fumeroles...I see someone with 3 gobs, 5 bees, a bomb, and a lizard attacking him, and my first instinct is to try and help, so I smoke a bee. He responds by saying, "Hey @$$hole, that was mine!"

My response to that is, when I see that much chaos surrounding a person, I'm not going to tab around and check his HP or lvl to see if he's OK...if he's really in trouble, by that time, he could be dead. I'm going to help.

Had he been smart (see also: "smart" also known as "intelligent" or "not stupid") enough to /sh in the area about what exactly he was trying to do, there would have been no problem. I would have left "his" mobs alone.

If you're going to train mobs for mass kill, be "smart" enough to let others in the area know, or don't complain about them trying to help.

Quite frankly, I'm about at my wits end on account of people who don't communicate a damn thing about their intentions. It's stupid, ineffective, and counter-productive. Especially when they complain afterwards about the outcome.

I watched a 16 member alliance get slaughtered TWICE tonight trying to get to a camp spot for a quest item where last night I went with a 6 member party with no difficulty. Why? Because my six member party had not only an objective, but a plan on how to achieve that objective, and we COMMUNICATED that plan to one another. Tonight? 16 people with one person saying, "Go here". Se we tried. And we got slaughtered. Once we got formed up and ready to go again, the same thing happened. "Go here!" they said. And we got brutalized again. By the third time we all got re-grouped back together, and the same person was saying, "Go here!" while nobody was offering a logical plan on how to do so, I left the alliance, no warning, no questions asked.

Bottom line, if you don't communicate what you are doing and how you plan on doing it, don't ***** if other people make mistakes and "ruin" your (lack of communicated) plans.

I think the same principle applies here as to the follow situation: Person A is out farming, person B follows Person A killing anything that Person A might farm. This is against the terms of the EULA, and is (after some number of violations) a bannable offense. Person A is putting forth a lot of work going after those monsters, and Person B is leeching off that work and interferring with Person A's fun.

The exact same things happens when Person B takes monsters from Person A's train. Person A has done *all* the work finding and getting those monsters, and person B is leeching off A and ruining A's enjoyment of the game. I have not inquired with the GMs, but I would not be surprised if this is also an offense (at least it should be). There are plenty of zones person B can go to if he wants to farm, he doesn't have to spoil A's ability to enjoy the game.

And yes, as *EVERYONE* has agreed, this doesn't apply when Person A is taking monsters people are trying to level from. No one has denied this, so we really don't need to bring it up with every other post.

-Drachasor

If no one is disputing the fact that only an a55 would get nad about someone pulling mobs of their train because they're XP'ing off them, doesn't the point of this thread become moot?

If you're training and someone pulls a mob, rather than lash out at them FIRST, try letting them know what you're doing. The majority of the time they aren't stealing mobs, but trying to help. If they keep it up, then really, they have whatever you deem necessary coming to them. I doubt one mob is going to make or break anyone.

Yeah yeah yeah, there's an exception to every rule, there's a bad apple in every bunch, yadda yadda yadda. The majority of the time you'll run into people that are trying to help.

There's no reason why anyone should withhold attacking a monster they need for whatever reason. The fact that someone else may be training it is irrelevant.

As a a lvl50 blm, I have avoided train farming out of politeness. This sentiment includes the other higher level farmers, and the lower level exp'ers in whatever zone I may be in. My thinking is simply that everyone can kill things one at a time, the higher levels already having the advantage of quicker kills and less downtime.

Typically it works well, but i will destroy any train that I see, no questions asked. Anyone who thinks they can take all the mobs i am farming in a particular area are mistaken. They cannot. I will take all of them at once if they force me to.

The argument that 'the mobs are the trainer's & I should get my own' is misconceived. I was getting my own when the trainer moved through the area and rounded up all the mobs. I was proceeding in getting my own by casting one of my spells on an available mob. Thanks to the trainer there were also a number of other available mobs within the aoe range. If these mobs were not available, they would not have taken damage. Simple as that.

There is no 'yours' and 'mine', only claimed and unclaimed.

The argument that 'the trainer obviously intended to kill all the mobs in his train and that therefore they are his' is also misconceived. I intend to kill all the mobs I need until my backpack is full of the required item, or i reach whatever goal i have set. Does this mean that my intentions limit the availability of mobs to other PC's? No, intention is irrelevant, availability is a question of game mechanics.

So, in my mind, the appearance of a train in the area I'm farming simply alters the speed with which I had planned to harvest the items I require. Trainers provide the opportunity for me to get what I need faster. I will never allow them to slow down my farming (by forcing me to wait for re-spawn, or re-locating to a new area) out of some misconceived notion of right-to-kill.

If I'm going to be nice everyone has to play along, we all go one at a time, killing our claimed mobs. As soon as anyone tries to train, they better move away from the man in the pointy hat.

JB



Edited, Sat May 8 08:36:09 2004 by ArchimedesBLM

Edited, Sat May 8 08:37:51 2004 by ArchimedesBLM

rate up arch! ^^

exactly as i feel, its very selfish of someone to train every single type of mob in an area, and claim that "they worked hard to get them all" (which is bull $hit, since all he had to do is get the agro of one, then run by the rest), when other people are farming the same thing in the area. Like someone said eariler, it would be alot funner for everyone if they just killed em 1 at a time, so by the time you went though the area, the ones you killed at first have respawned.

And ill have to disagree with one of the posters above. Just because they have built a huge train up, doesent mean that all those mobs are theirs. Heres the break up of the game:

Red=yours
purple=theirs
yellow=fair game

And as far as ruining someone elses "fun of the game", dudes, its a pain in the *** when you have a limited amount of time to farm (lets say an hour) and youve been doing this for the past week, cause wheather its work or school, you cant play alot. So you log in your farming area, and then when you log one time, you see some jackass train farming everything your farming. Move to another area???? time your self while you walk around vanedil, and see how much of that hour youll burn by going to a different farming zone. :P

And im pretty shure you cant get banded for taking mobs off a train, because they "were the other persons mobs", refer to my example in my first post about leaping lizzy.

^^

Based on what I posted, I can see how you might think I was being hypocritical. What you didn't know is that I had been trying to communicate to these people for over half an hour on the lunacy of what they were doing...I started communicating that to them after the first slaughter, but half an hour later they were still doing the same nonsense. The final straw for me came when one of the WHMs (and someone who had only joined us 10 minutes earlier) flat out said, "There's no way I'm sneaking all of you."

Closer to the topic of this thread, when an individual (or group of individuals) is attempting to do something, and the results consistantly (and predictably) fall short of their objective, obviously a change needs to be made. I once heard a fantastic tidbit of information:

"The working definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and over again and expecting different results." At some point, if you find yourself encountering the same difficulties (ie people yoinking mobs out of your train), prudence suggests that you find out what you can do DIFFERENTLY to alter the results. Understanding of course, that just because you work out an arrangement with someone who is willing to leave your train alone doesn't mean that's the end of it. There are a LOT of other players to deal with, so obviously solving the situation with one person is only a short-term solution.

Thus my recommendation to perhaps /sh in the area that you are putting together a train and let everyone in the area know what you are trying to accomplish. If someone still yoinks from your train, obviously they don't approve of your actions. You can butt heads for days on end, but that's not going to solve anything.

Long story short: communicate communicate communicate. After having exhausted every means at your disposal to do so, if people are still not cooperating, a decision has to be made on whether or not it's worth the aggrivation to continue doing what you are doing.

My experience, however, having seen the number of train farmers I have, is that not a single one announces their intentions to anyone. They just do what they are doing and then get all bent out of shape when someone (usually with the best of intentions) spoils their plans.

As a parting example: When I was doing my DRK quest, I did so as a lvl 30 WAR with capped great sword skill. Essentially this meant that any lvl 1 mob that came across my path was slaughtered, 9 times out of 10 in one hit. To avoid any confusion or hard feelings over running all over the lvl 1 mob areas just outside bastok slaughtering anything that came near me, I set up a macro so that every 5-10 minutes I could hit it and it would do a shout explaining what I was doing and why, and that I would be leaving as soon as I had enough kills, as well as an apology for any disruption I may have been causing. Not a single person complained to me, although a number of people DID thank me for letting them know why I was running around with a giant sword killing things they could get exp from.

The two most frustrating things about this game (for me, anyways) are people who give little or no thought to how their actions impact other players, and people who don't communicate.

Seriously, I myself will pick off a train if somebody comes by and grabs all the monsters in an area. (Or, if they're really unfortunate, they'll run right next to me when I've got enough mana for Circle Blade...)

That said, if there are mobs that are -not- in the train, I won't go for the train first. Of course, with most people with trains, they'll immediately head for that mob and add it to their train, so...

If you don't want people to take "your" mob, kill it and go on to the next one. If that doesn't work for you, don't complain when people pick a mob out of your group - if you want it for you, fight it and it alone!

What I do when someone feels like 'helping' me: (btw this is a joke ^^, I am not that mean... in fact I am lying... I do this all the time)

Someone seeking Giddeus Key for Kazham stills one of my mobs.. I walk up to him(with huge Yagudo chain barely/trying to hit me) and Warp out to the Outpost in Saru... I bet they have learned a lession >.>.

EDIT: Lieing to Lying*

Edited, Tue May 11 00:11:31 2004 by BRP

MP conservation. As a BLM/THF I can get 30-40 gil off of Quadavs in Palborough Mines. I can either use Thunder and Blizzard to kill one Quadav (67 MP) or Firaga and Aeroga to kill 10 Quadavs (128 MP). At level 30, I have 349 MP when subbing THF so that's quadruple the kills between resting if using trains with AoE. It's a HUGE time saver.

Thankfully for XPers, I Mine instead of kill Quadavs for money.