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#27 May 07 2004 at 12:55 PM Rating: Default
When someone starts stealing mobs one at a time off my train. If I have spent a long time on the train I will warn them, if they do it again I will warp or escape and they can fun dying, they wanted mobs right? If it took me no time at all I will let people have a few of them I do not care, it is only when it takes time to get them I take action.

#28 May 07 2004 at 12:58 PM Rating: Decent
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Welcome to what I like to call a healthy discussion. No major flaming. It's a topic of a lot of debate, and many people fall on both sides of the coin. At least only my first post took a hit, everyone else's karma seems to be remaining in tact.

Bravo. Smiley: tongue
#29 May 07 2004 at 12:59 PM Rating: Decent
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Alienone the Charming wrote:
Welcome to what I like to call a healthy discussion. No major flaming. It's a topic of a lot of debate, and many people fall on both sides of the coin. At least only my first post took a hit, everyone else's karma seems to be remaining in tact.

Bravo. Smiley: tongue


Didn't think that was capable of happening here.

Maybe all the bad people left and we're down to the ones that actually want to use the forums as they were intended, sharing information.
#30 May 07 2004 at 1:12 PM Rating: Default
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Once I was in Giddeus, training Yagudo for necklaces, beastcoins, etc. Well, as often happens, someone decided to 'help' me. They took one the first time, I asked them to stop, then they did it again. They used the translator, btw, so I did back, telling them not to steal.

Well, they didn't seem to appreciate this sentiment. I ended up following them around the zone, and every time they were about to engage something, I Dia'd and killed it*. About 5-10 minutes later we agreed to leave each other alone. This is the best way to handle people that feel they have a 'right' to monsters you are traning. Every zone in the game has more than enough monsters for 2 or more players, someon picking off yours is just rude, selfish, and lazy.

Now, what I was doing wasn't interferring with anyone's leveling, as Giddeus is basically never used for that. When someone needed the area I was in for a mission, I moved. I'd never go near a place people used for experience.

-Drachasor

*Probably the 'meanest' thing I have ever done in the game.

Edit: Last paragraph

Edited, Fri May 7 14:13:59 2004 by Drachasor
#31 May 07 2004 at 1:14 PM Rating: Good
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Lol.. I got the feeling to "help" a BLM in the Highlands.. he said @#%^ you.....?!?! I didnt understand, and 10 lvls later I came to a conclusion.... He was farming..


Here is a BLM techniques I often use in low level area (where I usually mine/excavate). Now, since raise/cure/protect of new players takes up MP and I don't want to waist time sitting I am using milk cows. A perfect milk cow is a low level BLM/WHM/RDM- eg. goblin weaver. I keep aspiring it until I refill my MP bar then kill it. Obviously on my level weaver cannot do anything to me at all.

So, I am running annon in Tahrongy minding my business with a yagudo scribe in tow in a field gear (lvl.1 as you probably know). All of a sudden I hear - "Call for help NOW!", 30 seconds later "Please stop running and call for help!!!" after another 30 seconds "CTRL-G, NOOB! I AM TRYING TO HELP YOU!!!". At this point I realized that it was probably directed to me ^^. Had to stop, and explain this person, that I am perfectly fine and this is my pet that I uses for MP refilling.
We both had a good laugh after this...Poor guy run half of Tahrongy trying to catch me

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#32 May 07 2004 at 1:15 PM Rating: Good
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"just rude, selfish, and lazy"

I agree... But when people farm in popular newbie zones, its "just rude, selfish, and lazy" of them too.
#33 May 07 2004 at 1:29 PM Rating: Good
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With Diaga, every mob is easier to kill for the beginer players, but only one is claimed at any given time giving the players plenty of free monsters they can kill for some easy easy exp.
Nice idea. But does this actually work? Normally the XP on a monster that is damaged is determined by the highest level that has attacked it. At least that's how it appears to work, based on what I've seen when killing pre-damaged monsters and getting very little, or no XP for them, even though they /check as Incredibly Tough to me. I know not every spell has this effect though. I've had a level 50 use Blaze Spikes, and although the monster took serious damage from the spikes, we still got full XP.

Have you checked with the lower level players to see if Diaga will ruin the XP for those who pick one off your petting zoo?
#34 May 07 2004 at 1:43 PM Rating: Decent
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Only time I got pissed off while AE farming was when a BLM -ga 3'd a train I spent a good 10 minutes making. The worst part was that he was Japanese so I couldn't even swear at him 'n stuff.

He tried to steal a 2nd train of mine but I got my AE off and killed it all just after he started his casting, so when his spell went off it hit nothin but corpses. HA!

I'm still bitter.
#35 May 07 2004 at 1:50 PM Rating: Decent
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I don't like the running around required by big trains, so I generally have at max 2-3 quadavs/lizards/whatever that I usually won't even -ga spell because using the spell requires recharging eventually, wheras if I just manually beat each mob down, HP regen takes care of any hits I take as I move around to get the next little group.

And I tend to stay up late, so most of my farm time is done in off-peak time to begin with. Not the turbo gil/hr that a lot of more efficient farmers get, but I'm in no hurry, really. As of late I farm where the rarer mobs spawn (Rams) and I'd rather not be in the middle of finishing off a bigger train and not catch sight of the bigger mob before someone else in the area snags it.
#36 May 07 2004 at 2:18 PM Rating: Decent
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No, I was just sort of testing the idea yesterday. I actually got a really big kick out of helping people with this, so the next time I do it I'll definetly find out if they do infact get the full amount of exp for not.
#37 May 07 2004 at 2:38 PM Rating: Default
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LOL.....no, but im sorry, you really have no justification in saying "stay off my mobs, i took a long time to get them"..that would be like me saying "ok guys, since i was here first, I get to kill leaping lizzy till i get the drop, then once i get it, the next person who was here can kill him"

do you really feal that normal mobs and NM's are that different? ill tell you right now, that if someone is farming the same thing i am, and i need to kill them as well, then im going to kill thoses mobs as your training them, picking them off one at a time. granted, i wont use an area attack, casue that would be really mean, but i will start killing them one at a time. I have had this happen to me, and have done it to others many a times. All you can do is just swallow it, and either try something else or leave, but if anyone EVER ******* at me for "stealing" their mobs (im at the point now where i read these forums and just laugh), then ill just /blist <t>, and continue farming.

just because you took the time to grab every mob in an area so you could get as much jank as possible, dosent make it "your mob"...until i see its name in purple, its fair game. so either deal with that, or find a nice quiet place to farm where no one will bother you. ty.


Since he had actually got the mobs i belive he sorta does have the right, well, i am at least 50% with him, I still have to come to a conclusion on it. See, if i had Jagged Eared Jack, and was a smn, and summoned carb because i was aggroed, and told carb to attack the aggro. Then JEJs name would fliker Yellow, then Red, Yellow, then Red, every time i attacked, and carb attacked, so if he was stolen id be offically pissed off.
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#38 May 07 2004 at 2:55 PM Rating: Decent
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actually, i think if you warp out b/c you got mad at some guy for taking one monster out of your train, that is like an unintentional griefing. you warped out knowing exactly the result that would happen.

as for doing the train itself..well you have to htink like a defensive driver. sure someone might hit your car and it's really their fault..but could you have avoided it, the dmg to your car, and the possible dmg to you? if you could have, then its still better for you to do so.

in the same way, if you're in zone where a person or grp might take one of your mobs, you have to put up with it..after all it's you who is there driving up a windstorm.

also specificaly about the goblins....buburimu is also available for such farming. i think that would be a better place due to the lesser population.

but it would follow the same idea if there was even just one grp there and htey picked off a goblin from your train.

#39 May 07 2004 at 3:09 PM Rating: Decent
I hate idiots who farms in normal exping places like highlands and valkurm, usually i just steal some of their mobs to **** up for them.
#40 May 07 2004 at 3:44 PM Rating: Good
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ive seen something awful.

there are 2 sides to the argument about training... and it could go on forever, but think of this... it was no ones "fault", but it happened anyway.

saw someone training large amounts of orcs around ghelsba. all the sudden, they stopped cold. according to this person, their internet went dead... but all anyone else saw was this huge train mob the person, then the person eventually disappear.

the aftermath of that kind of aggro in a newb zone is frightening. few were spared.

keep in mind, you can never totally control something that is controlling itself from far away. Smiley: grin
#41 May 07 2004 at 4:06 PM Rating: Decent
I like to train in Ghelsba, but never when there are people trying to lvl or farm for themselves. I DO play fair. Sometimes people show up when you are already in the middle of training though, and being the good samaritans that they are, they ALWAYS try to help. I'll tell them once not to help, and they still do...

So, when training in Ghelsba I find that if newer kids insist on taking my crap-orc trains I just go through the cave, pick up about 15 Neckchoppers, Stonechuckers, and Grunts and take them back to where I was training. That usually stops them from picking any off again.
#42 May 07 2004 at 4:24 PM Rating: Decent
nice! i read though all the post just now, and congrats everyone! this fourm actually makes me want to post more! no yellin at each other, no flames, i r the happy!

ok, anyway, as far as train farming goes:

do it in an area which is low in population: marshes, ruins (the deeper parts). Theres lots of good stuff there for you to get, and hardly anyones there. But trainin all the Yags, Orcs, or Quavs in an area where ppl lower lvl are densly populated is not cool, for the reason already stated above, and also:

1. Just becaues you ran past it with another of its kind chasing you will not hold more agro then a WHM healing its party. I have seen trains go really rally bad when one of the pack leaps out and striks a WHM just tring to lvl, killin em.

2. DCing, like many of you have pointed out.

3. perhaps someone is trying to do quest and the item they need drops from the mobs your training.

The point: just do it resposibly, farm in unpopulated areas, and dont be greedy. That goes for the other way around too, dont just pop off the mobs of someones train with an area cast or WS, cause thats just as bad, if not worse. Just be curtious of your neighbor. The other day, im farming yags in giddus to get thier necklacs to make copper ignots, and there was a 33 thf there, trying as well to get fame for norg. we pretty much just split them as they came, and both came out winners.

As far as ppl warping out, thats fine. At that point in the game, a smart farmer will carry a pintch of prisom powder, just in case, or have their own abilitys to get around the swarms of mobs. and if your too low lvl to take on more then one of the thing your farming, then dont steal from trains, bc if some one does do that, then you better not ***** when you die. you knew what was going to happen, and youll just have to live, er..die, with the consiquences.

I think this is the best way to go about train farming:
if you see ppl lvling, dont do it, just killem 1 at at time, if your in compation, just split em as they come; no hurt or angry fellings, and if your in a place that nobodys at, CHOO-CHOO!!:P

good post ppl!! d(^^)b
#43 May 07 2004 at 4:47 PM Rating: Decent
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I am in agreement with several others here. If you want to train mob's that fine, but don't get upset when I pull one off. It's very frustating when your level 15, trying to level by fighing mob's that are 12 to 15, and some level 60 BLM come's through and grab's every mob around. Including the one you were drawing down on with your bow. Like it was said earlier, they are fair game to everyone until it's "Claimed".

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If you upset farmer, they may decide to give up that aggro by casting warp. They generally enjoy doing this right next to the person that is cherry picking from their train.


By the way, this little trick with get your Charactor deleted by the GM's if it's reported. Found that out the hard way.

Like it or not, we all have to share. Chances are, you are still going to get more than your fair share of the mob's.
#44 May 07 2004 at 5:04 PM Rating: Decent
I found one of the most obnoxious players in FF11 training a huge quantity of monsters in West Ronfaure once; which is a bit a dubious move in itself as most new players will think that the player is in serious trouble (logically). However, on top of this, this guy was pulling monsters that people were about to attack and constantly screaming "MINE" and "LEAVE MY S**T ALONE".

I was actually helping a guy level up and got extremely frustrated by this idiot's behaviour. The breaking point came when he started stealing monsters we were quite clearly going to attack (walking up to mob, sword out in readyness to strike); so my response to this? A well placed Waterga, bringing down a large majority of the enemies. I gave the new player about 1k worth of sheepskins to sell on the AH.

I have no qualms against people training, but not if it's done in the above manner. Of course, I can't really comment on how annoying the above is, as I'm not of a high enough level to train any but the most basic monsters. ;)

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#45 May 07 2004 at 5:15 PM Rating: Good
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So then, as a community we seem basically agreed on the following:

1a. It is ok to train mobs for farming.

1b. It is not ok to do this to mobs people are using to level.

2a. It is not ok to take mobs off someone's train.

2b. It is ok to take mobs off someone's train if it is an experience area or you have permission to do so.

3. It is a bannable offense to warp out when you have a train near someone.

4. It is a very good idea to keep your train away from low levels, on the rare chance you might DC (and don't train if you are having DC isssues).

Does that about sum it up?

-Drachasor

PS. Would whoever lowered my Karma on my last post here please comment on it? Afterall, without feedback I can't improve the quality of my posts, now can I? (Btw, the only person that gave it feedback gave it more or less positive feedback).
#46 May 07 2004 at 5:34 PM Rating: Default
just adding one thing to the above post,

3c its ok to take mobs off trains if your farming same thing, and person training is being incredibly greedy, or an *** about it.

just had to add that ^^, other wise, yes, that sums it up, good forum :p
#47 May 07 2004 at 5:39 PM Rating: Decent
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Drachasor wrote:
So then, as a community we seem basically agreed on the following:

1a. It is ok to train mobs for farming.

1b. It is not ok to do this to mobs people are using to level.

2a. It is not ok to take mobs off someone's train.

2b. It is ok to take mobs off someone's train if it is an experience area or you have permission to do so.

3. It is a bannable offense to warp out when you have a train near someone.

4. It is a very good idea to keep your train away from low levels, on the rare chance you might DC (and don't train if you are having DC isssues).

Does that about sum it up?


Yeah, pretty much. Except for 2A, I believe it is okay to take mobs off someone's train no matter where it is.
#48 May 07 2004 at 5:40 PM Rating: Good
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3c its ok to take mobs off trains if your farming same thing, and person training is being incredibly greedy, or an *** about it.


I stongly disagree with this however. The person who got it originally had to work for it and you are just stealing that work. While it isn't agains the game mechanics, it isn't decent to do (as it wouldn't be decent to kill all of them but one with -ga spells).

Besides there are so many places to farm that you never need to steal like that to make money, just move to someone else in the Zone or move to another Zone. It isn't hard.

Afterall, Black Mages (as an excellent example) have a pretty bad situation with farming as it is. Sure, -ga spells are nice, but they mean we have a huge amount of downtime. This means Black Mages are the worst money-makers in the game. (White Mages can sell Teleport Spells at 36+ which prevents them from this fate). As such it is extremely discourteous to start taking mobs off a Black Mage's train.

-Drachasor

Edit: Cut quote down, added comment on Black Mages.

Edited, Fri May 7 18:42:30 2004 by Drachasor
#49 May 07 2004 at 10:58 PM Rating: Default
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I pull mobs off high level chains out of spite. I know full well that you are okay. It makes me laugh. Hell, you kids are out stealing my lower job's exp.
#50 May 07 2004 at 11:40 PM Rating: Good
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Tnadis wrote:
I pull mobs off high level chains out of spite. I know full well that you are okay. It makes me laugh. Hell, you kids are out stealing my lower job's exp.


Do you have a reading disability? We all agree that you shouldn't be farming monsters that people are using for experience. We have moved on to discussing pulling monsters from a chain when you aren't getting experience from them. There are plenty of places to farm that don't interfere with experience.

Please try to read the other posts so that you won't post a useless comment.

-Drachasor
#51 May 07 2004 at 11:52 PM Rating: Decent
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Lol.. I got the feeling to "help" a BLM in the Highlands.. he said @#%^ you.....?!?! I didnt understand, and 10 lvls later I came to a conclusion.... He was farming..   


what level was the blm? konschtat highlands? hmmmm...

Edited, Sat May 8 00:53:00 2004 by crusheromega
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