Get off my train!Follow

It's just a little pet peeve of mine that everytime I run around collecting gobs in Valkrum, I get one or two people that feel the need to "help" me. Now mind you, they're already "checked" me two or three times and it's quite apparent that I can handle my train.

Stand there in awe, check me some more, I don't care. Just leave my mobs alone! It takes time to collect all them goblins.

As Becker would say, cheers! ^

Lol.. I got the feeling to "help" a BLM in the Highlands.. he said **** you.....?!?! I didnt understand, and 10 lvls later I came to a conclusion.... He was farming..

LOL.....no, but im sorry, you really have no justification in saying "stay off my mobs, i took a long time to get them"..that would be like me saying "ok guys, since i was here first, I get to kill leaping lizzy till i get the drop, then once i get it, the next person who was here can kill him"

do you really feal that normal mobs and NM's are that different? ill tell you right now, that if someone is farming the same thing i am, and i need to kill them as well, then im going to kill thoses mobs as your training them, picking them off one at a time. granted, i wont use an area attack, casue that would be really mean, but i will start killing them one at a time. I have had this happen to me, and have done it to others many a times. All you can do is just swallow it, and either try something else or leave, but if anyone EVER ******* at me for "stealing" their mobs (im at the point now where i read these forums and just laugh), then ill just /blist <t>, and continue farming.

just because you took the time to grab every mob in an area so you could get as much jank as possible, dosent make it "your mob"...until i see its name in purple, its fair game. so either deal with that, or find a nice quiet place to farm where no one will bother you. ty.

Hmm... maybe they wanted some exp and you were taking all of their mobs.

You have to remember, The dunes is the training ground for NooBs.
They have no idea you're farming. All they see is a sh*t load of gobs behind you.

I actually had a good experience with people doing this. I was doing the making headlines quest in the outer horturu towers, and soemone pulled every mob in the tunnels up to the mahogony door. I walked up there, checked it, walked out. Everything was groovy.

it's one thing to run around and collect mobs in a zone no one XPs in. it's another thing to do it in a known XP zone.

what's the point of collecting a huge train while farming? if you are high enough to handle a train, why not just kill them as you see them? in the time it takes to form the train, 3/4 of the mobs could have been dead already.

what happens if you d/c? now you have a runaway train and some ppl might think you did it on purpose.

don't be greedy and overhunt.

Just want to throw something else into this thread for people to think about when they have decided to pick off the mobs in someone elses train.

Once a mage (or any player) has started using an AOE to dispatch the train, please do not consider those mobs "unclaimed" because only one is purple. I almost had a death in Tahrongi as a level 30 BLM when someone decided to pick off one of the Dhamels that survived my first -ga spell.

The problem? Once you hit a mob for a decent chunk of damage, they have a lot of hate against you. A lower level THF fired an arrow at one of the surviving Dhamels. This put the Dhamel in "claimed" purple status, so I could no longer attack it. That Dhamel was not going to turn around and fight the THF based on one arrow -> and the THF proceeded to give up when the Dhamel continued to chased me (I was not too far from the bubu zone point, and decided to just zone to shed the hate). So for 5 tense minutes I watched my low BLM HP drop 15-20 points at a time, while I was powerless to do much about it but run. Apparently the THF either never caught up, never tried attacking a different mob, or just plain knew what he was doing and purposefully left the Dhamel in claimed status. I was just under 40 HP when I hit the zone point.

Granted, if 2 high level players get into a competition in an area and are picking off each others trains, they are more likely to be able to quickly inflict enough damage to get the hate. Unless of course, they purposefully claim the mob and leave it alone to create that kind of difficulty for you. When it is obvious that is the intent, I suppose a GM call is the best action.

Anyway, just another thing to think about. If you are playing a low level character, and you are frusterated with someone training all the mobs you are hunting for XP, please first try to talk to them about it. I know in my case, I would have gladly moved - I don't like to farm where others are XPing, unless I know it is mobs they don't want anything to do with (such as elementals ^^)

Thanks for reading! :)

Edit: /rate up on the initial post by Alienone - it was getting low, and I think this information is worthwhile for others to see.

Edited, Fri May 7 11:18:54 2004 by Darkraistlin

I helped a LS mate with the Palborough dragon the other night as a WHM. On the way there, we see a level 30ish taru warrior getting beaten on by a couple of easy cons. But he wasn't fighting back at all. We asked if he wanted help - no response. We keep watching as his health gets lowers and finally he says - "Oops was afk, pizza just came". So I heal him up (2 cure 3s). My party (reflexively) kills the unclaimed quadav that's now beating on me and he freaks. My mistake, of course - he could have killed them both even in the red. Although loosing one easy mob when farming is not a bad trade compared to the time he would have to spend healing up. /shrug

If you're pulling trains to farm in areas that don't affect the xp of others, I really don't think it would be appropriate to cherry pick mobs off the train.

However, when there are a dozen level 10-ish players trying to xp off of the lizards and orcs in a spot like Ghelsba, and you haphazardly roll through pulling everything, that's when I take issue with it. I have no problem at all picking mobs out of your train for as long as I can follow you. I'm trying to xp and have as much right to those mobs as you do. You agro'ing them doesn't mean they're yours.

I believe not touching someone's train is a courtesy, not a right. If I wanted, I could grab every mob behind you that isn't claimed, but I don't because I know you're farming and I respect it. All I ask is that people return that respect and don't train every mob in an area where others are trying to xp.

/rant

Here's my tact on trains =

If you don't scream for help, I'm not going to bug you. Even if I can take the whole train out in one blow of Stonega.

Mainly because I feel your pain. I run around training gobs to farm sometimes and that one guy get's the urge to help me out in my time of -desperation- and need. ><

Helping out, keeping the zone safe is a very good thing. I agree.

The thing is, it is much easier for a high-level farmer who is soloing to move to another zone, or at least another area in the zone, than it is for several low-level parties to move. A single high-level player can completely ruin an area. All I'm asking is that if you are a high level, and you are going to train, have a little consideration for the lower level players.

I generally leave the trains alone as well. I've even cast Protect III and the odd cure on people who were training to give them a little help. However, if the train is getting dangerous, or is obviously causing problems for other players, or the guy buiding the train, I will gladly kill it.

The day of the PS2 launch, a few people were trying to train EVERY SINGLE ENEMY in Ronfaure. Here we have a massive influx of new level 1-5 players trying to level in Ronfaure, and there are 2 or 3 high level players gathering up every single enemy they can find because "it's fun". They weren't even killing them. Just standing there, letting the enemies attack them, denying those enemies to the low level players.

I followed them around and killed their trains repeatedly to allow the enemies to respawn for the lower level players. They finally stopped when they realized I wouldn't let them build a huge train.

If I see someone doing this in an area where there are a number of people (including me) trying to get experience, I just send a nice tell saying something along the lines of:

Are you going to be doing this for long? If so, how long do you think you will be here? I would like to know so I can log and come back later.

But, sometimes, one is not sure, even with a BLM, whether they are in trouble or farming. For instance, I died the other day as a result of a high level BLM 'training' mobs past me to the Yoghutt entrance at the top of Fort Ghelsba. Apparently he was not able to take them all ... so they came back to eat me. If I assume they are 'farming' and all will be well, it can be a tragic mistake for me.