Banishga to mass kill "too weak" - right or wrong?Follow

So I'm in Palb Mines, leveling/farming my Dragoon. I come around the corner and a WHM comes running into the middle of the room with a dozen amber/amethyst/young Quadav hot on his tail.

I get ready to go help out and start killing some with he starts spamming/shouting "Don't Help!!".

Next thing I know, he's casting Banishga and the Quads start dropping. I check his level (thru search, not check) and he's level 30 WHM. All those Quads are "too weak" to him.

So I ask him what he's doing.

He responds that he's just having fun.

So I reply back "yeah, well your fun is stealing exp from others"

Namely me, those Quads would have been an easy 200-400 exp for me. Even if hadn't been me, it's still stealing exp from the people that came there to get exp.

Same thing happened the next night, this time with a lvl 40 WHM who starts training Quads right from the entrance.

So finally I figure out why they're doing it. Farming. They're taking all the Quads they can get (that won't cause them any damage) and killing them by the dozens. Easy gil and items (since Quads are great item droppers). Both had Thief subbed.

So my question is this: Is this a socially acceptable means of farming gil?

Personally, I say no. The "too weak" critters are for lowbie's to level off of, not us higher levels to make money off of. I've killed the occasional "too weak" to get items, we've all done that, but if there are lowbies around, I leave the mobs alone.

It's pretty much determined that Powerleveling is wrong. Where does this use of banishga fall into that? Right? Wrong? Who cares? Not that big a deal?

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Edited, Feb 27th 2007 2:43pm by Drache

Exactly. That's the way I feel too.

Goes back to an incident a long time ago. I'm level 12 warrior, heading back to Bastok Mines and kill a Stone Eater. There's a lowbie nearby that checks me.

She /tells me "You're too high level, save those for the lower levels"

I respond "I'm farming for items."

She responds "Go somewhere more your level, we need these to gain experience on."

And she was right.

I'd say it's all fair game really. Sure it sucks if someone is farming mobs at a higher level, but what can ya do. If I were a WHM farming with some -ga spells and there were lower levels around I think I'd tone it down a bit and leave them a few, but I would definately not stop.

As a THF I farm in very low level areas and it makes me a good 15-20k/hour. Nowadays there aren't many low levels there, guess there will be when PS2 ships. I still won't stop, but I won't hog every single mob either.

All about balance.

You should have just asked him nicely to leave you a few, instead of telling him what to do/what he was doing was wrong. General kindness goes far.

I've never gotten yelled at by lower level players before when farming with -ga spells. Actually, I've got more emotes with cheers and claps. It's almost like putting on a show for the lower levels. Heh.

Still, I don't run around Ghelsba, round up all the orcs I can find and wax them with Firaga/Waterga/whatever-ga (I have seen some people do this) when there are groups out there hunting. I usually resort to gil farming with AOE attacks in remote areas with few people around.

--snoopj

It is ok to farm like that, but if you are leveling and they have a big train grab one. Only the mob they have targeted is there's the rest are fair game. They can tell you to leave them but can't stop you from taking them. If they have a problem with you grabbing one of the mobs on the train let them call a GM see what he has to say to them. Granted someone mass killing all the mobs in a area may slow down your leveling, but at low level I seriously doubt it.

Yea....This happen to me over the weekend, I was there trying to do the "fetich" mission (i actually wanted to FIND the items, instead of buying them from the AH) And this happend like 4 times while I was there. I'm pretty new so I wasn't sure whether to say anything or not, But it sucked away a lot of chances for me to get the drops I needed. Glad to learn that it's not normally accepted practice if lower lvl's are trying to level or do a mission/quest!

Thanks for the info!

:)

Edited, Mon Mar 1 12:18:00 2004 by RolandAseph

I have been on both ends soloing for keys for 6 hours in giddeus 2 BLM/WHM comes in and in a manner of minutes the place is clear of mobs I was like what the heck. I was I admit a little upset but the mobs respawned and I continued I think people should be considerate and farm at off peak times that is what I do.

I learned a lesson that day AOE ROCKS and now I farm as a 40 war/blm I get gil and drops, sometimes get lucky and NM gets killed hehehehehe, at a insane rate and just warp back home to sell and repeat. I enter a area and just do /sea to see how many are in the area if it is empty of peeps you better believe it is gonna be completely empty of mobs in about 30 minutes the gil per minute is insane and all will respawn and I can't ever see myself not doing it I got myself 2 Astral rings after farming like crazy with all the gil I made and have the best gear I just do it when others are not around.

I personally having been at both ends of the spectrum know what both the lowbie and the trainer are going through.

1. Trainer is doing it for a reason! He/she is most likely poor and desperate for money. And speaking from my experiences as my Whm I can sympathize. It is pretty hard for a Whm or Blm to gain gil at a good rate to keep up with the spells they need to purchase. Spells arent cheap, and a good mage needs to be up to date.

2. Lowbies need exp right? I have a few solutions. If you get upset because some super high lvl is training, you can WAIT FOR RESPAWN. Come on people, it doesnt take long. Or, go somewhere else. There are PLENTY of places for lowbies to lvl.

And if all else fails just ask the person to leave a few for you. Im sure he/she wont mind if you take a few off of the train. When I train I dont mind at all if a couple are taken off me. So...either way everyone needs something the higher lvls arent doing it to **** you off! Just be polite and it shouldnt be a problem.

keys are dropped with higher lvls mobs. Even a lvl 25 have difficulty dealing with them. And they're on the top floor. So it's very unusual some will train those. And if you see a train with 1 u need, just grab it off of them. It's fair game both ways. You can't stop them, they can't stop you. If they say something, just say you need to get an Item from them.

Saw a Galkan 5?BLM/15THF doing that in Shakrami, but he was careful to only grab bats and crawlers, things that would destroy any of the people levelling from 10-20 there, training them back to the entrance and destroying them with a series of -ga spells plus Tornado. Put on a great show and helped out by killing gobs or ghouls that aggroed on the low level people.

I don't see a big problem with it and have seen people also doing it to work on Parry/Shield/Guard. Still, people should pick their prey so as not to inconvenience other players in the area (by sucking up all the low level XP, triggering monsters AOE attacks near other people etc.)

Mouser
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when i'm farming in palborough, i try to stay on the top floor where newbies shouldn't be. if i do see a PT xping, i will make sure i leave some for them or I will hang around and grab all the links. sometimes i will ask what they are hunting and i won't kill any of those.

i will never train to a zone and i'll never tell someone to not help.

if i'm trying to get an NM to spawn, i'll just kill everything and anything.

if you feel that they are stealing your xp, grab one when he's casting -ga. the worst thing he can do is get pissed off and cancel his casting and cast Teleport or Warp.