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#1 Jan 29 2004 at 12:41 PM Rating: Decent
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I’d just gotten back from Dunes last night (leveling my PLD) and was selling things at the BM auction house.

Suddenly I get a tell from someone: "You have a second?" (Great way to start a conversation, BTW.):)

I say yes, and he asks me how long it took me to become a Paladin.

"My play time is about 10 days 5 hours, that's with 12PLD, 30WAR, 15MNK, 10THF. So it's not too bad."

I turn around and /c s the guy, he's brand spankin' new: level 1 warrior.

"Thanks, can you tell me how I get out of here to kill things?"

I was impressed that he took the time to politely ask questions. I ran him over to the guard, and showed him how to get signet. He had a few more questions; I Informed him what signet does, told him what to kill, and told him to collect the crystals in stacks and sell them at the AH. Then with protect and a couple of Mithkabobs he was on his way.
#2 Jan 29 2004 at 12:44 PM Rating: Decent
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Polite of him, and really nice of you!

Yay nice people! ;)
#3 Jan 29 2004 at 12:50 PM Rating: Decent
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I was trying to reward him for being bright and polite. If you encourage the good people then they might stick around, and the community just gets better. ;)
#4 Jan 29 2004 at 12:54 PM Rating: Decent
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Nice people make the game ... good to have a few evil roleplayers though, balances out the world

10 days 5 hrs of play time incidentally comes out to 245 hrs of playtime

approximating about 4hrs a day that comes out to roughly 61days days of playing (or about 2 months) ... which is the same amount of time i've been playing (RT)

Not a lot compared to the people that have been playing MMPORG'sbut compared to my average 60hrs (peak) to go through the previous FF's ... O.O

At least i won't need to buy any more video games for some time ^_^

Edited, Thu Jan 29 12:54:47 2004 by Levish
#5 Jan 29 2004 at 1:06 PM Rating: Decent
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Levish wrote:

At least i won't need to buy any more video games for some time ^_^



... That's what my husband thought. Since then - Morrowind Expansion, Baldur's Gate II, Dues Ex - Invisible War, and another game that I can't remember the name of, but you're some sort of avatar coming to earth before the end times (or something. ;)
#6 Jan 29 2004 at 1:07 PM Rating: Good
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Im almost afraid to talk to new people anymore. Well strike up a conversation; Ill mention something; theyll ask what that is; leads to helping them out in alot of ways; THEN the dreaded "got any gil/gear you can spare?" *shivers* Ill help anyone who has questions about the game. But do not be bugging me for the things we all have to work for.
#7 Jan 29 2004 at 1:23 PM Rating: Decent
NOTHING will ever beat the noobs that come up, and I $%@$%$ kid you not, open a trade window, and THEN send a tell saying "items plz". Like...whoa. I don't even know how to respond to that. I've had this happen 3 or 4 times.

#8 Jan 29 2004 at 1:28 PM Rating: Decent
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pharadox wrote:
NOTHING will ever beat the noobs that come up, and I $%@$%$ kid you not, open a trade window, and THEN send a tell saying "items plz". Like...whoa. I don't even know how to respond to that. I've had this happen 3 or 4 times.



Maybe they havent figured out yet that its an MMO and they think we are some kind of super smart AI in another single player version of FF :P
#9 Jan 29 2004 at 1:52 PM Rating: Default
I haven't encountered any beggars, but I've had many people ask me about the dragoon quest. As much as I like to help them, I wish I didn't. :( We don't need more dragoons. Of course, I say this now, but when I get lvl 50+, I'll probably be trolling ghelsba to help them kill the poor dragon.

EDIT: 10 days? pffff

25 days 12 hours and some change... lol I have no life. :[

Edited, Thu Jan 29 13:53:40 2004 by rrn
#10 Jan 29 2004 at 2:24 PM Rating: Decent
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Yes, they do exist. Had a 10 WHM ask me to explain how experience worked. Was very polite and honest in their question, so I had no problem spending about 15 minutes giving a basic explanation of how the system works. Then there are the d00ds and beggars that I ignore to the best of my ability. Honestly, do they really expect to get any help by being obnoxious and rude?
#11 Jan 29 2004 at 2:40 PM Rating: Decent
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rrn wrote:


EDIT: 10 days? pffff

25 days 12 hours and some change... lol I have no life. :[

[[/sm][/i]


lol 35 days 15hours and change..guess i have even less of a life :P


Valinos
42 Paladin
Shiva
#12 Jan 29 2004 at 2:44 PM Rating: Decent
I had an 8 Galka WAR with in newbie gear send me a tell this morning: "***** you". After a little chat, he tells me he is just testing out the game. Sheesh.
#13 Jan 29 2004 at 2:55 PM Rating: Default
keep being surprised that people is polite.. that means you arent.
#14 Jan 29 2004 at 3:14 PM Rating: Decent
Being surprised that people are polite is not an indicator that you're impolite. There are a huge number of newbies that are very impolite and seem to expect that since you have been playing longer than them, you owe them something.

I spent 2 hours giving 2 newbies a full tutorial of the game, including pointing out the shops, explaining (in full detail, mind you) how the AH works, showing them how and why you should get Signet, and gave them a Battle Tutorial, standing guard over them to be sure they didn't bite off more than they could chew.

Why did I do this? Because both of them were extremely polite, asking for and not demanding help, using complete sentences...

It's a sad thing, but most newbies are impolite. I wish it weren't so, but if there are any people reading this that don't have the game but plan on having it soon, most everyone will be much more willing to help you if you're polite.

As I've said before: Being polite never made anyone angry. Being a jerk, on the other hand...
#15 Jan 29 2004 at 4:06 PM Rating: Decent
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I was going back and forth from mog to AH and someone sent me a tell. They were trying to sell something.

However, they were not shouting it, spamming, or anything. They sent a tell to me specifically, as I was the right job/level for it, and some of my armor wasn't upgraded. They made it clear they had a set of a certain type of armor that they desperately needed to sell, and would sell at a deep discount. They showed me the armor and set a price, which he insisted was negotiable. I had no idea how much it was worth so I asked to check the AH. He was very nice, and waited. It was a good deal. When I went back he almost insisted he could sell for less, but I gave him everything I had on me (7 gil shy of his initial asking price). I was delighted to do business with him, and would gladly trade with him in the future.

Patience, etiquette, and complete sentences will get you far in this game.
#16 Jan 29 2004 at 4:13 PM Rating: Decent
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I do not think that many noobs are impolite, it is just that many of the ones who speak up are very rude about it. I think that the vast majority of people who are new to the game (i.e. not noobs) are either overwhelmed by the scope of the game, or are intimidated by the higher level people- so they are either afraid to ask or just do not know where to start. Then they see someone shout spamming the common areas begging or asking really dumb questions, it makes them more hesitant to ask someone for help.

I try to go out of my way to help people. Whether it is a Cure or raise, some advice, or even helping them with quests. (I spend soooo much time helping people get Kazham keys...) I just tell them to help someone down the road when they can, I believe in the whole "pay it forward" thing.

Although I would not complain if the Karma-fairy sent me a copy of Phalanx and Dispel...
#17 Jan 29 2004 at 4:26 PM Rating: Decent
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When I was brand new, running around trying to figure out how to hand in my adventure coupon (my first 'trade'), I was supremely frustrated with the logic and was unable to complete the trade. I hated to ask for help, but, after 10 minutes or so of trying to do it myself, someone happened to go by and examine me in passing so I used the name to send a (very polite/humble) tell to that person asking about how to execute the trade. She came running back happily - and spent another 10 or 15 minutes with me trying to figure out what it was I was doing wrong. We finally managed to get it working (I had not been clicking the box before I tried to select from the list). Before she left, she also gave me a pugil scale, which I tried to return (having no clue what it was for, and thinking I should be giving her something - not the other way round). I think she left because I wouldn't stop thanking her LOL. At any rate, I told her, when I 'grew up' I would like to send her something for her kindness. She said .. "when you hit level 5, send me something pretty." This elephant never forgets .. so the day I turned 5, I sent her my whole collection of fire crystals - which was all I had that I thought was 'pretty' and it was considerable (for me anyway since was still struggling for finances at that time). I will never forget her kindness and patience .. and I hope the fact I kept my promise .. small as it was .. made her smile that day too.

One day when I was barely level 4, along came a nice rdm who said .. come with me to the Horotuto Ruins and we will do your first mission. I was taken aback, having read that I should be much older than I was to attempt that. He took me all the way there, protected me, instructed me and ensured I stayed alive and completed the mission. I thought that was so sweet of him, and thanked him profusely. He called on me one day to try to help keep him safe while he hit an elusive level. I managed to get him killed unfortunately .. but I will keep helping him if he ever needs it for probably many levels to come.

The other day, I was lying face down in the dirt in the Horototu Ruins, after having tried for about the 10th time to reach the mahogany door, thinking about the long run back. Before I could hit the Return to Home Point button .. along came a nice Japanese player who asked if I needed a raise (before I could even respond because I realized she was Japanese and was fumbling through the translator for a really polite thing to say - not just Yes .. where IS the Please button anyway?). She raised me, sat there with me for about 10 minutes, offered to take me to the door (I refused - I wanted to get there myself even if it took another level worth of trying), and left me with a melon pie when I handed her 500 gil. I had no idea it was worth practically all the money I had given her. I am now addicted to melon pie (darn her anwyay LOL), but, if I grow ingredients she needs for her high level crafts .. believe me, I will ask her if she needs them before I will sell them.

The above stories are my 'feel good' .. 'people are wonderful' stories .. the ones that made me feel welcome in FFXI and have kept me there. When people are polite .. magic can happen .. and it is white magic. :)

#18 Jan 29 2004 at 5:20 PM Rating: Decent
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^^ warm fuzzies ;)

i have a little starry-eyed schoolgirl crush on a lvl 70 something (he was /anon) Japanese player who helped me once.. i was lost in the maze that is Castle Oztroja (trying to do the Rank 5 Mission) and stumbled into a secret room where he was camping a NM. i'd been running around trying to find my destination (no map) for well over an hour, Sneak/Invis'ing myself constantly, so i sent him a /tell to see if he could point me in the right direction. before he answered, another JP player (lvl 70+) enters the secret room, the JP player i was /telling stands up, the second JP player /bows courteously and leaves (now, how many American players will leave a NM camp because someone else is already there). so i send a /tell saying (via translator) "i'm sorry.. Notorious Monster camp?" and he says yes. i wave farewell and move along.. and the guy follows me. i thanked him profusely (of course) as he led me around for well over an hour.. turns out he didn't even know how to get to where i was trying to go; he was /telling a friend of his who, in turn, was /telling him how to get through the maze the entire time. so two people took over an hour out of their playtime to help a silly 28 WHM finish a mission. never could have done it without the help, ever. no way.. i aggrod a few IT things here and there because my buffs wore off before i could get to a safe place.. he wiped them out and then actually *thanked me* for *healing* him. O_o

lemme mention, Penta Thrust is IMPRESSIVE.

so yeah, there are really cool, really nice people out there. Skyworker ^^.. what a nice guy.

back on topic.. after that loooong story, i'm sure no-one is still reading (sorry), but i do kinda wish we could make some sort of constructive thread for newbies on what not to do in a party. the constructive part will probably never happen.. but it's a wish ;D

atherisch
40 blm / 28 whm / 15 pal / 7 thf / 6 war / 5 mnk
#19 Jan 29 2004 at 5:31 PM Rating: Good
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"Thanks, can you tell me how I get out of here to kill things?"


Reminds me of a time.....

A new player is standing near the conquest guard staring at the zoneline in San D'Oria...

Player: /shout how do I leave town?
Player: /shout can someone help me go outside?
/tell Player>> Press forward
I see him zone
Player tells you>> wow thanks man. Does that work everytime I press forward?
/tell Player>> ..well, it does if you are standing in front of the zoneline ^^
Not 5 minutes later in W. Ronfure
Player: /shout how do I get back into town?


And when i do try to help people....

In Jeuno…
Player: /shout can anyone take me to nog?
Player: /shout can anyone take me to nog, will pay.
Repeat once every 10 seconds
/tell Player>> Just a heads up, its called Norg, not nog ^^
Player tells you>> STFU noob, im going to be a ninja



Edited, Thu Jan 29 17:33:18 2004 by Jowaa
#20 Jan 29 2004 at 6:33 PM Rating: Decent
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Polite newbies are very nice to come across. But in my opinion polite advanced players really make the game that much more enjoyable and also impolite advanced players can ruin a whole day of playing.

Here's a recent example...
I was a lvl 19 warrior/ 9 thief. I was running throught Vhalkum Dumes to return to Windhurst for crafting work. I recieved a tell asking if I wanted to join a party. I tend to always accept because making friends in parties early IMHO makes later experiences more fun with trusted allies. Anywho I joined this party and we began to discuss where to fight. This went of for several minutes and then finally 1 person demanded everyone come meet him deep in the dunes to fight gobs. As we departed towards this person our party was all broken up and not running together (which isnt always a bad thing). I was aggroed by a goblin and informed the others. They said to bring it to them , which I did attempt to do. PROBLEM: These guys were 2 map points away!!! By the time I reached them, I had like 60 HP and was desperate for a heal. I was not cured and everyone zoned after I went down. (Keep in mind that dying is all part of the game and I wasnt too upset, until....). The guy that demanded everyone to come over to him began to insult me and make fun of me to other members of the party.

That isnt the way you party with people. As a warrior if any mages die and were not casting like crazy, I feel partly responsible or even completely responsible and the first thing I do is start looking for a WHM or RDM. The last thing I would ever do is insult a party member, especially if I could have helped them and didn't. I returned to my home point and logged out for the night. What burns me is advanced players running around and calling everyone newbies. The point is that at one point we are were newbies.

The following day I grouped with an awesome party that communicated and tried to just have fun. My love for this game immediately returned and has remained so far.

Reading posts like these makes me happy to know that kind people do exist still. I help when asked and even when not and after hearing what you guys have written, I will stay true to that way of thinking.
#21 Jan 29 2004 at 8:23 PM Rating: Decent
Now I know that this isn't to much on topic with newbie stuff, but I guess it does when it comes to advanced jobs. I'm a bit of a completionist and I was waiting for my friends to catch up to my level and was in the mood to get all the advanced jobs. So I was trying to do the Samurai quest and was waiting in Konschtat Highlands politely sending tells asking for help with the NM there for the Bomb Steel. After not having any luck for almost an hour and neither my LS nor people on my friends list could help me out I send my last tell to someone passing through to see if they could help me out. Lo and behold this 55MNK/THF sends me back a /tell saying that he would. So he comes to my location and helps me defeat the NM and aquire the item. Thanking him profusely I pushed my luck and asked him if he would be so kind and help me with the rest of the quest. He agrees and we jump on chocobos and head to Zi'tah Sanctuary. When we get there another member joins up and we head to the location of tree for the quest. Then it happens, my noobness comes out, turns out that I do not have a hatchet needed for the quest, DOH!!. Well what does this Japanese character do? He says wait here, turns on flee and runs all the way to Mhuara and picks up a hatchet for me. Needless to say I was very appreciative that this Japanese player not only helped me with the quest but had the patience to run and get an item that I had forgetten. After spending the next 5 minutes thanking him in every way available, with the translator and some japanese phrases, I set off and completed that quest.

Now that I have all the advanced jobs, I have committed myslef to help as many players with theirs. If you are on the Carbuncle server and need help with and advanced job, send me a tell and I'll help you out if I am able. I also belive in the concept of "Pay it forward".
#22 Jan 29 2004 at 8:47 PM Rating: Decent
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Quote:
In Jeuno…
Player: /shout can anyone take me to nog?
Player: /shout can anyone take me to nog, will pay.
Repeat once every 10 seconds
/tell Player>> Just a heads up, its called Norg, not nog ^^
Player tells you>> STFU noob, im going to be a ninja


LMFAO!

Noob story:
I built a party last night, an almost perfect XP group, but one of the guys (a vanila warrior) starts things off by saying: "I've been level 12 for 2 months! Keep getting gay groups and I die... so I can't level."

My warning indicator immediately fires up a red flag, but I tell him: "That will change tonight."

He replies with something really smarmy like: "Whao, you're pretty optimistic. :P"

One of my guilders retorts: "No, he's just right." LOL

Anyway, he wants to pull, so I let him go out to start things off. On his very first pull he comes back with an IT lizard and an IT Goblin in tow. 0.0

I voke the goblin off him and tell the PT to work on killing the lizard. I then proceed to kite the Goblin around the zone, running him through trees so he can't get a hit on me. They take care of the lizard, and have enough mp, so I lead the goblin back to the group. I have to tell the guy 4 times to stop looking for pulls and get back to the group. He finally listens, and we ultimately kill the goblin.

I ban the guy from puller duty and we finish up the XP chain, getting over 1200xp; the dumb guy levels.

Anyway, long story short: I had to keep this guy in check the whole time. He wasn’t paying attention, he tries to pull a few times, he talks to his LS instead of watching the fight, I almost die a few times because he won't voke the mob off me with his full health meter (and I'm in the red, OOM). Every single time I (nicely) put the guy back into check he flips me some attitude about how he's been playing for "2 whole months." (As if spending two months at level 12 is some kind of glowing qualification of experience). The rest of the group is getting fed up with the guy, finally I have to let him know that if he doesn't like how the group is operating (he'd gained two levels by then), he can hit the road.

He obviously didn't know what he was doing, but he refused to take queues from a group full of people that had a ton more experience. :(


Edited, Fri Jan 30 11:52:27 2004 by Averoth
#23 Jan 29 2004 at 9:27 PM Rating: Decent
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I always try to help those newer then me as long as they're polite about it.

When I started out, I was so lost and scared, and I wandered through the Zeruhn Mines blindly finishing mission 1. For mission 2, I had no idea where I'd go, and I wandered around Bastok and sat next to the moogle (was a week or so before xmas) to gather my thoughts... A kind young man came by, whom I thought to be new as well, and I was as polite as can be with him. I don't like being rude, even to rude people. ^^; He offered to help me with mission 2, and ended up revealing his high level. He then helped show me where to level for my current status, and Pleveled me a bit since I had been wandering for days still on the same level and without a clue where to go, lol. He gave me gil and armor and said that he was helped by a high level Japanese player for weeks when he first started to play, and since he can't return the favor to him he wanted to do it for someone else (kinda like pay it forward ^^). After that, if I saw some polite new players, I'd do the same. Even if I was still low. I gave some gil if needed, or an extra armor I had gotten as a spoil... Of course some turned ot to be jerks and I regretted it later, but for the most part its paid off. I now know a lot of people that help me and help eachother, some lower than me, some a LOT higher than me.

And I see all the rude people being left behind still wondering why no one wants to help them or party with them. I do try to help them still, but they are just more rude about it so I excuse myself. :P
#24 Jan 30 2004 at 5:43 AM Rating: Decent
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Try explaining something to somebody and that somebody doesn't read what you are saying, instead keeps coming back with "I don't understand..what do you mean???"

Then you ask if he's reading what you are saying at all...respond: I was drinking something..sorry..
Respond back: read the chatlog then...
"How do I do that?"

After explaining how to view the log....

"how do I do that?"


I ignored him from there on and started helping out another new player at the outpost that was willing to listen and to understand without doing all kinds of other stuff and thus not reading.....
#25 Jan 30 2004 at 6:05 AM Rating: Decent
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Oy.... my goal for this weekend is to level my fishing some (from it's pathetic rank 2) and get some much needed cash.

Normally this would mean that I find a quiet part of the city, grab some insect balls and my trusty rod, with a cheap rod as a spare.... just in case... and practice my enhancement between casts.

Since I just got my Choco that has to change. Normally I do my niceness duties running between towns. Since I'm not going to do that as often I figure I need to plan to fish 3/4 of the night and then walk out the door... over to N Gusta by the bridge... and do the less profitable fishing there so that I can prot and cure the newbies as they struggle to level for the horrors of Valkurm (gah I hate Valkurm...)
#26 Jan 30 2004 at 6:43 AM Rating: Decent
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Being polite was the reason I ended up in a very nice LS on my first day and made a Lvl 27 Paladin trail me for hours, healing me while I was clubbing big thingies to death.

Since then I always try to help other ppl, even if I´m still very low in level.
What goes around, comes around ;)
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