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#1 Jan 28 2004 at 11:34 AM Rating: Default
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I have played a WHM to 30, a WAR to 28 and now a PLD to level 33. All three classes were relatively easy to level. I built my own groups, and usually had a lot of success.

When my PLD hit 32nd I left Yhoatar and headed for greener pastures. From what I have seen the next logical areas to go are Garliage, CN or E Altepa.

So I went to Jueno and did a /sea all 32-35. Found out that no one was in Altepa, there was one group mostly 35+ in CN and there were two groups around my level in Garliage. There were two people looking seeking, a 35th THF and a 34th DRG. Having no healer I decided against forming my own party and headed to Garliage instead.

On the way there I sent tells to both group leaders asking if there was room...both said no. So I soloed in Sauro for a while and picked up maybe 250xp in the hour that I waited. Eventually I got bored and entered Garliage. I got lucky and a WAR was leaving the party as I walked up. They invited me, but once I got in the party I found that the highest level was 37...so there was a 5 level spread.

The party was mediocre, but after a few hours I did get to level 33. It was a little frustratring, but I figured I could deal with it if things improved later.

They haven't. They have gotten worse. Every night after it has taken me two hours to get into a group. Then the group has to wait to find a healer, or another damage dealer, or a THF...

We finally get to where we are hunting at the end of hour three, and start pulling. I find myself dying a lot as the tank because the triple bats in Garliage use Jetstream, and even though I ask and ask the puller keeps bringing them.

So here I am a week later still at 33rd. I cannot find a good group to save my life, and since there are a grand total of about 30 people in my level range I can't be too picky about groups.

I am really frustrated and not sure what to do. I could play yet another job up to 30th, but then I am in the same dilemma. I could play my WHM to 33rd so that I can pick either to play, but that seems like a whole lot more work for a job I would rather not play.

I see NA people have reached 60th level already. What is your secret? How did you make it through the 30s without going insane or quitting? Any advice for me on what I can do to improve things?

I use food, have up to date armor and no how to keep agro. I am fairly polite, and feel I am a decent team player...
#2 Jan 28 2004 at 11:39 AM Rating: Default
Most 50+ are in LS's that level together so they always have a pt.
#3 Jan 28 2004 at 11:40 AM Rating: Default
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Just bad luck dude. I recently went into Garliage at 33 as well (WAR/MNK) and the first night got 6K xp in a little under 3 hours. Perhaps I've been lucky, but most of my groups there have been pretty good. Though it is definitely not a place for a bad group and pulling can be a challenge to say the least.
#4 Jan 28 2004 at 11:43 AM Rating: Default
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I have 2 LS members that are lvl 50...and a few at lvl 40. I'm currently at lvl 32 and I'm desperately trying to catch up to them so I'll always have a party.

That's really it...you have to find a reliable bunch of people in your LS.
#5 Jan 28 2004 at 11:56 AM Rating: Default
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yeah...just luck =(. I "met" a few high level Japanese players when I started playing. I was really nice and curteous to them so they helped me a lot. I also gave them rare and expensive items from time to time as well. In turn, they usually pt with me using a lower level jobs. I also have an LS with a few RL friends as well so that really helped.

Another thing you should do is try to add people you pt with before to your friends list (make sure you add "good" players HAHAHA). This will help you A LOT in the future. Maybe a buddy who was a WAR before is using a WHM now. I pt with a guy who was a WAR before level 30. I helped him with the first parts of the DRG quest and finished it with help from my high level Japanese friend....now he's a WHM at the same level as my DRG. We never have a problem finding a pt since we already have a healer in the pt.
#6 Jan 28 2004 at 12:01 PM Rating: Default
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I just hit 37... and let me tell you... I found 33-36 to be rough... Batallia and such were too easy, but Crawler's Nest was very rough with good exp but TONS of down time.

Maybe its just that we were so spoiled with Mandragoras in Yhoator Jungle.. I don't know.

I got through it by hanging out in Eldieme Necropolis (through the zone in the Bunker in Batallia). We hung out just inside and pulled Gazers and were able to chain them for 150-200 exp per kill... Unfortunately, this abruptly ended when one person hit level 38, and we had to go back to the crawler's nest. The crawler's nest is MUCH easier now though.
#7 Jan 28 2004 at 12:04 PM Rating: Default
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And a good bit of that problem is that there are far too many melee, and not enough mages. I get tells when I'm already in a group asking me to join another group. I get tells when I'm in one of the main countries to go join a group. It's really kind of annoying. If I'm looking to hunt, I'll have my seek flag on. If not, let me quest in peace, damn you! If I don't spend time questing / farming I won't be useful to you anymore, since I'll be level 50 with no spells because I can't afford them.
#8 Jan 28 2004 at 12:06 PM Rating: Default
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Also, beware of the /sea all 32-34.. Chances are your search got truncated. Try to search in a different way.. i.e. each area separately or each level separately.

A good friends list and of course a good linkshell are key. I'm noticing it's much harder now to just "wander" into a group like we could in the dunes and qufim. Grouping in Jeuno and then heading out seems to be the way to go.
#9 Jan 28 2004 at 12:26 PM Rating: Default
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leveling 30-40 i could wait upwards of 3 hours for a pt.

my friends in the 50 range can wait even longer. it sucks, but thats how it is. It doesnt really ever get better.
#10 Jan 28 2004 at 1:11 PM Rating: Default
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I get tells when I'm already in a group asking me to join another group. I get tells when I'm in one of the main countries to go join a group. It's really kind of annoying. If I'm looking to hunt, I'll have my seek flag on.


I'm in the same boat with my Blm. Even while just running around during the day I'll get a lot of tells asking if I want to party. I only know of one other Blm in my level range right now, so I know that I'm a fairly rare commodity on my server. The only downside is now it's quite hard to find a party because everyone is doing their Genkai I quests right now and NOBODY in the world wants to help killing Liches.

As far as leveling 30-40, I was playing w/ my girlfriend and we were gaining 2-3 levels a night and played for 4 nights one week and made it all the way through our 30's. I've always has a Whm to play alongside thankfully (my GF) and she has a Blm to play with too. We are always recruiting people to our LS, and have a lot of people who have 2-3 LS's, but they come to ours because we have a lot of fun. I'd say we have 5-7 people in the 47-50 range right now, so we can pretty much always make a party if we put up an lsmes. We even have an awesome class spread as well. Whm, Blm, Pal, Drk, 3 x Sam, Brd. A pretty decent LS. :)
#11 Jan 28 2004 at 1:49 PM Rating: Default
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Happy news! At least for me...

Last night I partied with a great group and went from 33nd to half way through 35th. I brought up the issue of finding good groups, and added the WHM and BRD to my friends list. We agreed to meet again tonight, and are going to try to make a static party.

Oh, and to the poster who mentioned the dangers of /sea all...here is the scary thing. There were only 32 players in my level range so the list wasn't truncated.

From what people have said it very much sounds like the best way to level up after thirty is to form a static/semi-static group. Pick up parties are a thing of the past...

I founded my own LS not long after I started playing the game, and we have about 20 members now. Unfortunately I am the highest level character, and most of the members have just recently started advanced jobs.

So hopefully the people I met last night end up being regulars...makes the game a lot easier.
#12 Jan 28 2004 at 3:40 PM Rating: Default
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Yeah that's the thing. A linkshell/friends list doesn't help if you don't have enough people there in your level range. I have a linkshell, but they're all either too high a level for me, or too low. Many people on my friends list also passed me long ago, because I went home for Christmas and they didn't (sheesh, did anyone go home?? :-P). So linkshell/friends list doesn't work for me. I really am scared about what will happen at higher levels. I realize that it sometimes takes time to get a party, but 2 hours is just rediculous! Some of us dont' have the free time to wait that long. Makes you wonder how anyone with a (real) job gains any experience at high levels. :-/
#13 Jan 28 2004 at 3:45 PM Rating: Default
Yup Yup I agree I am the same at 32 if you are not a fing whm the game can be a pain the a$$.
#14 Jan 28 2004 at 4:49 PM Rating: Default
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Yup Yup I agree I am the same at 32 if you are not a fing whm the game can be a pain the a$$.



I disagree. I go anon when I'm doing anything except partying to keep out invites. Several others in my LS have the same problems. 2 Bards and a Whm to be exact. It just goes down to that most of the people in this game want all the glory. They want a character that can do a ton of damage, or sits in the front lines, where nobody else wants to be a support character or caster. It's supply and demand of the party type. Sure you can have 80 melee characters in that level range, but only a few of them are going to be able to get into parties with every base covered. Those that are in higher demand, i.e. Whm, Blm, Brd, Rng will receive party invites very often during peak NA play times.

If you don't want to be a Whm, try out Blm, Rdm (they're loved in higher level parties) or Rng. Sure Rng is expensive, but they do tons of damage though and never have to leave their seek party flag up for long before being picked up.

For anyone wondering, these points of view are from the lvl 45-50 range, where pickup parties are nearly impossible to find without searching for quite a while. I've given up on them several times as it's just too hard to organize when others aren't on in your level range. :(
#15 Jan 28 2004 at 4:49 PM Rating: Default
What I did, and I think it works well.

1-10 Solo in the newb zone by one of the 3 major cities.
10-12 Solo in the next level zone (highlands, canyon, latheine).
12-14 Party in dunes fighting lizards.
14-15 Party in dunes fighting gobs (tink/amb/but).
15-18 Party in dunes fighting snippers/damselflies.
18-20 Party in dunes fighting pugils/gobs(leech/mug/other one).
20-22 Party in Qufim fighting land worms.
22-25 Party in Qufim fighting clippers.
25-27 Party in Yuhtunga Jungle fighting yuhtunga mandragoras.
27-29 Party in Batallia fighting tigers/gobs (path/sham/smith).
29-32 Party in Yhoator Jungle fighting yhoator mandragoras.
32-34 Party in Eastern Altepa Desert fighting beetles.
34-36 Party in Eastern Altepa Desert fighting antican fabers/beetles/dhalmels.
36-39 Party in Crawler's Nest fighting Worker Crawlers.
39-42? Party in Crawler's Nest fighting Beetles.

I'm only 39 on dragoon right now, so I can't be sure where the EXP drop off for beetles is. But eh, I guess this little chart works for others. Worked for me on Midgardsormr.
#16 Jan 28 2004 at 4:54 PM Rating: Default
What I was saying is that it is so easy to raise a mage and a pain in a$$ for anything else.
#17 Jan 28 2004 at 5:08 PM Rating: Default
im lvl 50 blm

yes, parties become much harder to find. if i really want a party ill search all . of the areas with people my level and msg all group leaders. most of the time no one has any space, but when someone leaves, they know where to look for a replacement.

what i usually do is put on my lfg flag and go and farm or quest. eventually someone will msg me. if the party is already fighting then i go to them right away. if still forming i tell them ill warp to jeuno when party is ready. then i continue with farming or questing until party is ready. you get to know most of the other players around your level when there are so few. try not to burn any bridges. if word gets out that youre bad to party with you might as well start a new account with a different name.
#18 Jan 28 2004 at 5:59 PM Rating: Decent
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Got one for yas...Linkshell

Started a linkshell with people I partied with when I was 10. The original group all chipped in 1k, and I dumped in 3k. Since I paided the most, I got to be the owner and get to choose the name and color, though it was approved by all. Everyone else who was with the original 6 got transformed into a pearlsack. Slowly, we've accumilated people. Were very picky and careful and only invite people we've played with multiple times and are trustworthy. But now, we always have a party to work with. On top of that, Our group is diversfied: 2 whm's who can both raise, no one ever has to zone. 2 blms so nuking power isn't a problem, 1 rd for debuffs, 1 war for tanking and 1 theif for pulling. That's the main group, all around 30. We also have junior members who are in their 20's who we try to help out. Were all within 2 levels of each other and if someone falls behind, one of the whm's will powerhunt with them to get them up to speed, and if someone is getting too far ahead, they'll work on their subjobs or quest til the party catches up. It's a good system, but it's a group-first, me-second mentality...and it's the only way a group can level together.

Me suggestion is that since you put parties together, look back at your friends list of all the people you partied with, or if you didn't keep a record of people you partied with, try to remember them and start making contacts. If their too young, work on your subjobs with them, build connections, relationships, not transite ones of, wham bam, thank you ma'am, but more permanet ones that will last a lifetime. Otherwise...raise a beastmaster and you'll always have someone to party with :)
#19 Jan 28 2004 at 6:06 PM Rating: Decent
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mesajar wrote:
And a good bit of that problem is that there are far too many melee, and not enough mages. I get tells when I'm already in a group asking me to join another group. I get tells when I'm in one of the main countries to go join a group. It's really kind of annoying. If I'm looking to hunt, I'll have my seek flag on. If not, let me quest in peace, damn you! If I don't spend time questing / farming I won't be useful to you anymore, since I'll be level 50 with no spells because I can't afford them.


Use the "Anonymous" Toggle, Works wonders

#20 Jan 28 2004 at 7:01 PM Rating: Default
I think the frustration you are having is going to go away.

The game has a built in incentive to stop playing your first job once you hit level 30. Which means that the supply of post 30 people is a little weak right now. My freinds who are 30+ in my LS are having the exact same problem. It has been getting better for them every day.

The majority of NA players are just now hitting 30 with thier first job (I am at 27 today and I have LOTS of friends with me or right behind me). As soon as they hit that magic level, 90% of them switch to advanced jobs and start leveling that up since that's what they are "really" going to play.

The hardcore ones, like you, are hitting 30 with thier ADV jobs and finding it hard to progress. So, they also give up and go back to lower levels to party with thier buds who are coming up slower. Thus leaving you with a vacuum at the 30+ range.

The good news is, the crowd is starting to catch up. In the next few weeks, I think the mass of NA players will start to reach 30 with thier first advanced jobs.

In the mean time, it's probably going to be a little rough for you. You are on the right track trying to form a more static party.

The other thing you may want to do, it take advantage of your relative power and farm and hit the NM like mad. By the time the masses catch up to you, you will have a major bankroll and some sweet equipment.

Personally I am going to try to get to 36 with my WHM so I can get the Teleport spells.

Good luck man! I hope for both of us, I am right about the player supply.
#21 Jan 28 2004 at 7:36 PM Rating: Default
Yeah I believe you are right about the whole average population level will soon break 30s. While that's a good thing to cheer about, on the other hand it also a bit of a scary thought. This is not directed at the people of this forums. I give people who research on the internet for game information the benefit of the doubt that you are already higher up on the ability-to-play ladder.

Just think about all those not as competent Qufim players right now. On Titan, beastman has controlled Qufim area ever since the vast majority of NAs hit 20s. What do you think are going to happen to the higher level zones once the mainstream NA hit those appropriate levels? /Goodbye Crystals. I'm about out of low level characters to crystal farm with -_-

Well, a few suggestions.

We NA players are heavily caught up in this "let's travel to the dungeon and then LFG". I know, I do it too. But if you are above the typical NA level range you will have to accept that JPN players are your better bet for finding a (good) group.

Do what they do. Kick it at Jeuno with the LFG flag up. JPN players prefer to form up groups in town and then travel out together. Grab a fishing rod. Pay 200 gils at the Ports and go in the docks at Khazam if you don't have the other Airship Pass and just fish to pass the time. It makes some steady income and helps pass the boredom of waiting for a group.

Except for one time I really wanted to get my BLM from 12 to 17 for warp I never grouped in pick-ups. Having a linkshell with dependable players that are willing to slow down to make sure everyone always have a few other players to group with is priceless. As long as you know the majority of your group are good players you can afford to take your chances with 1-2 pick-up players.

By the way, it took a ridiculous 4 nights (I only xp at night due to work) for my BLM to get from 12 to 17 in pick up groups. In a LS group 12 to 17 is one night's work (one level an hour, maybe 1 1/2-2 hours from 16 to 17 and this was with a tank-less group too two nights ago). It's well worth it to not have to xp every single day but make the groups that you go in count. Build up a solid LS, and if your LS isn't aviliable to group then don't group and go ahead of them. Work on some quests, trade skill, and what not and make some money. There's more to this game than xp.

Good luck I hope you get your levels. I'm currently just fishing and teleporting people around every day while waiting for my LS to want to xp again/level up those Bards. We put our goals on end-game BCNM encounters and such so I guess I will just be patient ; ) I blame Square-Enix for a very well made crafting system that has my LS friends sucked in it right now. All they do is cook cook cook weave weave weave sync sync sync sync sync =)

~Nall
#22 Jan 28 2004 at 7:42 PM Rating: Default
I had the same problem leveling in Qufim. But it does get better and when you find a good group then it is worth it in my opinion. I just stuck around and dont get mad, just pop in another game game, I personally pop in eith Battlefield 1942 or Call of Duty blow some stuff up then go back to see whats going onif nothing then I say hmm, Ill just have to level some other day, or instead or leveling you can wrok on a craft or farm for gil, well those are my thoughts
#23 Jan 29 2004 at 4:40 AM Rating: Default
Don't lose faith in Garliage, its either packed to the max or deserted. Sometimes putting together a group and taking over the place is great exp. Its nice not to have pull wars.
#24 Jan 29 2004 at 2:22 PM Rating: Default
The secret to finding a group, especially a pick up group in a certain area, is to start your own.

You can sit in an area with your LFP flag up for hours and not get an invite. You and the 3 other people sitting there are all in the same situation. If your classes can potentially work well together, invite them into a party. Even if you're missing a vital class in your party (ex: a WHM), join up. It's easier to be the party looking for an extra character than it is to be the character looking for a party.

Also, make use of "/sea all" and know what the different colours in the results mean. Don't bother inviting people with yellow or green names. They're already in parties. Most people who aren't /anon and have grey names don't mind a polite invite, even if they aren't LFP. Also pay attention to the Search Comments (those little Yellow / Green /Red dots beside people's names).

And even if you can't find all the people you need, a small group of unbalanced players can still get some decent XP fighting easier enemies. (Less XP, but often you can still chain a few, and with less people the XP doesn't get divided as much).

Oh, and about those Search Comments. Be sure to set them. Let people know if you are close to level, and where you want to party. If you are a melee character, let people know what weapons you can use. If you're a mage, let people know if you can cast any rare or particularly useful spells. (ie: Dispel, Teleport, etc.) Those comments can help set you apart from the next guy if a spot does open up in a group.
#25 Jan 29 2004 at 4:17 PM Rating: Default
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Seryn did you even read my post? Not trying be insulting at all, and I mean that. Just that I mentioned doing nearly all of what you suggest.

I do use /sea all. Wherever possible I form my own groups. I set my search comment as soon as I log on with my xp and other critical information. I send tells to party leaders.

Since my first post I have gone from 33 to 36th level. I met a WHM (Anora) and a BRD (Samafaah), and we agreed to make a more or less static party. So far that has alleivated the problems.

In the end though thats pretty much the only solution I can see. If you find a good group post 30 talk to them about perma grouping.
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