Opinionn. what one thinks about something; belief, judgement
Racismn. belief in innate superiority of particular race; antagonism towards members of different race based on this belief.
Racism is a very touchy subject, and was no doubt going to enter into conversations in regards to a game that supports such visible cultural diversity.
I remember when I was in high school, my school had over 80 different cultures attending. I myself am Canadian and am both french and English, though my ability to read and write french is very poor. It is an amazing experience being around people of so many cultures.
In regards to Final Fantasy XI and how racism affect the game there are many different opinions on this. I have often heard that this game is about the many different races coming togther to fight against a greater evil.This is not true.The game forces each country to compete against each other for control of regions, not unlike war.If you follow the missions for your country you will notice racism built into the story plot. Just go around San D'oria and talk to every person there, and you will find Elvaans making racist comments about the other races in the game.
Every playable race in the game has light skin colour. If I was a darked skin person and wanted to play a darked skin character I should be able to. Though I highly doubt the fact all playavle races in the game having light skin was done for a racist effect, but with all the cries of racism in the world you would have thought they would have made the game much less "white" ( though honestly I think its asian they were shooting for ).
Usualy I would be the last person to start a thread about racism but as of late on these forums it has become a growing subject.
*** is considered a racial slurr or term, yet in most countries when someone uses the word Americans ( its the way they say it ) that is a racial term.
"Wow I just had the best group ever. It was me and 5 ****. Man those **** Really know what they are doing!"
"God Damn ****...I hate em all"
In neither one of these examples was **** used a racial slurr, but simply a term to describe a race of people. It was the words used in context with "****" that determined the racism or lack of racism in each example.
The word N*gger is not an acceptable word often because it was actualy created as a term to put black people down. The word Negro though is 100% acceptable and far more proper than the word black.
Negron. member of black orig. Afr. race
N*ggern.offensNegro
Yes people will take offense at words like *** and paki, which makes no sense since they are simply short forms of their cultural title. How long before JP becomes a racial Slurr..they are not like actual racial slurrs made up to insult races such as: ****,Wop,N*gger,Cracker,and the like.
People need to learn to accept racial slurrs as funny. Yelling at racists for using them is not going to stop them. But if a race starts accepting these words and finding the truth about them ( that they are only words ) than the racists would have no need to use em. The real harm a racist does is not in the use of one word it is in the use of many words to form harmful statements, and in the actions they take.
A black person walks up to me and says, "Move out my way Cracker!", and I turn around and laughed at him and say"I am aint no cracker!!!I am a Honkee!!!"
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o_O; rascism = stupidy dark ages backward not open minded thinking.
my 5o cents :P
my 5o cents :P
ahh..the grand ability to sum anything up in a few short words lol
I am Italian and am not offended by 'wop'.
Did you know that it stands for 'WithOut Papers'?
Yeah, way back when they were comming to America, they often didn't have correct paperwork n stuff.
Edited, Sat Jan 24 16:05:37 2004 by Dasef
Did you know that it stands for 'WithOut Papers'?
Yeah, way back when they were comming to America, they often didn't have correct paperwork n stuff.
Edited, Sat Jan 24 16:05:37 2004 by Dasef
Hee ^_^ I'm Sicilian and sometimes I've noticed that, on a very small scale, racial stereotypes can be helpful. Everyone assumes I have family in the mafia, and I get a lot less hassled because of this ^_^;.
But seriously, living in Michigan, I can say from a first-had experience that pretty much any word refuring to African-Americans (Except that one) is considered rasist...I live by Detroit afterall >_<
But seriously, living in Michigan, I can say from a first-had experience that pretty much any word refuring to African-Americans (Except that one) is considered rasist...I live by Detroit afterall >_<
N*gger= what a southern drawl does the the word Negro
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But seriously, living in Michigan, I can say from a first-had experience that pretty much any word refuring to African-Americans (Except that one) is considered rasist...I live by Detroit afterall >_<
And this is odd to you? Do you like being called out of your name? I grew up in Detroit so I'm not sure how to take your statement.
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N*gger= what a southern drawl does the the word Negro
Yeah I'm sure people that use the word really mean negro, they just have a southern drawl...
I don't really understand why theres such a hate of each other, everyone is just in fear... I say anyone who's racist is a coward. Besides if you got to know someone for who they are, no matter thier appearance, you'll see how we are all alike each other, yet different in our own unique way.
My 2 gil.
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Yeah I'm sure people that use the word really mean negro, they just have a southern drawl...
No... before television taught us how to enunciate our forefathers talked much differently than modern southerners do now. I'm not 100% sure but I'm fairly sure the word didn't originate as a way to bad-mouth certain people. They had much more efficient ways of making a persons life hell than calling them names back then. The world is a much different place now than it used to be. People get their feelings hurt because they can. There is always someone ready to step up to the plate for them and say you can't do that. Just like parents groups condemning SUV manufacturers for making vehicles so big that people can't see children playing in the street.... why don't parents take responsibility and tell their children to stay out of the street??? Yeah yeah I ramble.... Fact is I don't think some words were created solely to hurl insults... I think a lot of people just want an excuse to get upset. That's the way the world works nowadays...
Pertaining to this game directly:
Racism of an in character, roleplaying type, is good. It adds conflict. This would be like saying " I hate all those friggin bastokans, not a good soul out of the lot of them"
Acceptable, as long as you do it right. There really is no such thing as a modern term "racism," in the game, just like there aren't any lawyers or other such evil-doers.
Out of character, real life racism, is bad. This is directly referring to japanese, americans, canadians, whatever, those nationalities/ethnic groups that have nothing to do with the game, in a negative generalizing manner.
You know, alot of the times, I'll have this awesome group, and a key member leaves. The only person of that class in that level range that will be looking to group will be japanese. (I'm really good with the translator) I'll tell them that we need them for a group, and list the levels and classes of everyone in the party as PROOF we have a good well built party... and still I get "Sorry no English ^^;" or something stupid like that.. It just pisses me off to no end. The person is LFG, we have a good group! It makes me suspect some form of racism every time.
Then again, there have been the OCCASSIONAL times I have gotten a japanese or two to join a party. One I had, I was talking to with his broken english, and I said he was very good with english, and he said he used a dictionary. I talked to him alot in tells, about different things, just making conversation and all, during the 6 hours or so of the group. He was really nice. At the end of the group, I put in request to add him to friend's list, and a day later he still had not accepted or anything. Its just really annoying.
Racism of an in character, roleplaying type, is good. It adds conflict. This would be like saying " I hate all those friggin bastokans, not a good soul out of the lot of them"
Acceptable, as long as you do it right. There really is no such thing as a modern term "racism," in the game, just like there aren't any lawyers or other such evil-doers.
Out of character, real life racism, is bad. This is directly referring to japanese, americans, canadians, whatever, those nationalities/ethnic groups that have nothing to do with the game, in a negative generalizing manner.
You know, alot of the times, I'll have this awesome group, and a key member leaves. The only person of that class in that level range that will be looking to group will be japanese. (I'm really good with the translator) I'll tell them that we need them for a group, and list the levels and classes of everyone in the party as PROOF we have a good well built party... and still I get "Sorry no English ^^;" or something stupid like that.. It just pisses me off to no end. The person is LFG, we have a good group! It makes me suspect some form of racism every time.
Then again, there have been the OCCASSIONAL times I have gotten a japanese or two to join a party. One I had, I was talking to with his broken english, and I said he was very good with english, and he said he used a dictionary. I talked to him alot in tells, about different things, just making conversation and all, during the 6 hours or so of the group. He was really nice. At the end of the group, I put in request to add him to friend's list, and a day later he still had not accepted or anything. Its just really annoying.
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But seriously, living in Michigan, I can say from a first-had experience that pretty much any word refuring to African-Americans (Except that one) is considered rasist...I live by Detroit afterall >_<
And this is odd to you? Do you like being called out of your name? I grew up in Detroit so I'm not sure how to take your statement.
What I meant by my statement is it is very, very hard to be politically correct today. I'm not racist in the least, but even describing an African-American as "Black" can get you called a rasist today. People seem to think, that if you're giving the description of another person, and you have to include their skin color that you're automatically rasist. Even if that person is a good friend of yours. I really can't explain myself better without seemingly contridicting myself. But all i meant from that statement, is it's very very hard to be politically correct, no matter how hard you may try.
Racism or discrimination is all about intent, and no one understands that nowadays. Some government official uses the word niggardly and civil rights groups are up in arms. Alot of what goes on today is nothing but knee jerk nonsense. I live in Detroit area as well and have some black friends at work. I make jokes and they make jokes and no one cares. Why? Because there is no malicious intent by any of us. The real problem as I see it as far as African Americans are concerned is one of leadership. Unfortunately, Afriacan American spokes people preach on and on and on about how the black man is a victom. Well if you believe you are a victom what do you think you are your whole life then? When the African American community stops listaning to individuals who are trying to blame everyone else for their problems and starts trying to tell themselves they can succeed no matter what things will improve immensly. Im sure Ill get flamed for these comments. But Im not saying that anyone is lacking or not capable. Im saying that there are cultural abnormalities that can always be fixed. And its always best that those who are holding themselves back raise themselves up.
I was gonna write a post here, but like so many got half-way through what could be a 90 page essay and thought, what is the point, so like others I deleted it.
I will summerize. I hate that they called them 'races' in the game when they are quite clearly not races. SE made species, not races. They didn't want to take on the responsibility of defining the human races and didn't want to drag the issue of human races into the game. Thus there are no 'skin-tone' races in the game, only species.
I will summerize. I hate that they called them 'races' in the game when they are quite clearly not races. SE made species, not races. They didn't want to take on the responsibility of defining the human races and didn't want to drag the issue of human races into the game. Thus there are no 'skin-tone' races in the game, only species.
The word N*gger can't even really be used as a racial slurr anymore, simply because of how freely its tossed around. Now even white people are calling other white people N*gger, N*gga, thats my N*gga. Even when I greet my linkshell friends, 80% of which I don't even know their race I say "Sup mah nougga!" The only people who find racial slurrs offensive these days are racists. This is also why the term *** shouldn't be taken as a racial slurr. "I had a party the other night, 4 members we're **** and we crushed ****." The only time words like this can be taken offensively is when they are used in an offensive matter.
As far as why there isn't any black avatars in this game, it was made by the Japanese. They don't worry about that kinda stuff in japan. They just focus on what they are trying to create, a fantasy game.
As far as why there isn't any black avatars in this game, it was made by the Japanese. They don't worry about that kinda stuff in japan. They just focus on what they are trying to create, a fantasy game.
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The word N*gger can't even really be used as a racial slurr anymore, simply because of how freely its tossed around. Now even white people are calling other white people N*gger, N*gga, thats my N*gga. Even when I greet my linkshell friends, 80% of which I don't even know their race I say "Sup mah nougga!" The only people who find racial slurrs offensive these days are racists.
You're joking right? In my opinion no one should use that term. It's born out of hate and prejudice. So since I find the term offensive I'm a racist? That makes no sense whatsoever. It's sad that people (black and white) have tried to claim this term and make it positive. There are no other words to use? Learn the history of the word then if you feel like you must use it because you have no other words in your vocab to express what you want to call someone then go ahead.
Notcoach, i agree with all that you said except for the generalization about the black community. Not all blacks agree with the 'so called black leaders'. And we don't all think we're victims. I have plenty of friends that are positive and working hard to achieve our goals in spite of racists and others that think they are victims.
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