Just some advice for our new friends...Follow

I will seek to avoid the pejoratives for our new friends as much as possible, but let me tell you a little story that happened tonight.

I was xp-ing in Valkurm tonight with a group that was really not all that great... the only 3 party members that really mattered were our RNG, our WHM, and me, the BLM (no offense to the others, but we were the only ones doing damage/taking hits/healing). So our Ranger is out pulling when all the sudden our WAR (whose provokes were largely ineffective, through no fault of his/her own) pulls an IT Snipper that had 1/3 of it's HP left. We made quick work of it b/c the ranger was attentive and b/c I had some mana left. After the battle I tried to make it KINDLY clear to the newbies (4 members of the group who didn't even have subjobs) that we have only ONE puller, and that was the ranger. The WAR was very nice about it and apologized. About 2 minutes later our newbie RDM erupts on me for telling ppl how to play the game. I told him to think about who he was talking to (I have SMN subbed which should've indicated to him that I'd been playing at least 30 lvls longer than he had) and he started swearing at me. So I left the party, and for all I know they are still trying to grind it out in Valk.

The moral of the story is this: Newbies, PLZ listen to the people who have been playing a lot longer than you have. Especially when they put smileys at the end of their comments and are trying to be constructive. We all had to learn how to play some time, and we are just trying to help you get better and avoid death as much as possible.

Moral #2: when a party member is doing 60 per nuke when you're doing 5 damage per hit, don't chase them out of your party. It's a quick way to make a mediocre party turn fairly worthless.

Moral #3: if you don't have a subjob, don't tell a Summoner how to play. It's a quick way to get yourself /blacklisted.

--Jehryn--
playing as 15 BLM/7 SMN
Carbuncle Server
Illuminati Linkshell

Flame away if you would like, but I was a noob at one point too and had to learn the lessons... maybe you can learn them on a discussion board rather than face down in the sands of Valkurm.

I highly doubt it, but what if he was a pro JP with 75/37 on another char?!!?!?!?!?!?

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that would be impossible, since hi-lv JPs are:

#1: Nice
#2: Good, for the most part
#3: Usually don't have potty mouths (at least not in english)
#4: Not stupid

I really wish I remembered this guys name so I could add him to my "No Party" list, but it was too freaking early and I was so astounded at what happened =)

Anyhow, another day in Valk, another crop of newbies... I'm gonna stick to my linkshell and my friendlist =)

Yet ANOTHER instance tonight, but this time I'm not sure it was a newb...

Still in Valk, taking it slow with some no-subjob parties, but our puller pulled a Bogy and the party broke apart. So I get an invite a couple minutes later, and I ask about getting a WHM... they say "We have two healers" and instantly I know what's going on...

Leader: We have two healers
Jehryn: who?
Leader: Generic RDM and YOU
Jehryn: I am BLM/WHM, I am not a healer... I am only for emergencies... RDM is not an adequate replacement for WHM
Jehryn: I have been in too many bad parties, and I will not join unless you have a WHM.
Leader: You have WHM sub, you can be healer.
Jehryn: nope, goodbye
/disband

I suppose I could've stuck around at let them watch as the RDM's MP dried up halfway through every battle, but it's 4 AM and I don't want to die... Noobs, keep in mind that this is a ROLE PLAYING game, and my SUBJOB is not my role, it's there for SUPPORT.... BLM is a nuker, not a backup healer.

OI! What you mean? A Red mage healer can be just as afficient as a WHM if he knows what he's doing. When i was leveling in Valkurm alot of times I was the only healer, and things went great.



I myself didn't have a Subjob until I was lvl 30... Reason because it wold take longer If I had to level another class to sub, so I just went str8 to lvl 30. 1 thing though, ppl might have less playtime than other ppl, but you get ppl who get the hang of the conecepts very fast. So... sometimes even "newblettes" can have great advice

The reason I sub WHM is for the STAT BOOST it gives me, not for more invites to parties or the ability to heal. As a BLM my MND absolutely SUCKS, so there is no good reason for me to be a healer. I don't ask a MNK/WAR to be the tank just because he has provoke... it just doesn't make any sense because their DEF is so pitiful most of the time. It's NOT THEIR JOB. Of course I will heal in an emergency, but emergencies should be just that... EMERGENCIES. I should not have to heal every battle.

As to a RDM being able to be main healer: good for you! =) I've just never seen it pulled off, so I guess that's why I don't trust it.

I'm going to change back to a SMN sub so that nobody asks me to be healer again... but now they're going to want me to attack with Carbuncle.... =)

I've been in several parties w/o a WHM healer. In fact the other day I was in a party w/ my girlfriend who was raising her Blm sub and she was our main healer and I was backing up while leveling my Rdm subjob. We were just fine, nad plenty of hitpoints and were a fairly successful group. If you keep being so picky about your parties and being so ******* you're going to turn a lot of people away from you and **** them off. Eh, like it matters though, at least you're not on my server so I can be happy that it's one less person that I'm forced to put up with that's closeminded like that.

I understand that it's frustrating working with some newer players sometimes but anotehr thing that bothers me is overly sensitive people. Its just a game and not everyone will get along perfectly all the time. Last night i was in a group and i was trying to get the ball rolling because we were having a lot of idle time with no fighing and people ******* around. One of the members started telling me to have patience and also had something to say about everything I was saying which was getting annoying. We had a minor argument and he left the party and just before that in a fight he would not heal me at all. (Not that i needed his healing anyway).

But I am amazed at how sensitive and whiny some people can be but we just have to live with it. Its their problem not yours if htey are offended by any little thing.

The real question is, would you rather sit and wait for a WHM, or get XP, but a little less efficiently.

It's kind of hypocritical to say, 'without a white mage there's too much down time, so I'm going to sit here and wait for one'.

Um, in case you didnt notice, it does say "current"
under my signature, proving once again that just because
someone is playing a low level character doesnt mean that they dont know anything.

People like YOU **** ME off to no end. If my group needs a heal, and the WHM / RDM are falling behind or low on mana, then I'm more than willing to toss out a heal to help them get caught up again. But if you bring me into a group and expect me to be a healer, I'll go find another group, simple as that. I don't know if you've ever tried a group relying healer subs, but it does not work.

Yes, I saved my party's *** in Crawler's the other night when one WAR DC'd early in the fight followed shortly by the WHM and RDM running out of MP, so I had to step in as healer. I play a MP-conservative BLM, start slow and finish strong, because if anything is going to go wrong in a fight, it will happen early and I'll be able to step in as needed if it does, whether by crowd control or healing. Will I stay in a party that this is a common occurrence in, where I am relied on to be a healer? Hell no. I am a BLM, it is my job to nuke the crap out of the mobs, anything else I do is extra. If you don't like that, you're more than welcome never to group with me, I'll feel much better having never known you.

I was mearly referring back to Ijodaddy, who if I am
not mistaken, was referring to my apparent low level
in jest, as in, "and just would a level 8 tarutaru
know?"

Don't just assume becase a person doesn't have a sub-job/adv-job or is under level 30 that they don't know anything about the game and are n00bs.

I was a Level 59 Rogue and Senior Officer in a major raiding guild back before Luclin in EverQuest. And I took alot of knowledge from that. I know what aggro management is, and probably as good, if not better then you do. I know the importance of class roles, esp how important it will become at later levels, and it is important people stick to thier roles as that is what they are best at. I know of macros and commands and linking and aggro mobs. I know how to walk through valkurm and buburimi, mariphataud and suarmouge whaetver at 17 and not die. Now what about stuff about FFXI only tactics. Well I read a few threads and learned and understand them to, I know about SA/TA positioning, I know about skill chains and magic bursts. Just the other day I did a skill chain with a samurai, sneak attack/fast bladed for 92 and got a 59 distortion effect, which is hella good at level 18.

I am only level 18, and ya, at this point the game is pretty tame, but I already know more then most people with adv. jobs probably do and I understand the kind of percision and patients things will take at a higher level. I also remember all the idiocy I encountered with n00bs in EQ, and alot of it was during raids in the top 10% of levels. I know that just because people get high level doesn't nessacarily mean they get un-n00bed, and I also realize I have a lot more to learn, as such I welcome critisism and guidence, if you have something to say, and it is worth hearing I will listen, but if a problem comes along and you just disband, well I pretty much assume you are one of these pampered high level n00bs that leeched of his power-gaming friends and rode coat-tails to your summoner sub-job and expects to get everything his way.

Basically, if you act like an idiotic stuck-up n00b, be expected to be treated like one.

P.S. I subbed a warrior job to my thief for provoke, I can take a few hits in an emergancy, and that is good when a blm/smn decides to power-nuke, or a whm thinks he can heal everyone w/o backup and pulls aggro.

Edited, Sun Jan 25 17:24:33 2004 by Ralluwen