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Let me first sart off by saying that I am a lvl 30BLM/11WHM but I am an Elf. I didn't really realize that the race I picked was the worst possible one for a BLM. I have fun with it but now that I'm going to be getting into higher levels my BLM is going to be the weakest possible. I was told that if i sub SMN w/ my BLM it will make up for the low INT and MP. I was wondering if this is true and if it is possible to still be a very effective BLM-elf in my higher levels. If not I was thinking about becoming a Dragoon/Samurai or a Paladin/Warrior. Please let me know if you have any thoughts or comments on what I should do w/ my character. Thanks!
PLD/WAR is a very typical elvaan combination. Not that you have to be typical. I still love seeing those Galka WHMs walking around. As far as the viability to your elvaan BLM...if you can make him work for you, then he's viable. He'll never have the MP or the strength in spells like a taru, but he'll be able to take a few more hits when the tanks lose the aggro on that mob.
don't worry about it. If you love being an elvaan blm then stay w/ that. Also RSE equipment will greatly help your mp boost (should give around 90+ mp w/ all RSE equipped) plus if you have the cash to buy stuff...buy these rings that converts 25HP to MP. And NO, don't sub(IMHO) SMN unless the party is 100% sure that they have enough healings and only want pure nuking. A BLM should preferrably sub a whm or rdm for emergency cases of healing. Like Alien said you might not have the highest mp to utilize a blms' potential but you can work around it and it really depends on the player on how the good the character is.
DONT WORRY ABOUT IT!!
You will become what I like to call "one of the BEST players in the game" While most of us take the easy way out and choice races based on difficulty, I find it facinating when I see a LVL 60 Galaka WHM/SMR.
Dont let anyone dictate what u like and wish to become!
You will become what I like to call "one of the BEST players in the game" While most of us take the easy way out and choice races based on difficulty, I find it facinating when I see a LVL 60 Galaka WHM/SMR.
Dont let anyone dictate what u like and wish to become!
First of all, play what you want to play, not what someone else considers a cookie cutter character for gaming.
Elvaan arent as bad as a lot of people will make them out to be for mages, 3 friends and I all started FFXI as Elvaan. Im a Red Mage, one is a white mage, the other a black mage.
The mp difference really isnt that bad and as an elvaan when you do get aggro you dont have to worry about being killed instantly like some taru do. I've seen Taru black mages die after 1 hit because they got attacked with a critical or special move after nuking, its not even funny. (Well, actually it is.)
With gear and especially food later on, you dont have to worry about it really. At 38, I've been grouped with taru black mages and only had 70 less mp than them without using any food like apple pie, but about 150 hp more.
I've even grouped with Galkaa black mages who had no problem managing their mp. hah! Like others have said, it depends on the player's skill, if you're a bad player having 100 more mp isnt going to instantly make you a good player. It just means you have more mp to waste and overnuke with. =P
Elvaan arent as bad as a lot of people will make them out to be for mages, 3 friends and I all started FFXI as Elvaan. Im a Red Mage, one is a white mage, the other a black mage.
The mp difference really isnt that bad and as an elvaan when you do get aggro you dont have to worry about being killed instantly like some taru do. I've seen Taru black mages die after 1 hit because they got attacked with a critical or special move after nuking, its not even funny. (Well, actually it is.)
With gear and especially food later on, you dont have to worry about it really. At 38, I've been grouped with taru black mages and only had 70 less mp than them without using any food like apple pie, but about 150 hp more.
I've even grouped with Galkaa black mages who had no problem managing their mp. hah! Like others have said, it depends on the player's skill, if you're a bad player having 100 more mp isnt going to instantly make you a good player. It just means you have more mp to waste and overnuke with. =P
XD I have a 31/15 blm/rdm Elvaan too it's funny cus I have so little mp.
Just use the RSE, don't spend 100k+ (on Fairy server) for the Astral rings, just wait till lvl 40 and buy electrum rings (-20/+20 instead of -25/+25) but they're like 1/10 the price. As to your sub... sub SMN for the extra int, auto mp regen, huge boost to your mp pool. You're a blm, not a healer. But then again it's always useful to be able to toss a cure here and there :)
Just use the RSE, don't spend 100k+ (on Fairy server) for the Astral rings, just wait till lvl 40 and buy electrum rings (-20/+20 instead of -25/+25) but they're like 1/10 the price. As to your sub... sub SMN for the extra int, auto mp regen, huge boost to your mp pool. You're a blm, not a healer. But then again it's always useful to be able to toss a cure here and there :)
Everyone is mostly correct. If you like your character, stick with it. Summoner subbed will very much help with MP and stats, RSE will help, and AF armors and equipment in the game will help.
I imagine that everyone intends on one day taking their characters down every road, you got a head start on one of the troublesome roads for an Elvaan is all.
I imagine that everyone intends on one day taking their characters down every road, you got a head start on one of the troublesome roads for an Elvaan is all.
If you make it to cap, you will be the absolute worst capped blm. Of course, good gear helps - but the ppl that picked the correct race with the same good gear will be better... still making you the worst. I'd switch if I were you - but that's just me, I tend to worry about that stuff too much. And like everyone says, just have fun ^^ I personally have even more fun when I don't suck though lol
I'm doubt I stand alone on this, but maybe others didn't want to get falmed* by saying it hehe
*=Refer to below posts to see said flame
I'm doubt I stand alone on this, but maybe others didn't want to get falmed* by saying it hehe
*=Refer to below posts to see said flame
wheatpuff wrote:
Of course, good gear helps - but the ppl that picked the correct race with the same good gear will be better... still making you the worst.
RSE sort of became the "leveler" among job/race combinations. RSE is meant to boost those stats that a class naturally lacks in. That "Good gear" that will raise the INT DEX and AGI for an Elvaan won't be available to a Taru. A Taru's RSE will help them with their HP. This doesn't mean that it will be completely even, but it certainly means that you can become viable in any job, as long as you're having fun doing so.
I do agree that you should do what you want, and if you enjoy playing an Elvaan BLM you whould stick with it.
However, just my personal experience, I find I barely have
enough mp playing as a tarutaru, and can't imagine
having any less; this is even with all the stat raising
gear I can find.
Maybe I just like to nuke too much.
However, just my personal experience, I find I barely have
enough mp playing as a tarutaru, and can't imagine
having any less; this is even with all the stat raising
gear I can find.
Maybe I just like to nuke too much.
i couldn't stomach playing a little round thing, so i'm a Mithra BLM. the strat guide lists Mithra as the "second best" choice for BLM, but i gotta say.. the gap between my mana and a Taru of the same level's mana is pretty aggravating. as a result, i've piled on every bit of MP-boosting gear i can find.. including the Mithra RSE leg armor (which gives +32 mana.. and while i'm here, i GOTTA say, sorry, but RSE is not a "leveler" for race differences at all. it just helps decrease the gap.. a BIT). i'm only level 40, and at this stage, with every bit of equipment i've been able to find/afford and food and RSE, i'm still only almost even with a 40 Taru BLM.
SO, my point is, if you like your elf, play your elf. switch around to different jobs if playing the BLM gets to you, but don't switch races. THEN AGAIN.. if you want to take your BLM to 75 (or higher as the cap raises) and you want to be an in-demand BLM who gets groups easily, changing races is probably a good idea. granted, i've only spoken to / read posts by three lvl 70+ Elvaan BLM, but every one of them has the same gripe.. groups are sooo hard to come by and they get passed over for another race all the time.
as my Mithra gets higher and the Taru-mana gap gets bigger, i've started a RNG/THF.. cos i would like to be one of the best players in my job. (before the "it's the player, not the character" stuff starts.. yes. i agree. but a good Taru BLM is better than a good Mithra or Elf BLM, period.) <-- that's me.. if that doesn't concern you, and you're playing for fun and aren't interested in the high-level, "uber", competitive BS, then ***** it and play exactly what you want.
there's my two cents, really nothing new
atherisch
40 blm / 28 whm / 7 thf / 6 war / 5 mnk / 5 rng
SO, my point is, if you like your elf, play your elf. switch around to different jobs if playing the BLM gets to you, but don't switch races. THEN AGAIN.. if you want to take your BLM to 75 (or higher as the cap raises) and you want to be an in-demand BLM who gets groups easily, changing races is probably a good idea. granted, i've only spoken to / read posts by three lvl 70+ Elvaan BLM, but every one of them has the same gripe.. groups are sooo hard to come by and they get passed over for another race all the time.
as my Mithra gets higher and the Taru-mana gap gets bigger, i've started a RNG/THF.. cos i would like to be one of the best players in my job. (before the "it's the player, not the character" stuff starts.. yes. i agree. but a good Taru BLM is better than a good Mithra or Elf BLM, period.) <-- that's me.. if that doesn't concern you, and you're playing for fun and aren't interested in the high-level, "uber", competitive BS, then ***** it and play exactly what you want.
there's my two cents, really nothing new
atherisch
40 blm / 28 whm / 7 thf / 6 war / 5 mnk / 5 rng
Do what your heart tells you.
I myself am going for Mithra BST/WHM.
do a /sea all elv BLM
to see the JP Elvaan BLM's
I myself am going for Mithra BST/WHM.
do a /sea all elv BLM
to see the JP Elvaan BLM's
just have fun!
thats all you need to know
thats all you need to know
Some good posts,
If your hearts stuck on Elvaan, got for it, remember, it's a game, so the ultimate goal is to have fun...However...there's having fun and being frustrated to the point the games no fun anymore. As an Elvaan blm/whm, your NOT going to have alot of mp. And unless you want to be a battle black mage??? and go in there with your staff or magic wand, you might want to consider a career option.
Sure RSE will give you a boost, equipment can always tips the scales. But what the posters didn't tell you is look at the defense of the RSE. You can probably wear it til 50th if your lucky. Then, you'll need to trade it in for better defense. At that point, the taru blm will just blow you away. Sure, equipment can make up the difference...to a point, after which it comes down to natural talent...and besides, if you put that same equipment on a TARU...Holy Smackaru Taru!!!
My little taru of 25/12 whm/blm has 307 mp without gear, 325 with gear. I try and pump his mp so it'll go on for days. Image what it will look like at cap...yeah...equipment only goes sooooo far.
Now for some constructive advice, so you don't feel like your time is wasted. Your a 30blm/11 whm right? Capitalize on it. Drk/blm is a nice combo, or Pld/whm. That way, you've already have your subjob down for you. Elvaan make excellent DRK and PLD and both use magic so a magic subjob will only make it that much stronger magically, especially your DRK/blm. Sure your attack won't be as strong as a DRK/WAR, but LOL, look out for your spells, you can still nuke and drain like blm but have the added effect of being able to use your race to it's best advantage. Great thing about FFXI, it's so darn flexible you can do anything.
And if you don't care about MP issue, ***** them all and be the first elvaan blm/whm to hit cap :). It'll definately be an eye-opener :)
-M&M
If your hearts stuck on Elvaan, got for it, remember, it's a game, so the ultimate goal is to have fun...However...there's having fun and being frustrated to the point the games no fun anymore. As an Elvaan blm/whm, your NOT going to have alot of mp. And unless you want to be a battle black mage??? and go in there with your staff or magic wand, you might want to consider a career option.
Sure RSE will give you a boost, equipment can always tips the scales. But what the posters didn't tell you is look at the defense of the RSE. You can probably wear it til 50th if your lucky. Then, you'll need to trade it in for better defense. At that point, the taru blm will just blow you away. Sure, equipment can make up the difference...to a point, after which it comes down to natural talent...and besides, if you put that same equipment on a TARU...Holy Smackaru Taru!!!
My little taru of 25/12 whm/blm has 307 mp without gear, 325 with gear. I try and pump his mp so it'll go on for days. Image what it will look like at cap...yeah...equipment only goes sooooo far.
Now for some constructive advice, so you don't feel like your time is wasted. Your a 30blm/11 whm right? Capitalize on it. Drk/blm is a nice combo, or Pld/whm. That way, you've already have your subjob down for you. Elvaan make excellent DRK and PLD and both use magic so a magic subjob will only make it that much stronger magically, especially your DRK/blm. Sure your attack won't be as strong as a DRK/WAR, but LOL, look out for your spells, you can still nuke and drain like blm but have the added effect of being able to use your race to it's best advantage. Great thing about FFXI, it's so darn flexible you can do anything.
And if you don't care about MP issue, ***** them all and be the first elvaan blm/whm to hit cap :). It'll definately be an eye-opener :)
-M&M
high end game mana is not a problem
only diffrence is a elf will have lower INT = lower damage per spell
but who cares
sub a smn and just blast away
only diffrence is a elf will have lower INT = lower damage per spell
but who cares
sub a smn and just blast away
The high mp pool post 30 is not much of an issue. Because they cannot spend all that on casting nukes. As you level your spells becomes more powerfull but at the same time you generate more and more hate. Like if you chain cast the II spells twice the mob will come to you, hence you cannot chain cast (or atleast not till you have a good paladin). Tarutaru does have high mp but they usualy use those extra mp for back up heals. Sometimes ends up using more CureII than offensive spells.
Scholar
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This is one of the reasons I choose to be a Hume. When I first started off I had no idea what I wanted to be, so I picked the race that was average in just about everything. Then again, when I'm done being a PLD/WAR I can just as easily become a WHM. Sure, I won't start out with the BEST possible stats and I will not end with them either, but I will do a damned good job along the way and have fun with it.
There's so much room in this game to actually develop playing skills. So you might not have as much MP as a Taru BLM, so it just means you have to learn how to be more efficiant at casting your spells to get them most bang for the buck. Also, I've met a lot of Taru BLM's that cast more than they should anyway and they could do to have less MP so they're not so dangerous to themselves and their parties!
There's so much room in this game to actually develop playing skills. So you might not have as much MP as a Taru BLM, so it just means you have to learn how to be more efficiant at casting your spells to get them most bang for the buck. Also, I've met a lot of Taru BLM's that cast more than they should anyway and they could do to have less MP so they're not so dangerous to themselves and their parties!
Lithe wrote:
XD I have a 31/15 blm/rdm Elvaan too it's funny cus I have so little mp.
Just use the RSE, don't spend 100k+ (on Fairy server) for the Astral rings, just wait till lvl 40 and buy electrum rings (-20/+20 instead of -25/+25) but they're like 1/10 the price. As to your sub... sub SMN for the extra int, auto mp regen, huge boost to your mp pool. You're a blm, not a healer. But then again it's always useful to be able to toss a cure here and there :)
Just use the RSE, don't spend 100k+ (on Fairy server) for the Astral rings, just wait till lvl 40 and buy electrum rings (-20/+20 instead of -25/+25) but they're like 1/10 the price. As to your sub... sub SMN for the extra int, auto mp regen, huge boost to your mp pool. You're a blm, not a healer. But then again it's always useful to be able to toss a cure here and there :)
Hi Lithe. It's Swoll =)
How are you =)
MMOGs are all about min/maxing. That is the sad fact of the matter and you will be descriminated by the hardcore gamers.
The sad fact of the matter is choosing a bad race/job combo dosent make you a better player. Playing the game and making a conscious effort to learn and improve your play makes you a better player. Ive seen WAY to many n00bs play strange job/race combos because they think that by doing so they are better gamers, yet they still manage to botch up there job roles at every turn, slow down the xp rate and possiably get the party killed.
That aside, if it dosent bother you, then all the power to ya, just dont believe the people who have responded too your post who say it will magicaly make you a better player. All i know is I woundent invite you into my xp group if i had the option of inviting a Taru BLM.
Edited, Thu Jan 22 11:12:57 2004 by Abyssus
The sad fact of the matter is choosing a bad race/job combo dosent make you a better player. Playing the game and making a conscious effort to learn and improve your play makes you a better player. Ive seen WAY to many n00bs play strange job/race combos because they think that by doing so they are better gamers, yet they still manage to botch up there job roles at every turn, slow down the xp rate and possiably get the party killed.
That aside, if it dosent bother you, then all the power to ya, just dont believe the people who have responded too your post who say it will magicaly make you a better player. All i know is I woundent invite you into my xp group if i had the option of inviting a Taru BLM.
Edited, Thu Jan 22 11:12:57 2004 by Abyssus
Go dark knight for main and black mage for sub, that would be okay combo.
Elvaan's are also good white mages.
Nothing wrong with a Elvaan BM, keep plugging along if you want, i wouldnt turn a Elvaan BM away, i would figure that if you able to get a Elvaan BM to lvl 30 you gotta have some skill so i would want in my party. You might not have the MP but you would know what your doing.
Elvaan's are also good white mages.
Nothing wrong with a Elvaan BM, keep plugging along if you want, i wouldnt turn a Elvaan BM away, i would figure that if you able to get a Elvaan BM to lvl 30 you gotta have some skill so i would want in my party. You might not have the MP but you would know what your doing.
Bode - 100 Holy Paladin - Lightbringer
Tarutarus can be almost anything as well (maybe except tank
jobs). Tartatu dark knights are cool!
jobs). Tartatu dark knights are cool!
A little story to humor you in this dark hour of decision making (note: this is 100% fiction, but I would love to see it):
Alliance Leader: Holy crap, this dragon is gonna own us! Nuke as hard as you can!
So you are an Elvaan BLM and your nukes can't do as much damage as a Taru, sounds like the little ******* will be the hero once again, or will he?
You both stand side by side, 7 ft and 2 ft tall and open up with magic fury the like of which hasn't been seen since the Beastwars. But as you expected little bastaruard is doing 10% more damage then your nukes, and your mana bar has to have a leak because he isn't even down 25% yet.
Just as he looks over and smiles he lets another big one rip and it magic bursts of the most insane 10 skill weapon chain you have ever seen.
His smile is quickly removed when the dragon turns around and bares its teeth in what probably passes as a smile on it's ugly mug. Exactly one second later its 5 foot claws julienne the taru in one strike.
For a moment you are happy, but then the dragon looks at you and you realize you are next. You hear the warrior on the far side yelling at the dragon how its scales have an unusual hue of brown that reminds him of his last bowel movement as the thief stabs the dragon in the tail from behind the battered pile of platemail.
The dragon takes one swipe at you just barely opening a flesh wound on your left arm then turns around to deal with the annoying pest behind him.
The warrior is just finishing his slue of unpleasentries with the classic, "Your horns are crooked and make your head reminiscent of a behemoth's back end."
The dragon is painfully hurt, with cuts and bruises all abound him, singed and frosted scales line his back. He lashes his wounded tail and looks at this foul-mouthed chuck of steel and gets ready to cook him like a Thankthegoddess Day Akbaba when one last blast of ice causes his leg to give out, his head swings wildly left as he collapses and the warrior deftly arcs his sword overhead with a brutal blow to the dragons gullet.
He looks back expected to see Mr. Taru having saved the day but smiles at the minorly wounded, but still standing Elvaan that used the last of his mana to get that dragon down on its knees.
He asks, "Where is Mr. Taru," then sees the neatly sliced corpse, "White Mage? Clean up on Aisle 4."
Edited, Thu Jan 22 16:18:54 2004 by Ralluwen
Alliance Leader: Holy crap, this dragon is gonna own us! Nuke as hard as you can!
So you are an Elvaan BLM and your nukes can't do as much damage as a Taru, sounds like the little ******* will be the hero once again, or will he?
You both stand side by side, 7 ft and 2 ft tall and open up with magic fury the like of which hasn't been seen since the Beastwars. But as you expected little bastaruard is doing 10% more damage then your nukes, and your mana bar has to have a leak because he isn't even down 25% yet.
Just as he looks over and smiles he lets another big one rip and it magic bursts of the most insane 10 skill weapon chain you have ever seen.
His smile is quickly removed when the dragon turns around and bares its teeth in what probably passes as a smile on it's ugly mug. Exactly one second later its 5 foot claws julienne the taru in one strike.
For a moment you are happy, but then the dragon looks at you and you realize you are next. You hear the warrior on the far side yelling at the dragon how its scales have an unusual hue of brown that reminds him of his last bowel movement as the thief stabs the dragon in the tail from behind the battered pile of platemail.
The dragon takes one swipe at you just barely opening a flesh wound on your left arm then turns around to deal with the annoying pest behind him.
The warrior is just finishing his slue of unpleasentries with the classic, "Your horns are crooked and make your head reminiscent of a behemoth's back end."
The dragon is painfully hurt, with cuts and bruises all abound him, singed and frosted scales line his back. He lashes his wounded tail and looks at this foul-mouthed chuck of steel and gets ready to cook him like a Thankthegoddess Day Akbaba when one last blast of ice causes his leg to give out, his head swings wildly left as he collapses and the warrior deftly arcs his sword overhead with a brutal blow to the dragons gullet.
He looks back expected to see Mr. Taru having saved the day but smiles at the minorly wounded, but still standing Elvaan that used the last of his mana to get that dragon down on its knees.
He asks, "Where is Mr. Taru," then sees the neatly sliced corpse, "White Mage? Clean up on Aisle 4."
Edited, Thu Jan 22 16:18:54 2004 by Ralluwen
LMFAO!! Thanks, I needed that story. My co-workers are wonder what I am laughing at over here! It is a very good point though. I can take a harsh beating and survive long enough to heal myself. Thanks for all the comments everyone. I really do enjoy being a BLM and will continue to do so. Not to say that I won't try out some advanced jobs to see how they are, but I will definately try to cap my BLM now since I've put a lot of time into it and enjoy playing it. I only wish that higher lvl BLMs could buy long, black robes with hoods. I always thought those classic pointy mage hats look a little weird on taller races.
-_-; all the mage type armor looks weird on Elvaan's, especially the males. They're too tall and stuff.
Wouldn't Galka be the worst caster race?
Anyway, Don't stress it at all. Are you playing for fun or to "be the best". If your playing to be the best then your probably not going to be very happy no matter what race you pick. You may want to stick with some quake or something if your seeking glory. If your playing for fun, Elvaan aren't a horrible choice, in fact nothing is, everything has its advantages and disadvantages. I'm going for Galka Shadownight, am I going to have MP... heck no Im not, but I'll be able to dish out a little extra damage in exchange, or take a couple more hits if I have too. Pick a race you like the looks of, if anyone gives you grief on your combo then tell them what they can kiss. I'll group a tarutaru palidan or a galka Whitemage if they are nice guys, tehn again, I'm not a "powergamer".
Anyway, Don't stress it at all. Are you playing for fun or to "be the best". If your playing to be the best then your probably not going to be very happy no matter what race you pick. You may want to stick with some quake or something if your seeking glory. If your playing for fun, Elvaan aren't a horrible choice, in fact nothing is, everything has its advantages and disadvantages. I'm going for Galka Shadownight, am I going to have MP... heck no Im not, but I'll be able to dish out a little extra damage in exchange, or take a couple more hits if I have too. Pick a race you like the looks of, if anyone gives you grief on your combo then tell them what they can kiss. I'll group a tarutaru palidan or a galka Whitemage if they are nice guys, tehn again, I'm not a "powergamer".
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