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#1 Jan 21 2004 at 12:14 AM Rating: Decent
Alright, I was looking and i didn't see a thread about this, but as you may have noticed, Final Fantasy 11 is now down for "Emergency Maintenance" once again for 6 hours MINIMUM of maintenance. The part that really struck me is the emergency maintenance notice was posted on the official site at 8:34 PM and the server went down at 9:00 PM. Am I the only one that thinks that this makes Square-Enix look a little... I don't know what's the word for it... incompetent maybe? Let me know what you think.
#2 Jan 21 2004 at 12:38 AM Rating: Decent
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I'd rather them take down the server when they need to then let a problem fester and not do anything about it.
#3 Jan 21 2004 at 12:46 AM Rating: Decent
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Emergancy maintenance suggests an emergancy. Perhaps something went down, or something happened that required unexpected and immediate attention. It doesn't seem incompetent to me. If it had been scheduled maintenance, that would be different...
#4 Jan 21 2004 at 12:49 AM Rating: Decent
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They're changing the structure of the server cluster, so expect it to take untill at least midday tomorrow and not the 6 hours they stated. I'm sure they planned it to take 6 hours, but these things always take at least 3 times longer than expected.
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Final Fantasy XI 12-14-11 Update wrote:
Adjust the resolution of menus.
The main screen resolution for "FINAL FANTASY XI" is dependent on the "Overlay Graphics Resolution" setting.
If the Overlay Graphics Resolution is set higher than the Menu Resolution, menus will be automatically resized.


I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#5 Jan 21 2004 at 12:50 AM Rating: Decent
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They're changing the structure of the server cluster, so expect it to take untill at least midday tomorrow and not the 6 hours they stated. I'm sure they planned it to take 6 hours, but these things always take at least 3 times longer than expected.
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Final Fantasy XI 12-14-11 Update wrote:
Adjust the resolution of menus.
The main screen resolution for "FINAL FANTASY XI" is dependent on the "Overlay Graphics Resolution" setting.
If the Overlay Graphics Resolution is set higher than the Menu Resolution, menus will be automatically resized.


I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#6 Jan 21 2004 at 12:50 AM Rating: Decent
I'd rather have a service that I pay a monthly fee for to work when I'm able to use it. Therefore its a disappointment that its down now.

But on the other hand, it suggests signs of competence rather than incompetence that they stop the situation before a serious situation arises in order to fix it.

Either way, you deal with whats given to you and enjoy it when you can. Also, either way, SquareEnix has created an amazing game for us to enjoy most of the time and I'm sure are doing their best to keep it that way.
#7 Jan 21 2004 at 12:52 AM Rating: Decent
I'm with you on that one. But they've been having connection problems for a while now. I would have thought that they could accomodate people a little bit better with some notice ahead of time. 26 minutes is not any notice at all, it's pretty much BAM the server's down. Yes, i know it's "emergency" but still. The problems have been occuring for a number of days, you can't tell me that they would have gotten any worse if they gave like an hour or two's notice and done the maintenance later. I don't know, maybe it's because I play a lot so it just seems like a lot of unannounced maintenance, and for disturbing amounts of time.

I'd like to hear from a programmer for mmorpg's one of these days that would maybe be able to tell me why they couldn't be testing fixes on another server so that they could just mirror the update on to all the game servers, and maybe take them down for like an hour? I don't know... maybe that's what they do do now and it just takes a really long time. I'd be interested to find out what specifically about it requires so much raw time though.
#8 Jan 21 2004 at 1:02 AM Rating: Decent
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But they've been having connection problems for a while now. I would have thought that they could accomodate people a little bit better with some notice ahead of time


They have to determine that the problem is on their side and not on the clients side. Then determine wether the problem will require immediate maintenance or if it can wait. It is after all an EMERGENCY maintenance... Next time you run into an emergency ...maybe you should call Police, Ambulance or whatever 3 days ahead of time?!?!?!?! Some problems can wait and some can't. If you postponed a problem that CAN'T wait you risk of making the problem graver. I don't know about you, but I'd rather not play 6 hours then be down for 2-3 days or lose all my data on the server because of untimely response to a problem.
#9 Jan 21 2004 at 1:05 AM Rating: Decent
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Hmm, while I agree that 26 minutes isn't much time, it's not uncommon. I've played EQOA and actually recieved a 15 minute notice one time. The difference is Square is trying to fix the problem right away, whereas Sony often lets problem fester for weeks.
#10 Jan 21 2004 at 1:05 AM Rating: Decent
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Question I know alot of changes can be done off servers and swapped over when needed wouldn' you think that most of there maintenence would be swappable instead of workin on the server for extended periods of time directilly? I mean all of us are payin enough for side servers to do just that.
#11 Jan 21 2004 at 1:10 AM Rating: Decent
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I do some networking myself and I know there can be issues that arise that have to be taken care of, but I can't help noticing that over the 3 months or so I've played the game it seems every time they issue a patch for the game what follows is a series of server repairs from login issues etc. Also seems to be alot of new bugs introduced that didn't exist before. An example is a problem I had after a recent patch where it became very difficult to target items with the mouse such as the home crystal and auction house windows. While this is not a major issue (certainly annoying) and has been fixed in a recent patch it shouldn't have happened and wouldn't have if they tested the patches before just tossing them on a server and having half a million users download them. Another issue I've had recently is a high rate failure in any type of search.. AH items.. player searches etc. None of this happened until the holiday update with the christmas lights.

Again these are small problems but go a long way into showing how well squaresoft tests these patches. Perhaps they took a lesson from Microsoft and their habbit of letting users beta test windows updates. This game has been out over a year now in Japan and alot of the issues I would think should have been solved over this span of time.. Guess not.
#12 Jan 21 2004 at 1:17 AM Rating: Decent
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Up until this week, I've been really amazed with how few glitches and problems FF XI has had. Running a server farm for 100 users is challenging enough (I do it IRL); I can't imagine how hard it is to keep FF XI going, with its 500,000 users spread out over 30 different server farms.

I know Square has test servers where they try out updates before rolling them out to their production servers. Problem is, it can be difficult to simulate the same load, over time, that the production servers get.

Speaking as a system and network admin, they're doing a fantastic job over there.
#13 Jan 21 2004 at 1:20 AM Rating: Decent
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Actually some of the new bugs from new patches make sence, well kinda alot of that could be hand slips witch should be not often as they seem to. In puttin in new design flowing down the screen with the key pad and gettin side tracked is easy to foul up something. What i really want is a fuller explanation of what is going on if i'm paying for it I want full rights to know what i'm paying for and what has happend to it..
#14 Jan 21 2004 at 1:30 AM Rating: Decent
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What's the point? How much grounding do you have in server clustering, network design, database structure, VPN software, etc. etc.?

Besides, what would you prefer--that the techs spend their time fixing the problems, or trying to explain it to you? Believe me, it's hard to do both at the same time.
#15 Jan 21 2004 at 1:38 AM Rating: Decent
Congratulation they are trying to fix a problem for several days now . So the ones that pay the price are the the ones paying . Lets not forget this is the 3rd Maintence in 2 days . So everyone is just fine with it . Im begining to wonder if Square just doesnt have peeps post on the more popular sites . Just to down play the problems . So what next ? Blaming the easter bunny for what santa brings you ?


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#16 Jan 21 2004 at 1:54 AM Rating: Decent
Just to put things into perspective:

Santa Clause = Not Real
Easter Bunny = Not Real
Final Fantasy XI = Not Real.


Edited, Wed Jan 21 01:55:42 2004 by loneblinkr
#17 Jan 21 2004 at 1:58 AM Rating: Decent
BRAVO!

I dont mind the wait if it fixes the problem..
Hey im on east coast too, and this is my normal playing time.

#18 Jan 21 2004 at 2:00 AM Rating: Decent
loneblinkr.. you should have left the last line in there..
#19 Jan 21 2004 at 2:04 AM Rating: Decent
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this is getting way out of hand... the servers went down 2 days ago and again today (more appropriately, last night)... I just started playing 5 days ago but I have observed my friends playing and they said that this is one of the first MAJOR downtimes that they have noticed since they started playing. You'd think that a game that has been available overseas for over a year now would have all the bugs worked out and they would be able to seamlessly integrate the rest of the world. The only thing that I can think of is they werent prepared for eveyone else in the world to jump on this game like Wile E. Coyote on a paralyzed Road Runner, but still, you have to think.... why the problems, disgruntled employees perhaps ?
#20 Jan 21 2004 at 2:08 AM Rating: Decent
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and as far as having the techs fix AND explain... they wont have to... thats EXACTLY why Square/Enix has a PR department... for PUBLIC RELATIONS.. apparently all the people in the PR dept need to be fired for not doing their job, for the company at the same time as improving their realationship with the public by fixing said problem before it gets outta hand, is at the same time, killing said realtions with the public by giving us 26 MINUTES NOTICE..

thank you for listening to that non-senical rant and attempt to sound like an english major, now im going to go watch Aqua Teen Hunger Force
#21 Jan 21 2004 at 2:13 AM Rating: Decent
test every aspect of the game? thats not possoble without millions of users.
#22 Jan 21 2004 at 2:15 AM Rating: Decent
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the point was Gryffyn lets say your paying on something like a car "witch you can buy a new Kia for $29 a month now close to POL and FFXI price" and you take it in cuz your check engine light comes and and there like. "We have to keep your car for X amout of hours. Oh what is the problem ...... we just need to keep it." If i payed one time fee i would not care but you all pay to the date for what your playing.

P.S. I did do some server work but they could break it down none the less.
#23 Jan 21 2004 at 2:19 AM Rating: Decent
All I can think of is that it must be incredibly fashionable to defend Squeenix these days. . . I can't understand why people are defending a company that we pay for a service, when they do not provide that service reliably.

I've purchased every SINGLE american product that Square has released since FF1.

That said, I hope my product loyalty doesn't come into question when I say that FFXI has been the worst MMORPG I've ever been a part of in terms of support and reliability. How unfortunate it also is the only one I play or enjoy anymore.

So someone tell me what the problem is. . . They overburn the game CDs for release to save having to pay for an extra disc, causing who knows how many people a huge ammount of aggrevation and delay playing a game they've been expecting for almost 2 years. They have server downtime at a moments notice, (most recently) 3 days in a row - probably half of tomorrow too. Characters (confirmed, btw) dissapear when they try to stop 3rd paty prog users (which I DO NOT support - play the game how it's meant to be played and like it, or play a different game). . .

This is totally rediculous, especially to the people like me, who have handed Square whatever they asked for their next product, regardless of whether it was phenominal, or totally lame. And to boot, we all get to pay them month to month, just so the game can crash for hours out of the blue, or with (25?) minutes warning, go out for at least 6 hours 'emergency maintainance' (when? during the hours that probably way more than 50% of the NA player base has time/desire to play).

This may very well be the first Square game that I simply throw away.

<ends rant>
#24 Jan 21 2004 at 2:24 AM Rating: Decent
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Smiley: banghead NOT...ANOTHER...MAINTENANCE... Smiley: cry

I'm starting to believe someone from SQUENIX is camped outside my house and whenever I get home they phone in to "base" to shut down the servers!!!

WHY SQUENIX WHY?!?!?
WHY HAST THOU FORSAKEN ME!?!?!?

Oh wait... I bought FFX-2 Sunday! WHOOOHOOOO!!! go me go me
suddenly i'm not bored anymore.

mwahhahahahha Smiley: yippee
#25 Jan 21 2004 at 2:25 AM Rating: Decent
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Unfortunatley it's just a fact. In the IT world it's not a question of if something goes down, it's a question of when. I work network administration in a casino and you should hear th old ladies complain when something is not working right.

I'd have to say it's the good technicians that at least give warning. How many time does a server just crash? Crash means not even running! I get really upset when 50 employees start calling me about a certain server going down and I had no idea.

Let them do their thing. Read the website.... learn about how to pull off a renkai or What spells you really should be casting. Don't tell anyone, but I think i might play another game for a while. :P


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#26 Jan 21 2004 at 2:27 AM Rating: Decent
You people complaining have lots of issues... lots of them. The pure concept of an emergency doesnt even register to you. You don't know what the problem was, so you have no reason to complain of "#min notice! WTF?!". They could have been hacked, and every new character was gettin 100k gil... You never know.

As for those thats say "I pay for it, I have every right to know whats going on." Uhm... I pay taxes, I deserver every right to know where my money is going, and every little detail to know what the government is doing! Yeah, sounds logical to me... (Sarcasm for those of you that need it spelled out.)

And yes there is test server, maybe it was having the same emergency, so they brought down the whole thing. Could have been hardware problems. Could have been power outages, who knows!

Just relax, check up on the real life or something. Check some other games and the people you played with there. Or for all of you EQ people go back to playing that for a while. Plenty of things to do, complaining isn't going to fix it. Why? Because the server is already down.
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