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I'm so CONFLICTED (Can't decide on RDM/BLM or RDM/WHM)Follow

#1 Jan 20 2004 at 3:26 AM Rating: Default
Seriously! I like nuking and like healing (not as much).

I want to be able to Warp (big perk for me)

I DON'T want to be relegated to healer EVERY battle. I want to do some damage too!

But I heard that RDM/BLM's don't get NEARLY as many party invites as RDM/WHM's because they are not as good.!!!

Someone please help.
#2 Jan 20 2004 at 3:28 AM Rating: Decent
Easy

Taru? BLM/WHM
Elvaan? RDM/WHM
#3 Jan 20 2004 at 3:33 AM Rating: Decent
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Hmmm, little bit of a conflict.

Try out the Rdm/Blm see if it works, see if you like and see if you get invite. Never know it might rock. I dont think i would outright trash anyone with that combo, i would give em chance in group.

Hell i had a Taru Dark Knight in group tonight and he rocked. Had less HP that our Hume BLM who was 3 levels below him though :P

Not the worst combo ive seen and its something different than other cookie cutter job/subs so go for it.
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#4 Jan 20 2004 at 3:35 AM Rating: Decent
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Easy

Taru? BLM/WHM
Elvaan? RDM/WHM

ok thats not even what he asked... I play a Red/Wht cause Red/wht is more along the lines of what I feel like playing. Ask yerself. Do i wanna be the the one who saves the day buy healing my 5 new-found freinds to health so they can kill this thing? or do I wanna Nuke this thing to death to save my 5 new-found friends? I personally think that the healing will be better but it's all in how you wanna play leaveapath.
#5 Jan 20 2004 at 3:37 AM Rating: Default
I really don't know.....

It's the lack of party invites that is going to bother me...

And that my magic is going to be weak (I'm HUME)
#6 Jan 20 2004 at 3:55 AM Rating: Decent
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I play a mithra as I am sure you have seen in my sig... my question? are you planing on a secondary job? does this all make it a moot point? as for me, I love my red/wht, I get groups easily(usually by freinds list, cause I add daily) but ultimatly, i think Ranger will be good for my Mithra. Do you plan on going another way? If you continue on as a red i think 41+ will be sweet. I plan on going up to at least that lvl but ultimatly... what path are you on? think big picture on this and factor in your Hume STRENGTHS instead of focusing on how red hume is hard.
#7 Jan 20 2004 at 3:57 AM Rating: Decent
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Sad, sad, truth RDM/BLM is still tossed to the back of the party to heal. Stupid, but true. I hated trying to level up my RDM for this simple fact. Honestly though most parties will not look at your sub when grabbing you. RDM still get inundated with party invites just cause they are a RDM. If you don't want to be healing all the time subbing BLM gives you this excuse. Just remember, subbing WHM, doesn't make you a super better bestest healer, nor subbing BLM make you a super better bestest nuker, you are still a RDM, just do your role as well as you can.
#8 Jan 20 2004 at 4:00 AM Rating: Decent
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Amen KithPine!!
#9 Jan 20 2004 at 4:03 AM Rating: Default
I might become a RDM/NIN
#10 Jan 20 2004 at 4:03 AM Rating: Default
I might become a RDM/NIN
#11 Jan 20 2004 at 4:15 AM Rating: Decent
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only draw to that is the crappy hits being En<insert+5hithere>
in the long game i think we become less melee and more caster. But play how you like
#12 Jan 20 2004 at 4:23 AM Rating: Default
Well, I heard RDM teamed up pretty well with NIN's because of the massive debuff and en potential
#13 Jan 20 2004 at 8:22 AM Rating: Default
Need.....help!!!
#14 Jan 20 2004 at 9:54 AM Rating: Decent
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But I heard that RDM/BLM's don't get NEARLY as many party invites as RDM/WHM's because they are not as good.!!!


That's simply not true at all. Do this:

/sea all RDM/BLM 50-75

and then

/sea all RDM/WHM 50-75

If your server is anything like mine, you should have 3-4 times more RDM/BLM. Not sure why this is. I think it's because of warp but I'm sure there's other reasons (a little more MP, rasp, aspir, WHM hard to level before 10).

As a RDM, you're never going to have a hard time finding a party.

#15 Jan 20 2004 at 9:55 AM Rating: Decent
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I am trying to decide this too. (although I still need the Bloody Robe, dammit)

I like doing damage... but it seems that haveing WHM subbed may give me more spells to work with..... If you notice , most of the BLM spells RDM gets anyway by the time you have it subbed. But me being an Elvaan... I can see myself doing some tanking anyway....and I can see PT members having a problem ith that...esspecially if I was Primary Healer.... I'd prefer not having that responsiblity... I'll prolly go with BLM.. for now... jsut to get my Spell stuff enhanced..... And once I get high enough to where I here that RDM pretty much become Casters primarily... them I may try to do Blm/Whm....

But I still don't really know... I'm pretty torn as well... I want to be able to Raise people.... I enjoy running around a zone when I'm bored.. but don't have enough time to really do anything involved.. and randomly curing or protecting people that need it....

But just thinking of the damage I could do as Blm makes me wonder
I just Don't Know...
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#16 Jan 20 2004 at 10:00 AM Rating: Decent
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i think the main thing that either blm or whm will offer you is, more MP.

you'll have their spells yes...but as a rdm, you already have a selection of spells good from either job that keep you in good shape.

like kithpine said, i think your main job will influence what people expect you to do. eg a ninja/whm with cureII ability doesn't suddenly get relegated to sit in the back ranks and heal.

if you like warp, go for blm.
#17 Jan 20 2004 at 10:35 AM Rating: Decent
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Right now I play Rdm/Mnk and Rdm/Blk. These observations are from a Rdm leveling from 15 to 20.

As Rdm/Blk I have performed the primary healer function in a group of 4+. We had two other Rdms to act as backup healers, this actually worked quite well.

I've also been primary healer in a group without a Whm or Rdm. We didn't do too bad. Even got some experience chains. Downtimes between experience chains were kinda long though.
#18 Jan 20 2004 at 10:41 AM Rating: Decent
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Seriously! I like nuking and like healing (not as much).

I want to be able to Warp (big perk for me)

I DON'T want to be relegated to healer EVERY battle. I want to do some damage too!


It seems pretty obvious that you would enjoy being a RDM/BLM more than a RDM/WHM. if that is how you want to play then do it. Have some faith in yourself, and try out what you think you would enjoy the most. It's not a popularity contest. :)

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#19 Jan 20 2004 at 10:51 AM Rating: Default
Lol, I ended up picking the WHM...

Because someone brought up a VERY good point.

When people are looking for a BLM, they aren't looking for a RDM/BLM. They are not as good at nuking and what they want is a good nuker.

Healing is capped, so I'll be fine as a primary healer, and still have SOME spells to kick *** with, which is all I want anyway.



Edited, Tue Jan 20 10:53:39 2004 by leaveapath
#20 Jan 20 2004 at 10:52 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm a much better healer than I am nuker, but I'm choosing BLM for my RDM sub because I want to warp.. thats it. If I ever get my BLM to 17 though.. haha.
#21 Jan 20 2004 at 10:54 AM Rating: Decent
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RDM/* should always act as a backup healer, IMHO. In a pinch and at lower levels (less than 30), a RDM/BLM or RDM/WHM *can* act as a main healer given several conditions:

1) You're Tarutaru
2) Your tank is a PLD
3) There's a backup healer
4) You're chaining T / VT
5) You're fighting near zone ;)

Pick two.

The deal is that as BLM, you get a good INT boost - your MND is lower, but it doesn't affect your healing that much because the Cures cap out early enough that it doesn't make a huge difference. But you're still RDM main, and even if you're trying to press the point that you're specializing in nuking, it ain't a perfect world and groups can get by without a nuker, but not without a healer. When things get desperate, they'll grab the RDM/WHM.

What a RDM/BLM misses most in that department is poisona, protectra, shellra.

What a RDM/WHM misses most is area-effect nukes. Of course, AoE nukes are dangerous, so maybe that's all for the better.

All in all, as RDM main, no matter what you sub (no matter WHAT you sub), your role in the group will always be decided by the group's makeup. You could be RDM/DRG if you really wanted to, and you'd still be asked to heal if the group needs it, still be asked to nuke if the group needs it. So figure out what appeals to you more, very rarely using a Stonega and having Warp, or very often casting Protectra and Shellra to save the WHM's MP, and dealing with status effects in combat while the WHM is chain-healing.
#22 Jan 20 2004 at 11:19 AM Rating: Decent
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Hmm, noone has brought up the biggest advantages and disadvantages of the combos...

BLM=
Elemental Seal+Sleep for adds
Chaincast+ Escape
Has Warp at RDM34
Has Drain and Aspir, to lessen downtime

WHM=
Divine Seal+Cure4 (after a convert)
Can cure many status ailments
Divine Seal+Curaga in emergencies


All in all, there are heavy advantages to both, but BLM is a more popular sub (on CaitSith at least). I think this is due in part to the fact that many don't like playin a main healer (to level up their WHM sub).

I'm sure there are things I missed. But I think I covered most of the main ones.
#23 Jan 20 2004 at 11:29 AM Rating: Decent
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I think this is due in part to the fact that many don't like playin a main healer (to level up their WHM sub).


You'd think that wouldn't you? Man... I just went back to windhurst to level my BLM sub yesterday and I was in about 5 different parties. As a BLM10/RDM5, guess what I spent the majority of my time doing? HEALING... GRRRR!!!! heheh.. sorry.. had to get that out.

Either we had no WHM or the WHM we had was to much of a newb to keep our tank alive. Nothing frustrates me more than knowing we could plow through the mob if I was able to nuke but we can't even keep the tank up long enough for me to get of more than 1 or 2 nukes in.
#24 Jan 20 2004 at 11:35 AM Rating: Decent
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Oops - about Divine / Elemental Seals, the DS-Curaga is a lifesaver in battle. The WHM cannot do this, because it is almost guaranteed death, but the RDM has the luxury - and can even use it as an emergency provoke. It's like a long-cast Benediction, and you have to be ready to use it (because of Curaga's long cast time, mitigated somewhat by RDM Fast Cast, but still a long cast time).

Basically, it's a once-every-ten-minutes Benediction at the lower levels (at 16 WHM, my DS Curaga caps out at 162 HP per party member).
#25 Jan 20 2004 at 12:43 PM Rating: Good
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Reality check time. A BLM sub gets more MPs while a WHM sub gets more HPs. The difference at 50 is about 20 points either way. The advantages of a BLM is Warp, Drain (this is a godsend for cheap spot-healing AND damage), Aspir, Sleep and Sleepga (these are critical for crowd control, and a good backup when your BLM invariably misses due to weaker enfeebling), AOEs, and higher INT for you elemental spells, not to mention the extra debuffs such as rasp/choke/drown/etc that will be available to you. The advantages of the WHM are -ga heals (rarely used in combat if you're fighting the right things for your level), status -a spells (if you have a WHM or the evercommon BLM/WHM who cares?), slightly higher MND (an extra 10 points healing max), and ... yeah, that's about it.

I went with BLM. I've never had a problem getting into groups. Plus, the skillset you get compliments the RDM better (elemental seal for crowd control spells and Conserve MP for better mp use combined with refresh). Once I hit 41 I get spammed for parties as much or MORE than WHMs and even before I had no problem getting into groups. If a group doesn't want me because of my sub it just tells me that those people don't know what red mages do and I add them to my "don't party with ... " list. Even with a BLM sub I can heal almost on par with a WHM and I can do it while on the front lines stabbing and slashing away. *shrugs*

The reason you see more higher level RDM/BLMs though probably comes down to what they see as a critical feature: aspir. Since most high level mobs have mp pools, it is an outstanding addition to refresh to be able to replenish your mps while in combat. This is also the reason you see some slightly lower level RDMs use DRK as a sub since they get it earlier, though this isn't nearly as common once they hit 50.

In my opinion, subbing WHM is not going to do you much good at all ... being able to fully flesh out your class with all available debuffs and having skills that compliment that goal is much more valuable.
#26 Jan 20 2004 at 2:29 PM Rating: Decent
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Airspirit, you make several good points! when explained to me like that and from someone with 18 white and black subs I would listen to you. good post, you changed my outlook, thanks!
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