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#1 Jan 16 2004 at 9:02 PM Rating: Decent
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Anyone ever look at a BradyGames guide and wonder if the people that created it even bothered to look at the game? My friend just bought it and typical of their guides it's filled with bad advice, missing information, and other stuff that's just plain wrong. And what's with the whole Fall 2003 version? I know that the game is going to have updates and modifications; but who's going to buy the "lastest release" of a guide that doesn't guide you.

Save yourself the money and find all your information here. The actual players of the game have more valuable information than would ever be in a guide.
#2 Jan 16 2004 at 9:21 PM Rating: Decent
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What I find rather enervating is when, in a discussion, someone's reasoning for disagreeing with a statment I make about game mechanics is "the guide says otherwise" or some BS like that. Sheesh.

But, I guess it would make a good makeshift desk leg or something if you have a rickety piece of furniture.
#3 Jan 16 2004 at 10:58 PM Rating: Default
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I bought this when it first came out. In the early days of the US launch (yeah, I know it was only "yesturday" :P ) there wern't too many sites up with enough information to help out such a newbie as myself. I'll admit that the first pages (ie, half the book) is completly useless and the maps are a total joke, but I still find a little comfort in it. It has a very nice spell list, Monster weaknesses (because I can't remember them all), a Renkei chart (yeah, a POS but it works for me), some starter quest and missions and what monstes can be found in what zone. It was worth twenty bucks back in the day, but these days, you can save your money.

A good book overall, but in no way should it be dubbed "official" or the "end all FFXI book to party etiquette and survival". Use the charts. Ditch the other info.
#4 Jan 17 2004 at 5:32 AM Rating: Decent
Bradeygames strategy guides are pathetic. I have bought the guides for FF11 and Shadowbane and they are both horrible. Both are either mission so much info or are just so wrong in so many topics I will never buy another guide with their lable on it. Its a shame really, I remember buying the guides for other FF games and they were great. This company is ruining the strategy guide scene.
#5 Jan 17 2004 at 5:56 AM Rating: Decent
If this is their first in a volume of FFXI strat guides, I can't see them getting any repeat customers from this one. Ever tried to do the bard quest from the guide? Eheh, yeah they got that one wrong. Ever go to Bastok last for the rank 3 missions? Oh yeah, they say nothing about a dragon in that one. So you walk in there solo all disappointed because if you'd gone to Bastok first you could've fought a dragon in San d'Oria... but wait... now you're de-leveled and trying to fight a dragon solo.

I bought the guide mainly for the crafting recipes, but even those are terrible and incomplete. Hell, it didn't even tell you how to harvest anything. Had to search on the internet for hours trying to figure that out after just running around trying to use sickles on random patches of grass.
#6 Jan 17 2004 at 6:17 AM Rating: Good
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If you read the guide it tells u on the frist page that it is only a very small part of the game covered they want you to figure it out by tlking to other players. and also the guy who said that he found other good guides for the other FF games they were all done by bradygames. so brady has good guides. you just can't make a good MMORPG guide with out givin' the hole game away.
#7 Jan 17 2004 at 4:23 PM Rating: Decent
I completely disagree; I think BradyGames rocks.
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And what's with the whole Fall 2003 version? I know that the game is going to have updates and modifications; but who's going to buy the "lastest release" of a guide that doesn't guide you.
It's a BOOK. They do not instantly go from writing to print like online rescources, ***. Not only do they have to write an entire book before releasing it, they have to edit, print, and distribute it. And unlike some other guides *coughPrima* they did not build their entire knowledge base on an early BETA version of the game. (Even if it was the English beta, the game had been released and running smoothly for a year in another language.)

BradyGames' Official Strategy Guide couldn't stay in stock for weeks at the release of the game because it was an excellent source of unique information. It's still an excellent quick reference for skillchains (I love it), creature weakness, creature AI, beginning crafting, fishing, finding the ellusive home point, all jobs' skills and spells, a quick reference for advanced quests, and it's still an excellent guide for newbie etiquette and protocol.

It sounds like none of you have ever picked up a strategy guide before, so yeah, this is how it goes: It's not meant for you who have played for 6 months and know the online sites, and it's not the end-all in information. But for $20 BradyGames released a spectacularly useful product in an undersaturated market of information.
#8 Jan 17 2004 at 4:32 PM Rating: Default
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I bought the guide a couple days after I got the game.
Its still good reading material when I need to take a sh*t =P.

I also use the beasiary to look for monsters elemntal weaknesses.
#9 Jan 17 2004 at 4:40 PM Rating: Good
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I liked their advice for killing the San D'Oria dragon.

Oh wait, there was none. They stop at the mission guide where spotter summons the dragon, then continue at the next paragraph with "when the dragon is defeated" No mention of the delevel, no mention of the cursing, and worst of all they don't tell you you should kill spotter first or he'll be casting on you nonstop as you fight the dragon.
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I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#10 Jan 17 2004 at 6:39 PM Rating: Default
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Is it just me or does the book seem to bash elves? Look in the Jobs section... It seems like the put Elves last on every thing! They go on to say that Humes look great in Pajamas and it'll be the best looking Ninja around but don't try it with an Elf oh nooooo it'll SUCK! Even though Elves were placed higher on some things they make the races under them out to say something like "this combination will be fun" or something to that effect! it seems like someone at Brady has a grudge against elves...

(Maybe an Elf ran off with his girlfriend back in highschool)
feh who knows

Edited, Sat Jan 17 18:41:25 2004 by Luong
#11 Jan 17 2004 at 8:18 PM Rating: Default
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I also bought the book when FFXI was released and I love it. I use it while I'm in game, I can't go online and look for who I am supposed to talk to about this mission/quest and find out where they are exactly. The charts for recipes are lacking yes, but the armor, weapons and magic chart is great. As with anything it isn't 100 percent perfect and it could use some fixing (especially the typos) but I can live with it. It was worth my $15.
#12 Jan 18 2004 at 4:48 AM Rating: Good
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BradyGames is obviously full of anti-Elvaan RACISTS. Smiley: mad

And they're not "elf"s, that's just a name-recognition ploy perpetuated by the company to put some familiarity into the race, and ride the LoTR popularity train to boost sales. The character race is based off of the "demon" types you see in some anime: note the very non-western-elf "akimbo" vs. "upward-swept" ears, the gigantic height, severe lack of magical ability and brute strength and wisdom obviously seeded from ancient-type-characters who would of course have no magical powers but be very wise and very strong.

"Elf". Bah!

/self-mockery on
And Frodo's hair color was two shades lighter in the movie. Smiley: bah

Edited, Sun Jan 18 05:06:07 2004 by Aitrus
#13 Jan 18 2004 at 7:32 AM Rating: Good
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BradyGames' Official Strategy Guide couldn't stay in stock for weeks at the release of the game because it was an excellent source of unique information.


It couldn't stay in stock because it was the only source of information. The manual was pathetic, and unless you knew Japanese at the NA launch, you were SOL with regards to figuring out anything within the game. I'll look up BradyGames the next time I want a half-assed, oversized coaster to put my coffee on. It's better to detail one part of the game perfectly, than all of it with missing and incorrect information. Honestly, you know the first half of the guide was written by an intern with a high school equivalency degree.
#14 Jan 18 2004 at 8:56 AM Rating: Default
I'm rather appalled at the lack of thought here. First off, BradyGames was only ALLOWED to post so much info, and that was low at first, yes. Square-enix vetto'ed out printing of numerous things, such as drops, boss startegies, and any equipment/skills gained past lvl 50. Don't gripe at them, gripe at S-E for not allowing them to print certain things.

Also, who cares, would you LIKE to have all the info handed to you on a silver platter? I rather like finding things out for myself, as I know others agree. I come here and look it up when I've become impatient or need some insight. Not to mention post personal info to some of you out their, like the AF thread. (which is already so backlogged it's a joke.)
#15 Jan 18 2004 at 9:16 AM Rating: Good
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would you LIKE to have all the info handed to you on a silver platter?


I believe thats what we bought it for.
#16 Jan 18 2004 at 11:49 AM Rating: Default
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The FF7 Guide by Brady Games is the finest Guide I've ever had the pleasure to read. To this day, it still makes good bathroom reading.
#17 Jan 18 2004 at 2:20 PM Rating: Decent
Actually I thought the guide was good. Keep in mind it is not designed for Uber players. The Strategy Guide (as most strat guides for MOG's) are designed for the newbie. It has nice Monsters per Zones charts. Newbie Quest information, Missions up through 3/3, a list of Jobs AND their roles in a group. It has newbie crafting recipes up through the 4th rank. It's not going to have "How to kill the Shadowlord in 3 easy steps!"

The guide isn't designed for us players who scower the Internet trying to find the most 1337 strategies to bet the best toon ever. It is designed for the more casual player, the ones that don't come to Fan Sites and Message Boards (believe it or not, not all players come to message boards)
#18 Jan 18 2004 at 3:32 PM Rating: Decent
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I believe thats what we bought it for.


Then you bought it for the wrong reason. I have yet to read a strategy guide (especially for an RPG) that gives you everything. Every BradyGames guide I've read (not all of them, but enough) has left out boss strats, story info, etc. Nobody can claim to be surprised at seeing the same thing again in this guide. As has been said, the guide has a nice bestiary and quick-reference skillchain chart, as well as a nice list of abilities and stats for each class. And who gives a crap if they are biased against Elvaan? The strat guide tries to throw a little role-playing in, to keep things from getting boring. Well worth my $9.99.
#19 Jan 18 2004 at 3:50 PM Rating: Default
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It couldn't stay in stock because it was the only source of information. ...unless you knew Japanese at the NA launch, you were SOL with regards to figuring out anything within the game.
Isn't that what I just said?

I also said:
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It's not meant for you... and it's not the end-all in information. But for $20 BradyGames released a spectacularly useful product in an undersaturated market of information.
BradyGames released a competent guide that was literally 100% better than anything else out there when the game came out. I think this thread needs a disclaimer:

DISCLAIMER: If you want to pick up the strat guide after having this or any complete online resources, don't. It's old and incomplete and you'll just get all pissy about it.
#20 Jan 18 2004 at 8:51 PM Rating: Good
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Luong wrote:
(Maybe an Elf ran off with his girlfriend back in highschool)
feh who knows
Edited, Sat Jan 17 18:41:25 2004 by Luong


Oh yeah, we Elvaan are known for that, we're all so dashing that the women can't keep their hands off of us...damn it's good being an Elvaan.

(^_^)

Edited, Sun Jan 18 20:52:01 2004 by Kipsy
#21 Jan 19 2004 at 7:59 AM Rating: Decent
Eh, we're not asking for them to have comprehensive drop lists, spells and abilities up to level 75, boss strategies, and uber-leet power-leveling strategies. All I ask is that when I pay $20 bucks for a supposed "strategy" guide, the information I pay for better be ******* correct. The "official" guide of FFXI, give me a ******* break. There should be a sticker that they put on this guide, "The Fall 2003 Version: Now with almost 65% correct information!"
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