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#1 Jan 16 2004 at 3:17 PM Rating: Decent
I want to be a theif but I heard it wouldnt be good for a newb, or whatever so I was thinking monk.. are they any good?
#2 Jan 16 2004 at 3:19 PM Rating: Decent
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Where you start kinda depends on where you want to go. What sort of advanced jobs are you looking at?
#3 Jan 16 2004 at 3:21 PM Rating: Decent
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if you're planning on playing an advanced job after you hit level 30, you may want to decide what you'll use for your subjob and pick that. Some jobs are more needed in parties, like white mages, and others tend to not really start to shine until after 30, like thieves. All are fairly equal though, and all are fun to play
#4 Jan 16 2004 at 3:22 PM Rating: Decent
I was thinking of thf/beastmaster or mnk/sam ??
#5 Jan 16 2004 at 3:23 PM Rating: Decent
I did wanna be a support character, I think that a WMG/Brd would rock as a Support Character..
#6 Jan 16 2004 at 3:25 PM Rating: Decent
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Bard doesn't make a particularly good support class really. You can't use any instruments, and you can apparently only have one song in effect instead of two. A bard/whm however is very useful to a party and tend to be more rare than whm's
#7 Jan 16 2004 at 3:28 PM Rating: Decent
hmmm.. Any suggestions on what I should be?
#8 Jan 16 2004 at 3:44 PM Rating: Decent
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well, all three of your choices so far include an advanced job, so pretty much narrow it down and chose from there.

thf/bst mnk/sam support(lets say brd/whm)

We'll pretend for now that you're just going for the most effective choices, I'm not really sure how mnk/sam works out, but brd/whm is extremely effective, like bard however beastmaster doesn't make a particularly useful sub. Basicly you won't be able to charm anything worth using as a pet, anything bigger will just attack you.

If you want to play thief I'd recomend a ninja as a subjob. Samurai is ok but really thieves are relatively fragile. If you put out a huge weaponskill without trick attack you're going to get stomped. Maybe others have tried both nin and sam at higher lvls and can provide some input.

Monk/sam seems like a decent combo, but as always sam becomes vastly more effective at lvl 30. So using it as a subjob before then may not be nearly as effective as others. Also, while monks have absurd hitpoints they tend to wear paper thin armor. With your hitpoints you'll be able to take quite a few hits, but if you tank too much its detrimental to the party as you end up a mana sink for the healers. Then they heal too much and get agro trying to keep you alive, monster comes after them....bad things happen. Personally at level 50 blm I'm not a huge fan of having a monk in the party. This may change at higher levels, I would much rather have another melee damage dealer (thief/ranger) a tank, or a rdm or bard instead. Its not that the monks don't contribute to the party, it just seems like other jobs do the same thing but better. Again this is from my perspective at my level, your mileage may vary.

Of course as a blm I simply adore bards and rdm's for their debuffing and refresh/mage ballad

Really you need to find a job you'll enjoy playing. The most effective jobs in the world will suck for you if you don't enjoy it. And to deal with the "you can play any job you want, not just the most powerful, as long as you hae fun!" crowd. Of course you can play whatever you want, go ahead and play the brd/drg, just realize you'll be putting yourself, and any party desperate enough to invite you at a disadvantage. There are TONS of very effective combinations out there, more than enough so that everyone should be able to find something they enjoy without putting themselves at a disadvantage
#9 Jan 16 2004 at 3:53 PM Rating: Decent
The range sounds fun as a sub job Don't they get to use bows?
Also the thf/nja sounds extremly fun to play as .. I was wandering if a Wmg/pal would be any good also... Can you get a basic job as a sub job also?
#10 Jan 16 2004 at 3:54 PM Rating: Decent
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And don't be afraid to start as a thief. It isn't just for high level players. Thief just has a few hard levels to get through from 12-14. After that you get Sneak Attack and Treasure Hunter at 15 life is easy again.

Just do some research on what roles different jobs play in a group to see if that style of play is going to be fun for you.

Pre-30 it is roughly like this:
Warrior: Tank (taking damage), secondary damage dealer
Monk: Damage dealer, secondary tank
Thief: Damage dealer, Treasure Hunter, (aggro control when you get trick attack at lvl 30)
Black Mage: Damage dealer, secondary debuffer
White Mage: Healer, secondary debuffer
Red Mage: Debuffer, secondary healer, secondary damage dealer
#11 Jan 16 2004 at 4:02 PM Rating: Decent
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yes you can use a base job for subjobs

Stay away from mixing melee and caster jobs. There are a few exceptions (bst/whm and MAYBE pal/whm) but other than that it doesn't really help you out much. Many bows are usable by jobs other than ranger, but your selection will be greatly reduced as well as your damage. I believe a lot of the high level bows are ranger only? I'm not sure.

If you're say war/rng you will only be able to use bows that wars can use, subjob plays no role in equipment selection
#12 Jan 16 2004 at 4:06 PM Rating: Default
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One weird theory that I found is don't try blm at the start of the game. BLM without a sub is a pain in the *** to lvl unless u got a group of friend who party together.

A few friend of mine and some LS members agreed that BLM without a sub is a bit harder to lvl compare to others since the blm can't heal, the hp sux, no mp boost, the skills point are most likely not maxed/blue... that means if you ran out of mp.. u have to cross ur finger that u don't miss the mob with ur weapon and hope you kill the mob first :)

Other basic jobs are pretty fine since they have a bit more hp, damage more, def is higher, or whm can heal a bit ...

But that's just my theory :) Some still have good time to start the game with a BLM.

#13 Jan 16 2004 at 4:13 PM Rating: Decent
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Rangers are easily the highest physical damage dealing job in the game. But on the flip side, they are also the most expensive job in the game. As, the quality of your arrows will directly effect the damage you deal. Therefore, you'll want to be using the most powerful (and also most expensive) arrows.

For starters, don't let anyone discourage you from choosing any job. Its your game, enjoy it however you want to! But do keep in mind that alot of people that have some experience under their belt may disagree with your choice. There are job combinations out there that are just meant to be! (And there is nothing that you can argue that will change that.)

The object is to find a job that suits you. I like tanking, so Paladin was the obvious choice for me. Seeing that Warrior was the only job to have the Provoke ability, it was my first job. Which nested perfectly as my sub job once i obtained the Paladin job.

Good luck!
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#14 Jan 16 2004 at 4:17 PM Rating: Decent
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I liked being a redmage, and it was pointed out to me that you get a pretty good immersion to both fighting and spellcasting, as well as being a great soloer at lower levels.
#15 Jan 16 2004 at 4:17 PM Rating: Decent
WEll I guess its time for me to go Job hunting then isnt it ?! lol


First stop Theif discussions..
#16 Jan 16 2004 at 4:22 PM Rating: Decent
I kinda liekd starting as RDM. You get the heal and damage spells. You also get to use weapons for more than decoration and armor. It's pretty cool and you have an opportunity to see what kind of character you'd like to play. It makes a good sub too even if ya want to go the thf route. You'll be able to debuff and cure which will be important after level ten for your thf. *dink dink* 2gil
#17 Jan 16 2004 at 4:41 PM Rating: Decent
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THF has three primary jobs.

1. Do damage: Sneak + Trick + Dancing Edge does more damage than black magic. Other characters do more overall damage than THF, but THF has the biggest single attacks. Don't let anyone tell you that THF "isn't a damage dealing class" because it is.

2. Keep hate on the tank: THF can do one that that nobody else can, he can do a mega damage attack and not take any hate for it. Sure RNG can dish out punishment like nobody else, but he can't point at PLD or WAR and say "it wasn't me, he did it!" THF can put so much hate on the tank that even a benediction won't distract it.

Pull in loot: Just by being there, you increase the drops.

You also get the ability to flee to zone and actually outrun mobs (you're faster than a chocobo for 30 seconds), steal from mobs and get drops that you don't have to share, and best of all, combine the two and jack loot off a T or IT mob and then flee to the zone Once you can steal gold beastcoins it becomes way more profitable than farming.

Being a THF is great, I've thought about RNG or NIN, but THF is just too fun and has too many perks for me to give up.

Edited, Fri Jan 16 16:46:37 2004 by Lobivopis
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I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#18 Jan 16 2004 at 4:46 PM Rating: Decent
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Jefu wrote:
Rangers are easily the highest physical damage dealing job in the game.


Not that easily... =)

DRK/THF or DRK/SAM do a lot of physical dmg too =)

Guillotine + Trick + Sneak is pretty sick...

so is Guillotine combined with Store TP
#19 Jan 16 2004 at 5:05 PM Rating: Decent
I know now that I'm gonna be a Theif but I dont think I should b worrying that much about a sub job till level 15.. right???
If I do get a sub job I really dont know what to get lmao..
#20 Jan 16 2004 at 5:18 PM Rating: Decent
Hey would a RDG be a good cub class for a Theif or would a NJA be better?
#21 Jan 16 2004 at 6:35 PM Rating: Decent
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If your main is Thief then you'll probably want a melee subclass, not a caster. Ninja is a very common, very effective sub for Thieves for the dual wield. So is Samurai for the TP boost. Dark Knight is also good for extra damage.

Also any of those above jobs with a Thief subclass would rock. Also a Dragoon/Thief is very effective.

What you should start thinking about is what job will you take to 18? Probably Thief it sounds.

Then what subclass you'll take to 14. Maybe Monk or Warrior but possibly Red Mage or White Mage.

At that point you'll be a lvl 18 Thief/???. You'll take that all the way to level 30. Then you can unlock some of the advanced jobs and decided if you want to make one of them your main or subjob.
#22 Jan 16 2004 at 6:52 PM Rating: Decent
Yeah i think im taking theif all the way and sub class will be ninja
I think its a crucial combonation but I heard that it is very expensive.
#23 Jan 16 2004 at 7:04 PM Rating: Decent
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Dragoon theif isn't as effective as one would hope, while true at 30+ you get sneak attack, and you get a nice DEX bonus, with WAR subbed you do more damage and get berserk. i tried both (I have a very long level 30) and Warrior Definatly came out on top as a better sub.

don't worry about a sub job or ADV job just yet, look at what you have in from of you, and see what you want to be. Do you want to be backup damage, a healer, nuking with spells? maybe tanking? if you;re undecided, I personally recommend RDM, as it gives you a little taste of everything.

Good luck with your job search.
#24 Jan 16 2004 at 7:05 PM Rating: Decent
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Beastmaster is the best character to level... so damn fast...
#25 Jan 16 2004 at 7:17 PM Rating: Decent
thanks for all the help, since I wanna be dmg and stuff I guess I'll be theif /warrior..
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