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I hear ya on most of that.

Remember that there are people that play straight through with warrior or whatever (white mage is another, instead of going back a 2nd time through common ground and being able to pick up more valuable experience...not just the number kind).

By near 20 with complete noobs like myself in a group, we have no idea what skill chains we can do, some recall certain ones that we used in other groups with more knowledgeable "this is my 3rd advanced calss I'm leveling to 30" kinda people (I love you guys ;_; you make my learning experience that much better). I can see that by 30 there's still going to be a lot of us noobs that don't know skill chains by heart or have a crib sheet (I'm STILL looking for one, which is actually the reason I came to the general boards, to look for a post).

But aggro-management, whether you're a caster or melee, should definitley be something you have gathered by that time. I can give people slack, and will; but if it gets the party killed after I've explained it I'll be fed up enough to voice my distaste for the players style in group chat instead of in a tell. Yes I'm a **** head, but its the way you have to be with people that don't comprehend aggro-management in these games, esp when it means that Taru White Mage is going to die from a single hit or two on the IT mob you're fighting.

Healing efficiently I'm not sure on, depends how much of a breeze your groups are. If they're effecient and kill things quick, you're only really healing to keep one person up, and I'd wager even a galka mana pool can manage that without a problem. The more danger you're in as a healer the better as far as learning experiences go.

All of the above is my opinion, you can disagree, but I'll never admit they're wrong without you proving it :p.

hehe yeah, thats exactly what I mean.

There was a mithra thief in the best group I'd ever been in a few days ago (still is the best) who had one, he said he'd gotten one from a faq on gamefaqs. Went there and the link in the faq is gone dead now :(. That's what I get for not picking up the game when it came out :p.

Anyway, if you do find it I would be much obliged ^^

For anybody else who may be looking for that thread...found it :)


and the link to the site



Adennak rocks :)

Just a quick note:

I'm leveling my WHM, and I came to realize one thing: if you think that, because my main is RDM, I'd have a pretty good handle on healing as a WHM, you'd be WRONG. The difference between WHM main-healer and RDM backup-healer is *astounding*, insofar as timing, pacing, and actually executing your responsibilities.

Just as an example, my RDM has fast-cast, and so I've come to expect that Cure2 takes X amount of time to cast. Unfortunately, my WHM does NOT have fast-cast. As a result, I was partially responsible for two deaths, last night, because my Cure2's went off late.

I'm not saying, "OMGOMG WAR IS SOOOO HRAD 2 PLAY!" But I am saying be careful before being too quick to judge. :)

Edited, Fri Jan 16 12:32:00 2004 by Sprits

I would definatly hope people would understand what their job is suppose to do before lvl 30.

Yesterday I invited a RDM to my party because I was practicing MNK.
The person had lvl 7 armor (he was lvl 11) lvl 7 weapons, and insisted on being a Melee/Nuker.
He was an Elvaan, so I knew that Nuking wasn't in his best interest, because of low INT, and low MP.

I tried to explain to him about enfeebling, but he only once tied to cast poison (the worst enfeeble spell he had) and he interupted it by moving.
The group split up not long later, but I hope people like him are more willing to learn than they appear, otherwise no one will want them.